Xbox One X vs. Your computer?

@whalefish82 said:

@SecretPolice said:

That poll. lolol

My next B-Day I'm gonna wish for just one day system warriors can't lie. :P

Why would people lie about their rigs? This is a gaming forum, so just the place where you'd find PC owners that have powerful systems.

Sure a tiny number but most are cows or your ever present MS/Xbox anti-fans on GS SW that you can always tell they're lying when you see they're lips move, erm, I mean posting/voting in polls about anything that put's MS/Xbox in good light. . lol :P

@ronvalencia said:

@aroxx_ab said:

@ronvalencia said:

@_Matt_ said:

I built my pc in 2013... But it's still more powerful than the xbox one x:

2x gtx 780 in sli (oc to some degree)

Intel i7 3930k (hexacore, again oc to an extent)

32gb Ram

512gb ssd

2x2tb hdd

X1X will beat your 780 SLI.

X1X has 1920x1080p with 60 fps and near EPIC settings.

Your 780 SLI wouldn't do 4K/60 fps Ultra in Forza M6

XBox X cant play Destiny 2 in 1080p/60fps, even if the hardware maybe could Xbox getting held back from devs and/or parity...PC dont have that problem so yeah his PC from 2013 is better.

Arc Survival Evolved is an open world game and it's 60 fps on X1X.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ark-survival-evolved-xbox-one-getting-two-player-l/1100-6433137/

Players can use a second Xbox One to host their own 50-plus player server. Of course, you'll need to have a second Xbox One for this

Yeah that is cool, but the thing is you cant take 1080p/60fps for granted on XboXX, with PC you can.

My PC wins.

Spec's:

• Intel Core i5 4670K - 4.0Ghz with a TX3 with two Gelid 92mm Fans
• Corsair Vengence DDR3 2x 4GB 1600Mhz
• MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X - 1912Mhz cc and 9006Mhz mc
• Samsung 840 250GB SSD + Seagate Barracuda 500GB HDD
• OCZ 750w Bronze PSU Semi Modular

With the overclock and my system sits comfortably at around 0.5-0.6 Teraflops faster than the X1X.

My new build which is going to be made when new Nvidia cards drop will probably hit the 8-9 Teraflop mark, whatever the GTX 2070 will be along with 16GB DDR4, 500GB m.2 SSD and a AMD 1700 CPU or Intel i7 7800.

How do you even know what the Terflop measure for your graphics card is? Any site info is based on factory settings of a given model. What utility program can give you a reading on that? It sure isn't found in Afterburner or GPU-Z. ?

@SecretPolice said:

@whalefish82 said:

@SecretPolice said:

That poll. lolol

My next B-Day I'm gonna wish for just one day system warriors can't lie. :P

Why would people lie about their rigs? This is a gaming forum, so just the place where you'd find PC owners that have powerful systems.

Sure a tiny number but most are cows or your ever present MS/Xbox anti-fans on GS SW that you can always tell they're lying when you see they're lips move, erm, I mean posting/voting in polls about anything that put's MS/Xbox in good light. . lol :P

Have you never noticed that anytime PC gets added to a poll in system wars it wins by a country mile? There's a reason for that and it doesn't matter if it's pitted against any console individually or against all of them.

@AdobeArtist: cuda cores/shaders * core clock * instructions per cycle = flops

as an example I'll use my 1080ti which at factory settings has 1683core clock, 3584 cuda cores and does 2 instructions per cycle giving us -> 3584 * 1683 * 2 = 12,1tflops

pumping the core over 2 leads us to over 13tflops, but the frequency changes as the nvidia boost clock is dynamic by nature

Any TFLOPS increase must include memory bandwidth increase.

At 1912 Mhz, your GTX 1070 has about 7.3 TFLOPS with about 288 GB/s memory bandwidth. Can you run Forza 6 nurburgring wet track at ultra settings 4K without dipping below 60 fps?

My old MSI GTX 980 Ti has factory over clock boost mode with 7.7 TFLOPS and 337 GB/s memory bandwidth. I have overclocked my MSI GTX 980 Ti to 1.4 Ghz for 8 TFLOPS.

AMD's Polaris IP has additional feature that GP104 doesn't have i.e double subword FP16 processing.

You can definitely know what your cards clock speed is from local telemetry, and the number of Cuda cores from site info. But from where/how do you determine the IPC of your card? This isn't exactly advertised specs on the box or the site - for GPU and CPU alike.

OP, you do realize that your GPU has GDDR5 RAM on it right? The bandwidth of your RAM is not a bottleneck because your GPU never touches it, unlike the Xbox One X which has a single pool of RAM thus making slower RAM a bottleneck.

Anyways my PC melts the Xbox One X. GTX 1080 slightly overclocked, i7 6770k @ 4.6 gHZ, 32 gbs GDDR4 3200 RAM, and games installed on my 1 TB Samsung 850 Evo SSD.

