Crackdown 7.0 in OXM!!! (sticky please)

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#151 drj077
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Gamerankings.com = the true average = better indicator of a games' true score. 
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#152 JohnWinger
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[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="JohnWinger"]

[QUOTE="madcapper248"]The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
Nemme

7.0 is about right. I'm sure Gamespot will give it a 10. Considering they are biased to Microsoft.

And how is that?

He doesn't like it because his silly PS3 has no good games :(

The only console I own is an Xbox 360. The only console before that was the Original Xbox.

However I wasn't talking about that was I? I was talking about Gamespot's reviews and how they're biased.

Gears of War is a good game, but far from great. The muliplayer is okay for customs, but you can't ranked matches with friends which defeats the purpose of playing a Team-Based Multiplayer game.

The campaign has no story. The action and gameplay makes the game fun, but the campaign is short and leads to cliff-hanger ending.

The game doesn't deserve higher than a 9.0

As for Crackdown,

The gameplay is weak. Haven't we seen enough Grand Theft Auto wannabe games?

The graphics are that of Original Xbox.

Need I say more?

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#153 XL70
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I was talking about Gamespot's reviews and how they're biased.

Gears of War is a good game, but far from great. The muliplayer is okay for customs, but you can't ranked matches with friends which defeats the purpose of playing a Team-Based Multiplayer game.

The campaign has no story. The action and gameplay makes the game fun, but the campaign is short and leads to cliff-hanger ending.

The game doesn't deserve higher than a 9.0

JohnWinger
I can understand your reasoning about Gears of War, even if I don't agree. However, I don't really understand where you get the idea of GameSpot being biased to Microsoft came from? I really don't think it is biased.
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#154 JohnWinger
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I posted some links earlier to back my point.

Perfect Dark Zero was over-rated as well on its launch as Gears of War was.

Just wait and see....

I bet you Crackdown will get above an 8.0 on Gamespot, if not a 9.0+

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#155 XL70
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I bet you Crackdown will get above an 8.0 on Gamespot, if not a 9.0+

JohnWinger
So if Crackdown gets more than an 8 on GameSpot, it's biased?
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#156 Xshinobi
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[QUOTE="Kenshi_is_god"][QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]Whatever, Crackdown is lame, go spend 60$ for a Halo 3 beta.MickeyTheNinja
exactly thank you for proving that you just got owned

Not even, Crackdown is the worst game ive ever played. It wouldnt sell if it wasnt for the Halo 3 beta.

If Crackdown is the worst game you ever played. You havn't played many games.
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#157 unimpendium115
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Wow that mag sux, this game deserves more just for the demo alone.
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#158 joeychew
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i still getting it
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#159 dragonslayerssj
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this topic is amazing... its fun to see how most people in here like to argue about a game thats not out yet. Granted the demo is but still its only a demo. From what i have read this is mainly Gears VS Crackdown with a few other games thrown in. Everyone keeps saying "this game sucks" and then someone flames them. Then someone says " i liked the game" then they get flamed by the person that didnt like it who he had flamed earlier. Honeslty who cares what everyone thinks? can you honestly say you have gone out and bought a game just because someone said "hey that game was cool!"? Probably not. You most likely thought to yourself at one point and decided, and if by chance you did buy a game or whatever it may have been solely based on someone elses opinion then your an idiot thats all there is to it. People have to learn to think for themselves on here.

This topic should be stickied and it should be changed to "Babies that like to argue about games." This way if you have to say something then you can post your point and wait to be flamed by someone who doesnt agree.

Also its funny how if a game gets a 7 it is considered to be bad... Since when is 7 out of 10 bad? maybe if it got a 4 or 5 then yea thats bad. Its sad how if a game doesnt score a 9 or better its considered to be bad by most people.

Anyway to stay on topic i liked the demo and i thought it was fun. I liked the leveling system (wished there was a bit more to it) and i liked the gameplay. It was a good time. I will be buying it because I thought it was good.

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#160 BadHand
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It got a 9.0 in the UK OXM.
 
