What disc format could the next gen Xbox use?

Any rumors about it yet?

Could they bring back HD-DVD discs or possibly use Blu-Ray?

def blu ray next gen for next gen games is def gonna be needed they managed to get away with dvds this gen but anything other then blu ray wont fly for next gen.

It should use the organic brains of recently-dead scientists.

Although many people wrongly believe Sony own all the rights to Blu-Ray, the format is owned collectively by several companies... Considering Blu-Ray is quickly becoming standard, I would be surprised if they go with any other format.spazzx625

Yeah, what's with that...just go look at the BDA. Microsoft has so many potential allies in it.

HP, Dell, Hitachi, Philips and I think they own part of Sun Microsystems....only Apple could pose the most opposition.

Even Sony has to buy OS liscenses from Microsoft, so if Microsoft got denied, Sony would be in one hell of a tight noose for their computer branch:)

Microsoft just needs to work into improving the DVD format they're currently working with and then use Blu-Ray on their next system...unless by then we are overtaken by DLC entirely, which they have been moving toward, but that's unlikely.

And I think Toshiba is joining...considering Microsoft gave them as much backing as they could with HD-DVD, it's in the bag.

most likely bluray. Unless there is a new disk being developed or it all goes digital. But I dont think we are ready yet for all digital

the next xbox is supposed to be arround 2013, tbh id be surprized if it even had a disk drive the way all this direct to harddrive thing is goin. its happend to the psp why not a home console?

[QUOTE="spazzx625"]Although many people wrongly believe Sony own all the rights to Blu-Ray, the format is owned collectively by several companies... Considering Blu-Ray is quickly becoming standard, I would be surprised if they go with any other format.HavocV3

Yeah, what's with that...just go look at the BDA. Microsoft has so many potential allies in it.

HP, Dell, Hitachi, Philips and I think they own part of Sun Microsystems....only Apple could pose the most opposition.

Even Sony has to buy OS liscenses from Microsoft, so if Microsoft got denied, Sony would be in one hell of a tight noose for their computer branch:)

Microsoft just needs to work into improving the DVD format they're currently working with and then use Blu-Ray on their next system...unless by then we are overtaken by DLC entirely, which they have been moving toward, but that's unlikely.

true about connection speeds, most people have at least 2mb in there home now because is free with most tv packges. virgin media (if you have heard of them not sure how big a company they are) are testing 200mb cable speeds thats right 200!! i think the best you can get with cable atm is 50mb, and thats ment to be availble next year some time. it wouldnt surprise me if they upgraded the free 2mb speed to 8mb whitch would be enough for downloading games, as long as there were decent servers running at the time. most games on games on demand i think are about 8gb tops so a 500gb HDD would be ok which i think in 2013 would not be to extream to think of

blu ray

there is already talk of the 360 having a blu-ray drive for movies (only) in the future much like the hd dvd drive add on however for the next gen console we can just speculate. the next console will in my opinion have to have blu-ray simply because they will want to keep movie playing on the console ( although downloading will be the way to go. and the biggest reason is the 360 stuggles to fit its games on a standard dvd pgr 4 famously cut alot off content out and forza 3 is on 2 discs, also how many times do people say campaign way to short and the current disc size is the main problem causing this, im still very suprised that this is not a major topic

i dont care what they use just as long as the games are fun.

All games in the future will be like an online unlock code and you stream your games over live (screw ONLive)

But really probably Blu-Ray

there is already talk of the 360 having a blu-ray drive for movies (only) in the future much like the hd dvd drive add on however for the next gen console we can just speculate. the next console will in my opinion have to have blu-ray simply because they will want to keep movie playing on the console ( although downloading will be the way to go. and the biggest reason is the 360 stuggles to fit its games on a standard dvd pgr 4 famously cut alot off content out and forza 3 is on 2 discs, also how many times do people say campaign way to short and the current disc size is the main problem causing this, im still very suprised that this is not a major topic

sharkbiscuit79

most games on a single dual layer dvd comprise of less than 7 gigs of storage

a dual layer dvd has 8.5 gigs of storage space on it

now, im not saying blu-rays are useless in this situation, as i have never seen a blu-ray movie or have a player to play such a movie, so i have not seen their viewing quality, i belive they are overkill

25 gigs on a single layer?

the only game(that i can think of) that POSSIBLY needed that much space is Lost Odyssey...there are only a few other games currently available or that are awaiting release that need multiple discs(Forza 3, Final Fantasy XIII).