Ron, no one cares

@AdobeArtist: This explains it pretty well as there's no super simple way:

The IPC refers to a single multiprocessor.

An instruction is considered per-warp, so 32 threads.

So an instruction means 32 operations.

The "Instructions-Per-Cycle" definition is a bit misleading.

Cycle in this definition is related to the clock of warp schedulers

(that's equal to two clock cycles executed by the CUDA cores, in c.c. 2.0).

c.c. 2.0 has 2 warp schedulers single-issue, so IPC is 2.

Each of these 2 warps is executed in 2 core clock cycles.

So each SM can provide a throughput of (16 + 16) operations per core clock cycle

(that's the clock considered in section 5.4.1).

shamelessly stolen from nvidia dev forums

Don't get involve then.

your techno babble isn't going to change his specs or prove anything. Neither is continually spamming the term FP16

Are you nuts? OP's 970 is a gimp Maxwell GPU with 3.5 GB and 0.5 GB bottleneck.

GTX 970 is inferior with both ARC Survival and Forza M6 results when compared to X1X.

Could barely understand that, so I'll just redirect my question; is it safe to say any GTX card from the 10 series as far bask as, say 700 has an IPC of 2? And what about AMD cards from the RX 500, 400 and R9 series?

@AdobeArtist: yes and even older than r9

@Wasdie: No honestly I don't have a deep understanding of components I just plug stuff in and hope it works.

I am willing to bet though my rig would not do fm6 nurburgring wet track ultra settings 4k at 60fps.

Except you don't debate. you just spam incoherent babble and charts, or resort to first grade level insults

The only thing your posts are actually good for is giving my scroll wheel a work out

My shortcut for estimating TFLOPS FP32 on NVidia Maxwell and Pascal GPUs.

Using my GTX 1080 Ti as an example.

GTX 1080 Ti has 3584 stream processors for FP32

Math,

3584 / 64 = 56 CU (normalized to AMD's 64 stream processors per CU). For NV Maxwell/Pascal, each SM has 128 stream processors while AMD's CU has 64 stream processors.

56 CU x 1800 Mhz x 0.128 = 12.9 TFLOPS.

GP100 Pascal's SM has 64 stream processors FP32 hence identical to AMD's CU with 64 stream processors FP32

And I'll be willing to bet that the "ultra" setting on the PC are going to be completely different than the ones on the Xbox One X.

Sisoft Sandra Lite can tell you anything you want to know about your PC, it's a marvellous tool :) (probably need to view in a new tab to be able to read it)

PC's ultra settings is a moving target.

There are certain NVidia effects that needs Feature Level 12_1. It's unknown if X1X has FL 12_1.

I don't have Forza 6... Only Forza I have on PC is Horizon 3 and I primarily play that with my projector at 1080p 60hz, that being said when I run it at 4K on my monitor it doesn't miss a beat at Ultra.

You started the personality war and I will continue it. Your post is garbage.

When Shader Model 6.0 lands, it's Pascal GPUs will suffer. Expect another Async gimping from MS/AMD.

Maxwell is Kepler with better stream processor vs register storage ratio issue fixed.

Pascal is Maxwell with Async issue fixed.

Volta is Pascal with FP16 issue fixed.

DSR feature should be able to work on 1080p screens.

I have a 4K monitor.

I don't have Forza 6.

Also... What's all this nonsense?... Is a GTX 1070 at 7+ Tflops not better than a X1X?

I was referring to this

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-forza-motorsport-on-project-scorpio-the-full-story

Sorry if that wasn't clear. I will test it on my own rig when I get a chance.

In the article:

Clearly, there's still a large amount of GPU overhead left over on Scorpio, so where can the engine be taken from there? Turn 10 is still working on this, but the quality settings from Forza Motorsport 6 Apex on PC can be fully invoked on Scorpio. Turn 10 literally ramped up everything to ultra and it just worked, with the game retaining a 4K60 performance level.

If you're going to spout gobbledygook, at least give me some charts to look at. Otherwise, move along with your garbage posts

1. DSR feature should work on your 1080p projector.

2. Minus a few tracks, Forza M6 is free-to-play game.

3. GP104 is missing a few features for the incoming Shader Model 6. Atm, your GTX 1070 at ~7.3 TFLOPS is better than X1X.

Eat it.

@Chart Garfunkel, aka ronvalencia.

You didn't reply to my post and I'm still curious. Throughout this thread, you've repeatedly questioned PC owners if they can play Forza and Arc at the level of the One X. Do you genuinely believe that these two particular games represent an accurate approximation of the power of this console, in comparison with a similarly specced PC?

Well they are games. I'm curious now since this has been his schtick for awhile. I'm installing Forza 6 Apex. It looks like it's taking forever though on the Windows store. :(

My pc can barely run half life 2. My pc is a youtube box thats it. I could care less about upgrading it. I'm perfectly fine with buying consoles.