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#161 paradyme777
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I'll be getting it, I don't care what OXM scored it.  I had fun playing it and in my eyes that is all that matters.
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#162 XL70
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It got a 9.0 in the UK OXM.
BadHand
Even if you don't take into account the score it was given, the actual review was very positive, although it did mention longevity issues.
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#163 FooFighter145
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OXM also gave The Outpost 8.5...

Need I say more..

Still getting Crackdown

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#164 jonzilla_basic
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yikes
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#165 fore_runner
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OXM UK gave it a 9/10.
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#166 -ZeRoHouR-
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Yeah, and OXM gave Fight Night Round 3 a 10.  I like reading the magazine but I never take their reviews seriously.
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#167 Wallace_Green
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Iam still buying it b/c of the beta testing.
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#168 RabbidDawg
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The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
madcapper248


If the game really is this shallow then I will just can it, and cancel my preorder. All these great games that get hyped end up being short trips around the block for $60.00 and they are not worth it:( Just like Gears, it selling,on visuals alone, the multiplayer is crap and has 3 lousy modes, and the story and gameplay are shallow...why? Disc limitations maybe?

All these pretty textures, details and environments, and theres no room left for great gameplay? Ive said it a million time, I love my 360 but I think media limitations ie disc space will be a problem for MS eventually, god I hope Halo 3 and Fable 2 arent victims of the "Pretty graphics lame gameplay" issue:( Those games are the main reason Ive stuck by MS this gen, even though Ive had 6 system failures:( Oh and Im sure as hell not goign to buy this game just because of the Halo 3 Beta...no demo is worth that much:lol:
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#169 XL70
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If the game really is this shallow then I will just can it, and cancel my preorder. All these great games that get hyped end up being short trips around the block for $60.00 and they are not worth it:( Just like Gears, it selling,on visuals alone, the multiplayer is crap and has 3 lousy modes, and the story and gameplay are shallow...why? Disc limitations maybe?RabbidDawg
There is no way you can blame poor storytelling on disc storage space limitations! Stories are only limited by the imagination of the writers/creators.
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#170 -ZeRoHouR-
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[QUOTE="madcapper248"]The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
RabbidDawg


If the game really is this shallow then I will just can it, and cancel my preorder. All these great games that get hyped end up being short trips around the block for $60.00 and they are not worth it:( Just like Gears, it selling,on visuals alone, the multiplayer is crap and has 3 lousy modes, and the story and gameplay are shallow...why? Disc limitations maybe?

All these pretty textures, details and environments, and theres no room left for great gameplay? Ive said it a million time, I love my 360 but I think media limitations ie disc space will be a problem for MS eventually, god I hope Halo 3 and Fable 2 arent victims of the "Pretty graphics lame gameplay" issue:(



I agree with you there.  I know somebody will flame me for saying this but it is true that GeoW is selling mainly because of the graphics alone.  I know a ton of people who don't really play a lot of games and once they saw the awesome visuals, that's all they talk about.  I never hear them talk about how fun the game is or anything, just the graphics. 
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I'll be getting it, I don't care what OXM scored it. I had fun playing it and in my eyes that is all that matters.paradyme777


Exactly, who cares about what some 40 year-old reviewer thinks?
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#172 -ZeRoHouR-
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[QUOTE="paradyme777"]I'll be getting it, I don't care what OXM scored it. I had fun playing it and in my eyes that is all that matters.Aaron89


Exactly, who cares about what some 40 year-old reviewer thinks?



Well, the thing with reviews are to give you a general idea of how the game actually is.  They are just someone's own opinion and everyone does have biased opinions towards certain game genres but it's up the each individual to judge if it's the game for them or not.
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#173 redhawk360
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i think crack down will be great while it last and it would be possible for them to release new missions, islands, abilitys over xbl id give it an 8.8

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#174 chansaet
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See I knew people were just saying how great the game was just so they can feel good about spending $60 for Halo 3 beta.
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#175 -ZeRoHouR-
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See I knew people were just saying how great the game was just so they can feel good about spending $60 for Halo 3 beta.chansaet


Am I the only person who think's it is stupid to get worked up over a Halo 3 beta??? 
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#176 XL70
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See I knew people were just saying how great the game was just so they can feel good about spending $60 for Halo 3 beta.chansaet
No, I couldn't care less about the Halo 3 beta. I would buy the game without the beta.
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#177 deactivated-5f033ecf40fed
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[QUOTE="madcapper248"]The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
JohnWinger

7.0 is about right. I'm sure Gamespot will give it a 10. Considering they are biased to Microsoft.