if they change formats to blu-ray, games are going to HAVE to have more content, i will guesstimate at least 15-20 gigs of storage needed

this will raise the cost of development, and producing blu-rays isnt cheap(maybe it is, idk)

so i predict that the next gen consoles and games are going to be EXTREMELY expensive, with games costing 70-80 dollars(american)

if they change formats to blu-ray, games are going to HAVE to have more content, i will guesstimate at least 15-20 gigs of storage needed

this will raise the cost of development, and producing blu-rays isnt cheap(maybe it is, idk)

so i predict that the next gen consoles and games are going to be EXTREMELY expensive, with games costing 70-80 dollars(american)

H_U_R_D

For one, $70-80 is not EXTREMELY expensive. I guess some people forget that SNES games used to cost a similar amount, and that was a while back, meaning that in today's money, it would be more like $100. Yet people still gladly payed.

And as usual, it wont be that games will have more content. Typically, larger storage space just means space for higher-quality content.

@seankane: i guess your right, but i dont know how much more quality we can squeeze out of the current engines and the like, i mean every generation gets better, but where is the peak? maybe were at it...i dont really see how it could get better with the hardware we currently have, or even might have in the future, especially keeping it affordable for all, which i dont think will happen

Who says it'll be Disk Based? Disks are impractical and take up too much realworld space, Downloads are the future with a service such as steam.

I am a huge supporter of Blu ray, and I hope Microsoft implements it in the future... I always laugh when i hear people say "I see no difference between a regular DVD and a Blu ray" I find 90% of the time these people have never even SEEN a blu-ray movie before.NOD_Grindking

Except we are talking about games, not movies. DVD9s can look equal to Blu Ray. Almost all multiplats look better on the 360 as they were developed on it.

Anyway, I think by then we will be beyond Blu Ray into the next disc based and download based products. It all depends if OnLive works well or not.

hopefully it wont be blue ray because that will make it much more expensive.st0kedout

By the time the next xbox comes around Blu-ray will be so common it won't be expensive. DVDs were expensive at first, now you can buy a dvd player for peanuts

I don't think they will do download games. I use download for computer only (full games not DLC). It works fine in some way and suck in many ways.

Not everyone have their system hook up to the internet. I know most do but not everyone. I know some that does not even have the internet. How will they get new games go to a public access?

Disks are so much easier to deal with than downloads you put the disk into the game and play it. Download you need to buy the game wait for hour(s) for it to download and then you need to wait every time you want to play so your system can log into the forced tracking system.

I only have 12 gig hard-drive. If this system is download only then I could be able to get one game on my system and then to change to a different game I paid for I would need to delete my current game and wait to get the new game. Now I just need to change disk which is much easier, faster, and nice.

Say goodbye to game rental (including gamefly) and used game stores like gamestop.

Whatever the disk format or what. I want a thing I can have, and also have the game makers a system that has easy time working with it. They could be they jump drives.

most games on a single dual layer dvd comprise of less than 7 gigs of storage

a dual layer dvd has 8.5 gigs of storage space on it

now, im not saying blu-rays are useless in this situation, as i have never seen a blu-ray movie or have a player to play such a movie, so i have not seen their viewing quality, i belive they are overkill

25 gigs on a single layer?

the only game(that i can think of) that POSSIBLY needed that much space is Lost Odyssey...there are only a few other games currently available or that are awaiting release that need multiple discs(Forza 3, Final Fantasy XIII).

if they change formats to blu-ray, games are going to HAVE to have more content, i will guesstimate at least 15-20 gigs of storage needed

this will raise the cost of development, and producing blu-rays isnt cheap(maybe it is, idk)

so i predict that the next gen consoles and games are going to be EXTREMELY expensive, with games costing 70-80 dollars(american)

H_U_R_D

agreed.

Think DVD is 9.4, but we already have games like GTA 4 putting in 50 hours of gameplay. (~25 just in campaign) on 6.5 gigs.

I think anything Blu-ray is about $10 more in production costs, or it's just movie companies taking advantage of us and not gaming companies.

There is also a blu-ray disc capable of 400 gb, but if we reach games past the 25 Gb (compressed games, pretty sure MGS4 isn't compressed much at all) then we'll be paying 70,80,90 dollars for a game. PS3 games were initially projected at $70 way back in 2005, but I think production costs came down just in time.