Both Forza M6's wet track alpha effects and ARC Survival Evolved's deferred render Unreal Engine 4 hammers Pixel Engine path. This is well known design weakness on current AMD GPUs. MS selected Forza wet track to show thier X1X's GPU is not another GCN with a designed flaw.

You haven't considered on why AMD is pushing developers towards compute and async compute rendering path?

NVIDIA Gameworks shader programs near zero considerations for AMD's design weakness on current AMD GPUs.

Software optimization can NOT solve alpha effects performance problems when it's being run on the fuking Pixel Engines.

MS selected Forza wet track with heavy alpha effects to fuk-up AMD's current GPUs and to show X1X doesn't sport yet another AMD GPU with a design flaw. Actually, 60 graphics pipeline changes was applied on X1X's GPU. That's 60 design flaw issues on AMD GPUs.

My 2014 PC wins and my current PC with a 1080ti eats up even two Xbox One X's.

A R9 285 is better than the PS4 PRO.

Haha, I wish you didn't quote me because it's highlighted my slightly drunken thread thread sentence.

@ronvalencia: Ok, can you translate that into English now please? What I gathered is that the One X will perform better across the board compared with an i5, GTX 1070 level PC, right?

Take the middle-ground.

As long the CPU is not the major bottleneck factor (e.g. delivering the require physics/AI 30 or 60 hz update rates), X1X is like reference GTX 1070.

Intel Ivy-bridge i5 still has the edge for PC's game design considerations i.e. higher physics/AI CPU load games.

@ronvalencia said:

@drlostrib said:

@ronvalencia said:

@drlostrib said:

@ronvalencia said:

Your last post is garbage. You are dumb and stupid. IF you want to debate, you better know your subject matter.

Except you don't debate. you just spam incoherent babble and charts, or resort to first grade level insults

The only thing your posts are actually good for is giving my scroll wheel a work out

You started the personality war and I will continue it. Your post is garbage.

When Shader Model 6.0 lands, it's Pascal GPUs will suffer. Expect another Async gimping from MS/AMD.

Maxwell is Kepler with better stream processor vs register storage ratio issue fixed.

Pascal is Maxwell with Async issue fixed.

Volta is Pascal with FP16 issue fixed.

If you're going to spout gobbledygook, at least give me some charts to look at. Otherwise, move along with your garbage posts

Eat it.

I said charts, but I guess this will just have to do

I'm sure you'll do better next time

it's more powerful than xbox x but not by a whole lot(in gpu power at least)

waiting for that 12Tera flop vega....

Ok, well we basically agree. Forza and Arc may perform better than our hypothetical GTX 1070 rig, but it doesn't necessarily mean all titles will superior on the One X. It'll depend on various factors, such as how CPU dependent a game is.

I have an I7 4770k and a GTX970, so the Scorpio wins. But, I'll do a GPU upgrade later on.

My argument has nothing do with X1X being superior to GTX 1070.

the x is doa

@GarGx1 said:

@SecretPolice said:

@whalefish82 said:

@SecretPolice said:

That poll. lolol

My next B-Day I'm gonna wish for just one day system warriors can't lie. :P

Why would people lie about their rigs? This is a gaming forum, so just the place where you'd find PC owners that have powerful systems.

Sure a tiny number but most are cows or your ever present MS/Xbox anti-fans on GS SW that you can always tell they're lying when you see they're lips move, erm, I mean posting/voting in polls about anything that put's MS/Xbox in good light. . lol :P

Have you never noticed that anytime PC gets added to a poll in system wars it wins by a country mile? There's a reason for that and it doesn't matter if it's pitted against any console individually or against all of them.

I don't even.....?

Suffice to say people lie all the time and when it comes to SW polls, lololololol They have absolute Zero cred and nothing of value can be ascertained. Eh, but C'mon, you already knew that. :P

The angle to your posts in this thread has been: when people posted their PC details and speculated whether their rig was better than a One X or not, you kept asking whether they could run Forza and Arc at similar settings. It takes a 1070 level system to have a chance of achieving that in these particular games.

I've obviously completely misconstrued your points because, to me, it seemed you were alluding that, if you can't reach this specific goal then your PC is not as good as the One X. My main point was that I don't think you can make an accurate comparison between the platforms based on two game examples, regardless of the technical knowledge you possess on the subject.

@undefined: Xbox One X is easily more powerful than most of the so called PC gamers here.

PC wins handily even with a slightly aged i7 3770K. My rig:

Mastercase 5

CPU: i7 3770K @4.2GHZ (Lost the silicon lottery)

RAM: 16GB of Corsair Vengeance memory 1333

GPU: Asus Strix 1080TI

Mobo: Gigabyte something or other. It works not near my stuff to tell you.