With the XB1 reaching 1080p parity with the PS4...

Yeah you fu**ing idiot the PS4 has move engines they are call DMA and are place on the fu**ing GPU,all AMD GCN have them,the xbox one just have 4 the PS4 has 2,just like the PS4 has 8 Aces and 64 commands and the xbox one has 2 Aces 16 commands,but i guess you didn't see that.

Just like the PS4 has a hardware encoder decoder,and just like it has a sound block to which is AMD true Audio,all that sh** is on PS4...lol

Data move engines are not flop enhancer either is there to move data,not to create pixel or do extra effect,power on the fu**ing xbox one from from the GPU Computer Units,the PS4 has 18 CU and 1124 Stream processors,the xbox one has 12 with 768 Stream Processors the power of both hardware come from there.

Fact is the xbox one was having problems with games that not even the 7770 had,the 750ti is weaker than the 7770 and can run Diablo 3 at 1080pm and there wasn't need to issue a damn patch,the 7770 can run at 60 without problems.

The GPU is the same the CPU is the same and the xbox one has a shitty memory system,is not even true HSA MS lie about it..hahaha

I live in America stupid in the Caribean we are part of US to you know...

CPU = check.

GPU same family but stronger on PS4 = Check

PS4 WINS again!

They are more similar than they are different.

Sure the Xbox One has move engines which free up a fraction of CPU runtime in certain scenarios and the PS4 has extra ACE units which free up CPU runtime in certain scenarios. The Xbox One has ESRAM as a band aid for the low bandwidth DDR3 and the PS4 has GDDR5.

CPU - Xbox One has a clock speed advantage but from the only benchmark we had a while ago the PS4 came out ahead but we had no details on if it was single or multi threaded, no idea on the overheads in play on both consoles or anything. The are practically the same though and performance / core is faster on the Xbox One by about 10%. With Mantle and the close to the metal APIs used on PS4 and Xbox One though CPU performance matters less. It has even been stated by the Metro Redux devs that the API on PS4 can do things in a few cycles it takes hundreds of cycles to do with the Xbox One API, this is something that DX12 will help address but it will only be playing catchup to a moving target.

GPU - The PS4 is has a far faster GPU, there is no doubt, no argument and no secret sauce that will make up the shader, texturing and ROP performance deficit of the Xbox One. If a game requires 1.8 TFlops of rendering performance to hit 1080p 60 at Ultra settings then there is no possible way at all for the Xbox One to run the game at 1080p 60 at Ultra settings, the dev will have to downgrade the resolution, downgrade the effects or accept a lower frame rate. We have tended to see the former with a smattering of the 2nd and 3rd option.

Memory - The PS4 has a faster overall memory system that is easier to use. You can almost match it with the right optimisations on the Xbox One but that takes added dev time, why do you think MS threw engineers at Bungie and Blizzard to get Destiny and Diablo 3 upto 1080p? It took extra resources for those devs to match what they could do on the PS4 easily and I bet most of that was memory space optimisation to feed the GPU so it did not bottleneck when running at 1080p.

Ultimately I have been saying it since the specs were leaked pre launch that the PS4 will have a considerable advantage over the Xbox One in terms of IQ and that has proven to be true. I also said that the best that Xbox One gamers can hope for is parity which is also what we have seen.

Ya know, I thought your other thread today about trying to pawn off a few issues with XB1 at launch was the new low. Sniper Elite 3 being an AAA game? New winner...

Forza 5 can't even have AA because that's too much for the console to handle and the game looks kinda mediocre everywhere else but photo mode

hahahahah. This fool thinks because a few games have reached 1080p parity that the bone has caught up. You cant correct weaker hardware period. So early this gen and lems are bragging about 1080p parity. What a joke. Lets give it a year or two and see where things stand. Let me use my crystal ball and tell you:

-PS4 exlusives will look better than xbox one exlusives

-75% of multiplats will be better on PS4

-Xbox One = 8 to 12million units sold (probably not to consumers (Microsoft likes to hide this fact)) PS4 = 17.5 to 23 sold to through to customers.

Why was it ridiculous? 60fps is demanding and the gpu inside X1 is made for internet browsing lol....

"We decided to put the major issues to the test by utilising equivalent PC hardware based on the same AMD architecture as the next-gen consoles. On the one hand, this has its disadvantages - the closed box environment of the consoles promises significant boosts over PC, while each machine uses its own graphics API which, presumably, introduces another performance differential. On the other hand, we know that next-gen launch games are developed initially on PC, with ports currently in progress for the new consoles. Also, this is an "In Theory" exercise, so commonality in the API at least means that the graphics tech for both test platforms is being tested on a like-for-like basis - and above all, this is a hardware experiment."

Digital Foundry say's your stupid...not me.

StormyJoke denial is best denial.

StormyJoke tears are best tears.

Been saying that all along. All you will get from Tormentos is a link to a hardware graph, and a mention of Sniper Elite 3...

@scottpsfan14: You think I care if you like me. Get over yourself. You could die tomorrow I wouldn't give two fucks. I would imagine you would feel the same about me too.

You don't know me. I don't know you. Besides arguing over stupid shit. That apparently you take to serious.

This is nothing personal......guy.

He's an idiot. He has done this shit since the PS3 launched. White Knighting for the PS3. When games on the PS3 were missing fucking buildings compared to the X360 versions.

Arguing with stupid will just bring you down to their level and they will beat you with experience.

EDIT: Meant to say x360.

then why do you make things personal?