Nothing urgent yet, PC has put up with Game Installs for 20 years, we'll be fine for 3.

[QUOTE="H_U_R_D"]

most games on a single dual layer dvd comprise of less than 7 gigs of storage

a dual layer dvd has 8.5 gigs of storage space on it

now, im not saying blu-rays are useless in this situation, as i have never seen a blu-ray movie or have a player to play such a movie, so i have not seen their viewing quality, i belive they are overkill

25 gigs on a single layer?

the only game(that i can think of) that POSSIBLY needed that much space is Lost Odyssey...there are only a few other games currently available or that are awaiting release that need multiple discs(Forza 3, Final Fantasy XIII).

if they change formats to blu-ray, games are going to HAVE to have more content, i will guesstimate at least 15-20 gigs of storage needed

this will raise the cost of development, and producing blu-rays isnt cheap(maybe it is, idk)

so i predict that the next gen consoles and games are going to be EXTREMELY expensive, with games costing 70-80 dollars(american)

HavocV3

agreed.

Think DVD is 9.4, but we already have games like GTA 4 putting in 50 hours of gameplay. (~25 just in campaign) on 6.5 gigs.

I think anything Blu-ray is about $10 more in production costs, or it's just movie companies taking advantage of us and not gaming companies.

There is also a blu-ray disc capable of 400 gb, but if we reach games past the 25 Gb (compressed games, pretty sure MGS4 isn't compressed much at all) then we'll be paying 70,80,90 dollars for a game. PS3 games were initially projected at $70 way back in 2005, but I think production costs came down just in time.

Nothing urgent yet, PC has put up with Game Installs for 20 years, we'll be fine for 3.

MGS4 was on a dual layer BR disc. The total size was 48 gigs I think.

[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="H_U_R_D"]

most games on a single dual layer dvd comprise of less than 7 gigs of storage

a dual layer dvd has 8.5 gigs of storage space on it

now, im not saying blu-rays are useless in this situation, as i have never seen a blu-ray movie or have a player to play such a movie, so i have not seen their viewing quality, i belive they are overkill

25 gigs on a single layer?

the only game(that i can think of) that POSSIBLY needed that much space is Lost Odyssey...there are only a few other games currently available or that are awaiting release that need multiple discs(Forza 3, Final Fantasy XIII).

if they change formats to blu-ray, games are going to HAVE to have more content, i will guesstimate at least 15-20 gigs of storage needed

this will raise the cost of development, and producing blu-rays isnt cheap(maybe it is, idk)

so i predict that the next gen consoles and games are going to be EXTREMELY expensive, with games costing 70-80 dollars(american)

Ellimem

agreed.

Think DVD is 9.4, but we already have games like GTA 4 putting in 50 hours of gameplay. (~25 just in campaign) on 6.5 gigs.

I think anything Blu-ray is about $10 more in production costs, or it's just movie companies taking advantage of us and not gaming companies.

There is also a blu-ray disc capable of 400 gb, but if we reach games past the 25 Gb (compressed games, pretty sure MGS4 isn't compressed much at all) then we'll be paying 70,80,90 dollars for a game. PS3 games were initially projected at $70 way back in 2005, but I think production costs came down just in time.

Nothing urgent yet, PC has put up with Game Installs for 20 years, we'll be fine for 3.

MGS4 was on a dual layer BR disc. The total size was 48 gigs I think.

thats the only game made that will prolly take up that much space for a very long time

and the reason it was so large was in most part due to the cinematics, which if i am correct about half of the so called fourty eight gigs it took up on that disc, which i also find very hard to believe

Yeah I know MGS 4 was in the upper 40s, but I'm fairly sure plenty of it was uncompressed, to boost the quality as much as possible.

Plus a ton of it was cinematics anyways, don't know how that differs from gameplay in terms of data, but I'd assume that was most likely the uncompressed data, since cutscenes most often look best.

Think Heavenly Sword or whatever it is was 33 gb. Hardly know what it consists of and frankly I can't say I could care;)

For one, $70-80 is not EXTREMELY expensive. I guess some people forget that SNES games used to cost a similar amount, and that was a while back, meaning that in today's money, it would be more like $100. Yet people still gladly payed.

And as usual, it wont be that games will have more content. Typically, larger storage space just means space for higher-quality content.

