Why did PS3 end up with only 256mb ram?

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#151 Rage010101
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[QUOTE="MGS9150"][QUOTE="primetime2121"][QUOTE="MGS9150"][QUOTE="primetime2121"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"][QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]the ps3 has 512mb ramzazoo4455
it has 256 video 256, system, that means 256 period... on my computer i have 512mb system, and 128mb video, do hermits tell me that i have 640mb ram?NO get it straight cows!

256mb ram + 256mb ram= 512mb ram I don't see why this is so hard to understand. The PS3 can use 512mb of ram. the cpu can use 256, and the gpu can use 256


no it does not....256 for the GPU and 256 for the CPU...that is not 512....it is 256 mostly for graphical processes which is not alot



LISTEN there are 2 sticks of RAM both are 256MBs, now what is 256 + 256... 512MBS. The CPU uses 1 stick while the gpu uses the other stick. TOTAL SYSTEM MEMORY EQUALS 512MBS. 360 uses 1 stick of 512 this stck is shared between the cpu and gpu. 256mbs of PS3s RAM are running at 3.2GHZ which is 4 times faster than the 700MHz the 360s RAM is running at and the other 256mbs of PS3s RAM is running at 700MHz. PS3s RAM = more efficient=better than 360 ram.


too bad it doesnt work like that in real life...more slower ram is better than less faster ram...end of discussion



IT seems to me you dont understand how RAM works. Ram downloads information from the disk so it can be quickly accessed by either the CPU or GPU. If your RAM is faster it can perform its job quicker and more efficiently. And since PS3 uses 2 sticks of RAM the GPU and CPU get fed constant streams of data faster. The 360 has 1 stick of RAM which has to be used by both GPU and CPU which makes it less efficient.

Only problem is that the 360's RAM is MUCH more accessible than the PS3's RAM. Therefore the 360 is much better when it comes to RAM.



ok now im convinced you dont know what you're talking about... you dont even explain yourself... your debates are too broad and people are not going to take you serious because of it...
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#152 Rage010101
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Does anyone here speak retard cause I cant get lemmings to understand both the PS3 and 360 have 512mbs of RAM.MGS9150


Unfortunately yes, 95% of the people in here...
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#153 Berem
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are you crazy? P$3 only has 32mb ram last I checked the spec sheet
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#154 Kahuna_1
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are you crazy? P$3 only has 32mb ram last I checked the spec sheetBerem

actually only 1mb and a 33mhz processor

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#155 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Dilrod"]Um.. its 256 of XDRAM, which is 4 times faster than dram. http://www.rambus.com/us/products/xdr_xdr2/ Thats what you all fail to realize. Its funny listening to the lemmings say stuff like "lol its only got 256mb ram" when it far exceeds the xbox 360's 512 dram

its also funny that the proof is seen easily that the ps3s none unified ram is a serious bottleneck and thats a fact....many moddies using yellow dog linux on the ps3 constantly state that the ps3s 2 pools of 256 ram is hell for media creation and media playback which is another early sign that it will be hard for ps3 to catch up and compete with 360 in the graphics arena...
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#156 DementedDragon
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Heh time for Gamespot to make a new forum and title it:

RAM WARS

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#157 DanBal76
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[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]the ps3 has 512mb ramzazoo4455
I mean usable ram.

You don't even know what you mean. What you really mean is main RAM. Since when video RAM is unusable?

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#158 Bgrngod
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Dilrod"]Um.. its 256 of XDRAM, which is 4 times faster than dram. http://www.rambus.com/us/products/xdr_xdr2/ Thats what you all fail to realize. Its funny listening to the lemmings say stuff like "lol its only got 256mb ram" when it far exceeds the xbox 360's 512 dram

its also funny that the proof is seen easily that the ps3s none unified ram is a serious bottleneck and thats a fact....many moddies using yellow dog linux on the ps3 constantly state that the ps3s 2 pools of 256 ram is hell for media creation and media playback which is another early sign that it will be hard for ps3 to catch up and compete with 360 in the graphics arena...

Media creation and Media playback are totally different then image rendering. If anything we can say it plays back Blu-ray DVD's just fine. We can argue specs all day. Resistance looks terrific and is most definitely a "next-gen" game.
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#159 wooooode
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They though long loading times and many other things were fine.
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#160 mentzer
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PS3 has 512MB of RAM.

The TC should be banned.

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#161 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol 512 MB of ram is not a lot by any means. PCs have 4 times as much.

No comment, owning that would be far too easy.
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#162 primetime2121
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PS3 has 512MB of RAM.

The TC should be banned.

mentzer

all of it is not accesible without taking a major hit unlike 360 which is freely acessible....
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#163 Kahuna_1
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Why dont you guys get it, the PS3 uses an advanced compaq G 33mhz processor with a solid voodoo 1mb videocard...it can render and rerender full hd graphics in a matter of seconds!
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#164 hoagey
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does this even matter think about the games and how they will perform this has just thread has just turned into this
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#165 wiistation360
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i didnt know apart from me,everyone else here is a game developer.
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#166 SolidTy
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Why did they design it with a bottleneck like that?  Doesn't make sense.  At least the 360 was designed well with 512mb ram.zazoo4455

It didn't.