They aren't biased towards microsoft, the 360 is just a great platform.
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#178 deactivated-5f033ecf40fed
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I agree with you there. I know somebody will flame me for saying this but it is true that GeoW is selling mainly because of the graphics alone. I know a ton of people who don't really play a lot of games and once they saw the awesome visuals, that's all they talk about. I never hear them talk about how fun the game is or anything, just the graphics.
-ZeRoHouR-
The game is fun, and I love the multiplayer, happy now? Anyway, it's already gotten 9/10 from two other reviewers so we'll just have to wait and see.
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#179 Aaron89
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[QUOTE="Aaron89"][QUOTE="paradyme777"]I'll be getting it, I don't care what OXM scored it. I had fun playing it and in my eyes that is all that matters.-ZeRoHouR-


Exactly, who cares about what some 40 year-old reviewer thinks?



Well, the thing with reviews are to give you a general idea of how the game actually is. They are just someone's own opinion and everyone does have biased opinions towards certain game genres but it's up the each individual to judge if it's the game for them or not.



...which is why reviews are useless...

I'll admit, I read them also. But just seeing one person rate Oblivion a 1.0 and another 10.0, makes me wonder why I even bother. Rent/try the game - and judge.


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#180 -ZeRoHouR-
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[QUOTE="-ZeRoHouR-"]I agree with you there. I know somebody will flame me for saying this but it is true that GeoW is selling mainly because of the graphics alone. I know a ton of people who don't really play a lot of games and once they saw the awesome visuals, that's all they talk about. I never hear them talk about how fun the game is or anything, just the graphics.
The_Fell_One
The game is fun, and I love the multiplayer, happy now? Anyway, it's already gotten 9/10 from two other reviewers so we'll just have to wait and see.



That's your opinion and your entitled towards it but it is pretty much true that without the amazing graphics, it's just another shooter (you could say that about a lot of shooters though.) The graphics are a showcase (not saying this is bad at all) and I know a lot of people are buying it just on graphics alone.
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#181 daniel52587
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No that games sucks. GTA:SA is way better than that, and its cheaper.
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#182 XL70
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No that games sucks. daniel52587
You have it already? Well, if you don't want it, can you send it to me please?
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#183 marsslayer
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Well i live this game i would give it a 8.5 its not perfect but im getting it for the online play with makes it good. And who gives a crap what people say if you like it, you like it if you hate it, you hate it. so shut up and lets stop fighting like children. is that ok ?
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#184 limpbizkit818
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[QUOTE="Nemme"][QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="JohnWinger"]

[QUOTE="madcapper248"]Haven't we seen enough Grand Theft Auto wannabe games?

The graphics are that of Original Xbox.

Need I say more?

JohnWinger

This game is nothing like GTA. I don't understand how people can even think that every open-world game is like GTA. Xbox could not handle this game. You simply dis-like the graphics style. Again, your invalided points about Gamespot being biased make no sense. I guess they should start making bad games for the 360 so the system gets more lower scoring games. As for some of the other people that posted here, I guess every game you have is a AAA game because apparently anything less is a flop and not worth playing.
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#185 cvasquez311
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[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]

No...its because it's a stupid game...how can't everyone see that?

EDIT: No one should be playing this game going "Oh was awwwesome! That was sooo cool! Look I just threw a car, sweeet!"

limpbizkit818
No one should play Halo and say "Oh awwwwwwesome! I killed an Alien!" nor should they say "Oh awwwwwwesome I ran over a person!" while playing GTA. Its all opinions!

dude fact is you like a crappy microsoft game, get over it.
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#186 cvasquez311
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[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]

No...its because it's a stupid game...how can't everyone see that?