@seankane: i guess your right, but i dont know how much more quality we can squeeze out of the current engines and the like, i mean every generation gets better, but where is the peak? maybe were at it...i dont really see how it could get better with the hardware we currently have, or even might have in the future, especially keeping it affordable for all, which i dont think will happen

H_U_R_D

For right now, no, BluRay is not some miracle media format that instantly means you're gonna get better games. I'm sure many PS3 developers have found it useful, but I doubt anybody is really taking full advantage of it at this point.

But given that we're still several years away from the next generation of consoles, I'd say that there's time for the technology to catch up to take better advantage of the large capacity that a BluRay offers.

I'm not interested in BluRay for my x-box.Since they introduced Movie streaming thru Netflix/Zune, it's the only way I want to watch a movie now. I can't go back.

most games on a single dual layer dvd comprise of less than 7 gigs of storage

a dual layer dvd has 8.5 gigs of storage space on it

now, im not saying blu-rays are useless in this situation, as i have never seen a blu-ray movie or have a player to play such a movie, so i have not seen their viewing quality, i belive they are overkill

25 gigs on a single layer?

the only game(that i can think of) that POSSIBLY needed that much space is Lost Odyssey...there are only a few other games currently available or that are awaiting release that need multiple discs(Forza 3, Final Fantasy XIII).

if they change formats to blu-ray, games are going to HAVE to have more content, i will guesstimate at least 15-20 gigs of storage needed

this will raise the cost of development, and producing blu-rays isnt cheap(maybe it is, idk)

so i predict that the next gen consoles and games are going to be EXTREMELY expensive, with games costing 70-80 dollars(american)

H_U_R_D

I would guess blueray. But blueray for gaming really hasn't blown me away. Yes there have been some nice looking games on blueray. But it hasn't had a wow factor for me.

I mean we have seen some great looking games on dvd-9

Blu Ray for movies. HD-DVD for games and combat piracy of those games.

Although many people wrongly believe Sony own all the rights to Blu-Ray, the format is owned collectively by several companies...spazzx625

And I think Toshiba is joining...considering Microsoft gave them as much backing as they could with HD-DVD, it's in the bag.

HavocV3

Blu Ray for movies. HD-DVD for games and combat piracy of those games.

pakman3000

prolly DVD again, they have found ways to use holographic technology and put 50Gb on a single DVD

[QUOTE="H_U_R_D"]

most games on a single dual layer dvd comprise of less than 7 gigs of storage

a dual layer dvd has 8.5 gigs of storage space on it

now, im not saying blu-rays are useless in this situation, as i have never seen a blu-ray movie or have a player to play such a movie, so i have not seen their viewing quality, i belive they are overkill

25 gigs on a single layer?

the only game(that i can think of) that POSSIBLY needed that much space is Lost Odyssey...there are only a few other games currently available or that are awaiting release that need multiple discs(Forza 3, Final Fantasy XIII).

if they change formats to blu-ray, games are going to HAVE to have more content, i will guesstimate at least 15-20 gigs of storage needed

this will raise the cost of development, and producing blu-rays isnt cheap(maybe it is, idk)

so i predict that the next gen consoles and games are going to be EXTREMELY expensive, with games costing 70-80 dollars(american)

spazzx625

i know most things are compressed on DVD's i didnt realize i had to point that out

and what is the point of having all that space, and not using it?

most games now take up the majority of a dual layer dvd, but if every sony game is on blu-ray, i doubt they are using all the space on it, especially the multiplatform games

haha to spite sony ms is going to go digital distribution only

Definitely Blu-Ray. Microsoft doesn't have experience creating new data storage formats. Also HD-DVD was there only chance against Sony's BRay.

Most likely bluray. They might also have a large digital distribution system of some sort.

If the next gen is disc based then I will personally go round to each developers house and attack them while they sleep :twisted:

[QUOTE="NOD_Grindking"]I am a huge supporter of Blu ray, and I hope Microsoft implements it in the future... I always laugh when i hear people say "I see no difference between a regular DVD and a Blu ray" I find 90% of the time these people have never even SEEN a blu-ray movie before.Ellimem

Except we are talking about games, not movies. DVD9s can look equal to Blu Ray. Almost all multiplats look better on the 360 as they were developed on it.

Anyway, I think by then we will be beyond Blu Ray into the next disc based and download based products. It all depends if OnLive works well or not.

Blu Ray seems pretty likely.