Why is Sony the only one still putting out challenging exclusives?

This gen, Bloodborne, and now Nioh. That's only two, granted, but at least they're putting them out. It's like the rest of the big three have thrown even the idea of hardcore gaming under the rug. And by hardcore I mean HARD. Is it that much to ask, give me a game once in a while that actually kicks my ass?

And I'm not talking about handhelds, so no Monster Hunter on 3DS (those games are pretty tough though from what I understand). Just straight up full exclusive games that tear you a new one. Aside from Sony's offerings, it is apparently a genre left in the past.

I would say The Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2 and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze were challenging titles.

Xenoblade Chronicles X is also quite a robust game mechanically with a lot of depth. If you want to go through the game at a reasonable pace without a heavy amount of grinding, it takes serious understanding of all the games' intricacies.

I'm not sure I can agree with your assertion, Reduc. :(

Because their fanbase isn't made off of dudebros that play Gears, Halo, Destiny, CoD, BF, The Division and know nothing else because it isn't marketed enough.

over the last few years it seems sony is just highly invested in their first party....they listen to their fans i guess.....wish nintendo would start doing this

• Sony didn't make Nioh
• Sony is not the only one making challenging exclusives- did you never play Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, or Mario 3D World?

Oh, that's quite alright. No need to agree!

@charizard1605:

Some of the bosses in DKC: Tropical Freeze had me pulling my hair out. Not to mention any and all of the Kong Temple levels. They are so so so difficult!

• Bloodborne is an action role-playing video game developed by FromSoftware
• FromSoftware, Inc. is a Japanese video game company founded in November 1986, who are known primarily outside of Japan for being the developers of the Armored Core and Souls series, as well as Bloodborne.
• Nioh is an upcoming action role-playing game developed by Team Ninja for the PlayStation 4.
• Team Ninja is a Japanese video game developer and a division of Koei Tecmo, founded in 1995.

/thread

@reduc_ab_:

If you are a Wii U owner, I'd recommend those three titles if you're looking for a good challenge. :)

*cackles out his chair* Biggest lie about a fandom I've read.

On the thread at hand: What, does Nintendo still not publish any? Does Platinum no longer do it?

I think from now on we should make clear the distinction between publishing a title and developing the title. In this case, the titles mention were published by Sony, not developed by them.

Should at least change "making" to "publishing". But while we are shitposting it's common knowledge that the console crowd doesn't enjoy "difficult" games, the hardest ones are found on PC and even Dark Souls holds most sales on PC.

my comment was so strong and in your face that it seemed like a lie to you. this brutal.

Didn't those games sold the most on the PS4?

December 2016 Top 10 PS4 Games

1. Final Fantasy XV
2. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
3. Battlefield 1
4. Watch Dogs 2
5. NBA 2K17
6. Madden NFL 17
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. FIFA 17
9. The Last Guardian*
10. Titanfall 2

And why exactly dont challenging handhelds count? Try out some soul sacrifice on the vita.

I think @reduc_ab_ was using the word 'making' to encompass the distribution of exclusives. So by Sony making, she meant Sony having exclusives, not that Sony made these games themselves but that they are the ones publishing them or acquiring them for their system. I got what she meant, at least.

Yeah, finishing Tropical Freeze is probably one of the most satisfying accomplishments I have felt as a player of games haha

@charizard1605:

I never finished it. :(

@Pedro said:

@silversix_ said:

Because their fanbase isn't made off of dudebros that play Gears, Halo, Destiny, CoD, BF, The Division and know nothing else because it isn't marketed enough.

Didn't those games sold the most on the PS4?

Not anyone's fault there's over twice as many PS4's sold. Some... i mean, a lot of dudebro lems have abandoned their sinking ship and got the ps4. They're the ones buying this crap.

Lets not backpedal now. This is what you said

@silversix_ said:

Because their fanbase isn't made off of dudebros...

Now you are saying its made up of dudebros. Self ownage approved. Thank you for playing.

EDIT: I see your point, and have amended the title.

Yeah, but Nioh is only on the PS4. Hence, 'putting them out'. Also, no, I do not think Bayonetta, either game, is particularly hard. Not sure about DK. And I don't touch Mario.