EDIT: No one should be playing this game going "Oh was awwwesome! That was sooo cool! Look I just threw a car, sweeet!"

limpbizkit818
No one should play Halo and say "Oh awwwwwwesome! I killed an Alien!" nor should they say "Oh awwwwwwesome I ran over a person!" while playing GTA. Its all opinions!

dude fact is you like a crappy microsoft game, get over it.
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#187 DemonX_portugal
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The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
madcapper248
lol i was expecting a 8...
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#188 polsci1503
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I didn't really like the demo too much... and if the reviews aren't so hot I'll probably pass on this one...
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#189 The_One_White
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Didn't get 9 or at least in the British one it did
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#190 MickeyTheNinja
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[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="amapi"]

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]Crackdown is lame, people are paying 60$ for a Halo 3 beta, who is seriously hyped for Crackdown? No one should be atleast...amapi

I really don't think you quite grasp the definition of opinion. And instead of talking rubbish stating it like its fact...why don't you stop making yourself look like an immature little kid and grow up.

Because Crackdown sucks in my opinion and you suck in my opinion. Oh yeah Crackdown is lame and so is your post go buy the game and play the Halo 3 beta all night long. Cause that WILL be the first thing you put in your 360. Don't deny it. That right there is a fact.

Dude are you 12 years old or something? You're incredibly immature and your posts continue to make you look even more idiotic.

You've only just said its your "opinion" yet you never actually mentioned IMO or anything like that, I suck ? Grow up or do something I can't even argue or take you serious right now.

I'll be buying Crackdown for Crackdown. The Halo 3 beta is just a bonus for me, and that right there is a fact. You've got some serious issues...

You have no clue what a good game is if youre buying Crackdown. Get that supid lame game and play the Halo 3 beta, that is what youll be doing. Stop denying it, youll never play Crackdown. I bet when you heard about the Halo 3 beta with the game you were all like "Awwwesssoome now I need my mom to buy the game for me so I can play Halo 3 with all my friends on Xbox live" oh yeah and add a 10 year olds high pitched voice in there. God you suck....
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#191 MickeyTheNinja
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[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="Kenshi_is_god"][QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]Whatever, Crackdown is lame, go spend 60$ for a Halo 3 beta.anime-2k3
exactly thank you for proving that you just got owned

Not even, Crackdown is the worst game ive ever played. It wouldnt sell if it wasnt for the Halo 3 beta.

If Crackdown is the worst game you ever played. You havn't played many games.

Or it means I don't play crappy games. I downloaded the game dispite the incedibly corny and kiddy gameplay videos I saw and how many people said it sucked. I wanted to try it out for myself and guess what, it was corny and everything thing looked kiddy (wow they have guns and blood, still looks like a cartoon) and the gameplay felt like GTA which was not good IMO. Leave GTA feeling gameplay to Rockstar.
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#192 gruntkiller1
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[QUOTE="JohnWinger"]

[QUOTE="madcapper248"]The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
limpbizkit818

7.0 is about right. I'm sure Gamespot will give it a 10. Considering they are biased to Microsoft.

And how is that?

Especially considering OXM gave Gears (a Microsoft Game Studios game) a 10, and Gamespot gave it a 9.6 (I think it should have been at least a 9.8 if not 9.9!)

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#193 cuffyone
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I liked the crackdown demo.And yeah it bites of off gta,just like halo bites of off every fps before it.Thats why we use the term genre to categorize game types.

Im going to buy crackdown and give the halo 3 beta away.Thats right i said it.I never cared for halo.But hey thats just my opinion.

I also think its kind of ridiculous to pay 60 bucks for a beta.Its like paying full theater admission just to watch a trailer.  
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#194 limpbizkit818
Member since 2004 • 15044 Posts
[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"][QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]

No...its because it's a stupid game...how can't everyone see that?

EDIT: No one should be playing this game going "Oh was awwwesome! That was sooo cool! Look I just threw a car, sweeet!"

cvasquez311
No one should play Halo and say "Oh awwwwwwesome! I killed an Alien!" nor should they say "Oh awwwwwwesome I ran over a person!" while playing GTA. Its all opinions!

dude fact is you like a crappy microsoft game, get over it.