I don't. I'm just a tubby guy. As you claimed.

You're weak minded, so you try to attack personal things like family and appearances. Anything personal your immature mind can grasp at.

Don't expect another reply from me. Kid.

@b4x: don't think I've ever attacked your family. And you are the one who has attacked my appearance many times in the past. So I guess you must be weak minded

@b4x: please provide examples of when I have done those things

I'm not digging through your trash..... You know the score.

You can sit there and act all innocent.. Guess what.

My face is waiting Punk kid.

@FastRobby: ghost may not be demanding but the same goes to racing games. X1 couldn't even handle MGS5 demo at 1080p...

@b4x: your face is waiting? What does that even mean? Why would I want to see your ugly mug

So you accuse me of attacking your family but never seem to provide any proof

Remember always, seatbelts = Bad.

Well, at least you're a man of your word...

er, wait a sec

Why would I take into account a persons OPINION that does not even own the system...............................................

EDIT: You ever think about that? You can't voice a REAL honest opinion on anything in this world without first hand knowledge. Kinda basic stuff really.

I own all systems. Do you want my real life experiential opinions on the Xbone?

Here we go again. GrenadeLauncher shown to be a buffoon, so he counters with "tears" and "meltdown" replies. Both laughable and, quite frankly, pathetic. You are the new #1 troll of SW.

@Heil68: Shoot. I'll know if you're full of it. :p

If you have one you KNOW it gets unwarranted hate from people. I posted my pics of my two x1's and PS4. You never did come back and update your photo in that thread about your setup. I believe you have one. Just saying.

Here's the way I look at things..... Don't argue with me with second hand hearsay or knowledge.

It's like my son about food. "I don't like that!'... Me: "Just try one bite to see."

"Can I have more!"

Raised? WOW......

I hope you understand where I sit also. You bring a weak ass argument with ZERO first hand experience. You're not credible in my eyes. It's that simple.

You're just a flapping mouth and deserve zero respect from anyone IMO. Especially me.

You cannot form an honest opinion on something you do not have or have not tried.

I respect that you admit to being narrow minded. Life's short man. Grab it while you can!

The amount of bullshit, fan boy logic and down right fucking stupid comments coming from people in this thread has made me laugh harder then I've laughed in a while.

People using technical things they don;t under stand to try and win arguments..lmao..

The only reason Xbone will EVERhave parity with PS4 in a multi-platform game is if the developer does it on PURPOSE.

PS4 has more shaders, more texture units, more ROPS and more usable memory.

No amount of bullshit move engines, cloud computing and any secret sauce NDA crap is going to make up for Xbones serious hardware shortfalls when compared to PS4.

Accept and move on.

Come on @tormentos come plese debate digital foundry with your garbage. Smart guy.

EDIT: Every time from now on you try to bring your BS PC benchmarks out, you're getting this link.

I hope you're not talking about me.... I never ONCE said the X1 is more powerful than the PS4.

No need to be upset over objective observations, StormyJoke.

Funny thing is, you haven't even bothered to quantify how SE3 isn't AAA. You're making a loser of yourself again, as usual.

Not directed at you but you do argue and say some dumb shit...

Should you be?

If you saw a movie in the theater 5 times that you loved..... I came along, haven't seen the movie. I started a debate with you about that movie and how it sucked.... What would you classify that under?

What dumb shit... I normally can back up anything I say.

I was baiting @tormentos with misinformation the last two days for him to keep saying PC and Console benchmarks were the same. If that is what you're talking about. You better have both consoles before we start this discussion.

EDIT: I read that DF article when it came out.... It was in my favorites.

This. Some of my favorite games from previous generations were in no way the most graphically impressive...like GTA San Andreas. That game was ugly as hell but I can still go back and play it to this day.

When you said......... "The flaw here is PS4 and X1 are nothing alike in design"...........that made me laugh my ass off.

They're so close to the same design it's not even funny... Take the ESRAM out of Xbone and architecturally they're IDENTICAL.

That is much closer then any other set of consoles that's even been released.

ONE THING different about the two makes my point valid..... They're NOT the same. If you take the carburetor off of the engine of one car that are the same make and model... are they the same?

Is a 6 speed car the same as an automatic?

Is a 1200 watt microwave the same as a 900 watt microwave?

Is my DirecTV remote the same as my harmony?

IDENTICAL means Identical..... Look at both diagrams of the consoles then come back in here and say that stupid shit again.

EDIT: The ONLY thing almost the same is the SoC......and they're different too.

WTF?

In SW, AAA is denoted to the quality level of the game based on the score. Sniper Elite 3 scored a 6/10. Not AAA. In the gaming industry, an AAA game is a classification of it's production values. Based on all the reviews listed on sites like metacritic, the game has average/poor production values. Again, not AAA.

"Objective observations"? Really? You are a troll; who, like a 12 year old, tries to insult me by mocking my screen name. I can certainly be mocking as well. As a matter of fact, I can be down right malicious and insulting. I chose not to for you because I am not going to play your game. You are truly a sorry excuse for a poster - far too sorry to lower myself to something like that.

You're an idiot...

CPU Architecture = Identical

GPU GCN architecture = Identical

Memory sub-system ( With no ESRAM in the equation ) = Identical

Developers don't HAVEto use the ESRAM... They can do all the rendering using only the main RAM if they want to.

Take the carb off a car engine and it becomes unusable.

And yes mechanically a 1200 watt microwave will be the same as a 900w microwave you jackass.