Whoo.

That was a hard one!

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#167 Cook66
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when Idling PCs will use anywhere from 200-350MB.cobrax25
Then please tell me, how can I run firefox, outlook, IE, 2 other programs a calculator, several background pograms, antivirus and a firewall all at once on this work computer with 256MB ram? :?
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#168 Aclar00_basic
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[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"][QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]the ps3 has 512mb ramprimetime2121
it has 256 video 256, system, that means 256 period... on my computer i have 512mb system, and 128mb video, do hermits tell me that i have 640mb ram?NO get it straight cows!

256mb ram + 256mb ram= 512mb ram I don't see why this is so hard to understand. The PS3 can use 512mb of ram. the cpu can use 256, and the gpu can use 256


no it does not....256 for the GPU and 256 for the CPU...that is not 512....it is 256 mostly for graphical processes which is not alot

Man....this is tiring...so basically, your logic is the 360 has 512MB of video RAM....ummm so what does the CPU use...im not expert but i do believe CPUs need ram to function optimaly....there's a reason its called unified RAM....please try to understand
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#169 Aclar00_basic
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[QUOTE="makingmusic476"][QUOTE="primetime2121"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"][QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]the ps3 has 512mb ramprimetime2121
it has 256 video 256, system, that means 256 period... on my computer i have 512mb system, and 128mb video, do hermits tell me that i have 640mb ram?NO get it straight cows!

256mb ram + 256mb ram= 512mb ram I don't see why this is so hard to understand. The PS3 can use 512mb of ram. the cpu can use 256, and the gpu can use 256


no it does not....256 for the GPU and 256 for the CPU...that is not 512....it is 256 mostly for graphical processes which is not alot

Yeah, but in a standard pc the gpu is the bottleneck, so it would make sense to add more ram for the gpu in a console. It maximizes efficiency. Also, the 360 has 512m of unified ram, so how much are you going to subtract from that, to account for the gpu, to get its "true" amount of ram? Your logic makes no sense.


how does that make no sense ?? the 360 can utilize 490 MB for graphical processes while the PS3 can only access 256 for graphical processes

 PS3 GPU can access more, it just has a longer distance to travel in order to gain access to the other 256MB, making it a little less efficient...as for Xbox 360 why dont you seem to understand that the GPU will Never use that much because the CPU also needs ram....develpers just have a little more freedom and swtiching up the percent between CPU and GPU, but the GPU will never use all the RAM
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#170 xxgunslingerxx
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[QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]the ps3 has 512mb ramRadeon_X1950XTX
it has 256 video 256, system, that means 256 period... on my computer i have 512mb system, and 128mb video, do hermits tell me that i have 640mb ram?NO get it straight cows!

yes in a pc that is the case but the ps3 was built so that the gpu can access the main ram as well

so i think u are the one that needs to get it straight

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#171 fahadq8
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[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

PS3 has 256 mb of base ram. It has 256 mb of video memory.

To answer your question it's because they were trying to make the biggest waste of money possible.

-NintendoPower-



I agree with that.  Frankly I don't know why they split the ram between base and video memory.  I'm also unconvinced of the Cell.  Why is it that Sony chooses to go such a propietary route that it causes the devs to work harder.  Seems to me multiplats have always suffered (whether it be PS2 or PS3).  Why not just cut the crap and design a console thats easy to work with and pump out quality titles that run good out the gate? 

i think for the os if you install one

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#172 savage161
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[QUOTE="MGS9150"]Does anyone here speak retard cause I cant get lemmings to understand both the PS3 and 360 have 512mbs of RAM.Rage010101


Unfortunately yes, 95% of the people in here...

I think everybodys retarded here even you, No one has brought up the fact that neither have 512mg of ram, Some of it gets takken up by the Os, And we know who wins that, Ms hands down, Also Sony dont know **** about hardware, You know it i know it and we all know that Ms know all the tricks and know how to milk everything to get the performace and know how to do it on a budget.

With the Ed ram which does all that fancy stuff at no cost with the extra ram the xbox 360 wins hands down and top quality multiplatform games will show the weakness in the ps3 lack of ram and the weaker gpu and easier to program and port games over cpu, Ms will make their own cpu for the next version or the xbox and i could see amd and intel follwing suit on their desgin because ms make the software and work with it over time and know what needs to be done, They will probaly make their on gpu and lower the costs of making the next console themselves and make it even better then the rest and make their hardware look like a joke.