Dude face it you play cheap, cash crop EA sports games. Get over it! It goes both ways. Because you don't like it doesn't mean everyone has to dislike it. Have you learned nothing from this thread!?
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#195 Spartan90
Member since 2004 • 1450 Posts
you cant be serious...this game cannot get a 7.0...its impossible, if it infact did though, idc...i love it...
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#196 limpbizkit818
Member since 2004 • 15044 Posts
[QUOTE="amapi"][QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"][QUOTE="amapi"]

[QUOTE="MickeyTheNinja"]Crackdown is lame, people are paying 60$ for a Halo 3 beta, who is seriously hyped for Crackdown? No one should be atleast...MickeyTheNinja

I really don't think you quite grasp the definition of opinion. And instead of talking rubbish stating it like its fact...why don't you stop making yourself look like an immature little kid and grow up.

Because Crackdown sucks in my opinion and you suck in my opinion. Oh yeah Crackdown is lame and so is your post go buy the game and play the Halo 3 beta all night long. Cause that WILL be the first thing you put in your 360. Don't deny it. That right there is a fact.

Dude are you 12 years old or something? You're incredibly immature and your posts continue to make you look even more idiotic.

You've only just said its your "opinion" yet you never actually mentioned IMO or anything like that, I suck ? Grow up or do something I can't even argue or take you serious right now.

I'll be buying Crackdown for Crackdown. The Halo 3 beta is just a bonus for me, and that right there is a fact. You've got some serious issues...

You have no clue what a good game is if youre buying Crackdown. Get that supid lame game and play the Halo 3 beta, that is what youll be doing. Stop denying it, youll never play Crackdown. I bet when you heard about the Halo 3 beta with the game you were all like "Awwwesssoome now I need my mom to buy the game for me so I can play Halo 3 with all my friends on Xbox live" oh yeah and add a 10 year olds high pitched voice in there. God you suck....

I bet I didn't decide to buy the game for the Halo 3 beta. What next, you going to call me a lair? Your right, you know the reasons I am buying the game better then I do. BTW nice comeback, he calls you a kid and you call him one right back :lol:

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#197 Dlacy13g
Member since 2003 • 361 Posts

The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
madcapper248

All I gotta ask is what issue are you refering to?  Because other than the OXM UK, there has been NO rating of this game.  I even went to the OXM forums and saw threads posted asking who would be reviewing this game...NOTHING, I REPEAT NOTHING...was posted that talked about a review they gave. 

Game rankings has 2 reviews posted up so far...

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/930144.asp

Avg ratio is ......90%.  9/10 from OXM UK, and 4.5 from GamePro who typically scores the 360 low imo.

So....I call bullocks on this supposed review of yours.   Proof...that is all I ask for.

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#198 gellis1981
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[QUOTE="madcapper248"]The newest issue of OXM has a review for Crackdown and in it they said that it's main drawback is its lack of side missions. The 21 gang bosses and lieutenants can be beat in about 12 hours. After that, there's not much to do but scrounge for achievement points. "Are you paying 60 bones for Spartan testing time, or is Crackdown actually a worthy game on its own merits? The anser, it turns out, lies somewhere in between."
JohnWinger

7.0 is about right. I'm sure Gamespot will give it a 10. Considering they are biased to Microsoft.

If that was the case..then we just suffered from 5 years of biased from GS towards the PS2..just face it, the 360 just has more and better titles than the PS3 and Wii..thats why there's more exposure for the 360. I loved the demo...what worries me about rating is.. was it the full game OXM played or the demo??..it's alittle too early to rate a game considering that the release date is over three weeks away.

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#199 maxpsp
Member since 2006 • 387 Posts
IMO even the achievements in Crackdown seem pretty simple to get based on the trailer I just watched. I still think it's a good game but maybe only worth a rental or even a used copy somewhere down the road.
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#200 maxpsp
Member since 2006 • 387 Posts
Didn't get 9 or at least in the British one it didThe_One_White
That's after the conversion rate, it's still a 7.0!!!