That is a fair point, so I've amended the title to say 'putting out' instead of 'making'. Still, these games are exclusive, though.

That is not an argument and I don't think any logical person would argue to the contrary.

@Pedro said:

@silversix_ said:

Because their fanbase isn't made off of dudebros that play Gears, Halo, Destiny, CoD, BF, The Division and know nothing else because it isn't marketed enough.

Didn't those games sold the most on the PS4?

December 2016 Top 10 PS4 Games

1. Final Fantasy XV
2. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
3. Battlefield 1
4. Watch Dogs 2
5. NBA 2K17
6. Madden NFL 17
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. FIFA 17
9. The Last Guardian*
10. Titanfall 2

TCHBO

@silversix_ said:

@Pedro said:

@silversix_ said:

Because their fanbase isn't made off of dudebros that play Gears, Halo, Destiny, CoD, BF, The Division and know nothing else because it isn't marketed enough.

Didn't those games sold the most on the PS4?

Not anyone's fault there's over twice as many PS4's sold. Some... i mean, a lot of dudebro lems have abandoned their sinking ship and got the ps4. They're the ones buying this crap.

That makes no sense, with double the install base, their first party exclusives should sell a lot more, but the fact is they don't.

U4 had the best at 8.7 mill out of nearly 60 million consoles, that's pretty bad. (also included bundles)

As noted. I've changed the title. Thank you!

That is quite right. Even so, I've changed the title to make things clearer for certain.....extremely detail-oriented people.

Might I just say, you are a very level-headed person. It is a breath of fresh air to have you around here.

I never found Bloodborne to be particularly hard. I guess that discounts it because one person doesn't think it's hard. \Logic.

lems like it simple and boring. cows likes it rough. its a very simple concept. You look at Halo and even Legendary go easy as hell. MS knows to whom they're catering to.

@silversix_: u think yakuza is crap go to hell bye idiot I win not checking through reply hahah best game loser freak

Why did you skip the entire point he made? did you get owned?

The fact remains, the PS4 is a massive dudebro station, and exclusives don't sell as well as some of you think.

I was just keeping it strictly to tabletop consoles. But yeah, I've been wanting to try out Soul Sacrifice for a loooong time now. Haven't turned on my Vita in a while.

I like it when people think going back a minute in gameplay because you died is tough :P

Try playing ironman on certain games at higher levels ;)

This genuinely made me chuckle.

If Nioh were to come out exclusively on the Xbone, it would've sold less than Bayo 2 on the WiiU because the game is simply too hard for the X1 crowd. Who wants to spend $60 and be stuck on the first boss?

Trying to run from this quote?

@silversix_ said:

Because their fanbase isn't made off of dudebros that play Gears, Halo, Destiny, CoD, BF, The Division and know nothing else because it isn't marketed enough.

Please refer to the amendment I made in the title. Thank you!

Still need to beat it myself. Only barely in a couple levels. Really not sure why I trailed off...

He's running fast, swerving everything.

already took a plane, i'm out.

Also looking at the most popular PS4 games on gamespot, Nioh is 15th.

With all the hype it's getting on these forums, I'd figure it would be trending higher.

No problemo

Thats why i give kudos to SONY for years now , they delivering every single generation amazing/great/good/decent exclusives while they trying new IPs again and again.

I've found that the beauty of Bloodborne is the inherent challenge settings built into the gameplay design. By that, I mean you can alter the way you play and the game is an entirely new and more brutal experience. The alteration could be anything from using a specific type of weapon only, limiting what armor you use, using no magic items, etc. etc. It really does change the experiential landscape of the game, so to speak.

So, you mean doing shit that people do in other games already to give artificial challenge?

Western Games are one of the most popular games on the PS4 and past PS consoles, numb nuts.

Um, I guess? Not saying you can't apply this to other games....

Western games AND more. On the Bone its just Western games, nothing else, no variety. CoD year after year is all that is being played or hyped.

I think the market generally isn't fond of hard games generally, they can still do fine as soulsborne games have proven but there are just less and less of them these days.

Therefore by that very logic, any game can be a challenge if you limit how you play :o

Fair enough. Its hella hard. I had to set it down for a bit because of the constant difficulty.