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#173 Eddie5vs1
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ps3 has 512mb

lemmings are in denial about that

l1mIt
no, the intelligent lemmings are not in denial about that. some of us favor the 360 but can see positives about all the current consoles.
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#174 X360PS3AMD05
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Because Epic didn't go to Sony and tell them they needed more for Gears of War.
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#175 Radeon_X1950XTX
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[QUOTE="Ngon"]

[QUOTE="zazoo4455"]Why did they design it with a bottleneck like that? Doesn't make sense. At least the 360 was designed well with 512mb ram.-GeordiLaForge-

THIS THREAD PHAIL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-TML95Jfnk

PS3 HAS 512MB AND CAN BE ACCESS ANY TIME... YOU PHAIL FANBOY! FAIL FAIL FAIL!

TLHBO

But precious bandwidth between the RSX and Cell will have to be wasted. Since the Cell has to assist the RSX, this would be very costly to performance.

yes that is why devs try to avoid it, RSX can write on both banks, cell can only write on its own, meaning cell is limited to 256, /ownage
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#176 Radeon_X1950XTX
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[QUOTE="azrealhk"]
There is no such thing as any game using 50/50 ratio or any specific ratio. It is likely a game on the 360 will use 300MB CPU and 212MB graphics,

mikemil828

That reasoning would work if the x360 had more memory, unfortunately it only has 512 total, giving it only 212 mb of video memory is sure to cause problems video wise, look at the pc market, most cards now a days have at least 256 mb of dedicated video memory, because any less will hurt the visuals. The lemmings have to face the fact that they cannot have better graphics than the PS3 if it has less memory devoted to video than the PS3 and the only true way it could do that is if it's pretty near 50/50 all the time

wow, learn how unified works. it can go either way, the same way, the same speed,
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#177 Radeon_X1950XTX
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[QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="MGS9150"][QUOTE="Blinblingthing"]

[QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="MGS9150"][QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="MGS9150"]Does anyone here speak retard cause I cant get lemmings to understand both the PS3 and 360 have 512mbs of RAM.mikemil828

im not complaining about that, again im complaining about the FACT that cell is limited to 256, again hermits dont say, OMG I HAVE 1 GB PLUS THE 512 MB ON MY GRAPHICS CARD, MAKES MY COMPUTER HAVE 1.5GB OF RAM HURRAYS, NO they just say I HAVE 1 GB RAM,



What you dont understand is that consoles are different than computers. The 360 HAS to divide its RAM too. It can be 300for cpu and 212 for GPU or 256 CPU 256 GPU. Either way PS3s RAM is still better because its speed can make up for 44mbs and 360 cant split it RAM too much or either the GPU or CPU will suffer lack of memory.

and 360 is able to do it hassle free, PS3 will come at a cost, ZOMG NOOBLET, and its not speed, ITS BANDWIDTH, IT WILL SUFFER GREATLY IF CELL WRITES OR READS ON THE GDDR3 RAM, ALSO THE RAM IS A HUGE BOTTLENECK ON CELL BECUASE THERE IS SO LITTLE RAM FOR IT

What MGS is saying is right

Your Gaming console's GPU and CPU need RAM

In PS3 its split in 2 banks, Why is that bad if both CPU and GPU need ram :roll:

Incase you didn't realise Some of PS3's graphical processing is done on Cell

So at the end of the day PS3 memory bank pool >>> 360s memory set up.



Dont bother, Just wait 1 year when games like MGS 4 come out and prove PS3 >>> 360. Its already starting to show even devs are saying PS3 is a more powerful machine. I'm leaving now, you guys might wanna see a doctor your arses must be pretty red after pulling so much bs out of em.

lol thats a funny repsones good one, BUT alan wake has proved it could not run on ps3, thats why they canclled ps3 epic says GEOW could not run on ps3 cause its ram (as my examples 300-212) oblivion had to cut donw on content cause of ram how much proof do cows need?

also i believe MGS is backing out cause he got OWNED, cant repsond , cant, to much proof, ownage he cant handle it, well im going to sleep, its my bed time :lol: we shall continue someday, when im availible, i will make a thread about ram and send PM to MGS to continue and finish my ownage! until then....good luck TEH XDR!!!!!!!!3.2GHZ!!!!!!!!!4X!!!!!!!!!

Good, you can respond to me:

That Alan Wake isn't on the PS3, probably has more to do with the fact that Microsoft is publishing Alan Wake than any particular memory issues.

Also can you explain why that, if GEOW cannot run on the PS3 due to memory issues, than how come UT2007 can? After all UT2007 will undoubtibly be more intensive memory wise than GEOW is.

alan wake didnt have a publisher when they said it cant run on ps3, so you PHAIL
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#178 Radeon_X1950XTX
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[QUOTE="Radeon_X1950XTX"][QUOTE="ChopperDave1"]the ps3 has 512mb ramxxgunslingerxx

it has 256 video 256, system, that means 256 period... on my computer i have 512mb system, and 128mb video, do hermits tell me that i have 640mb ram?NO get it straight cows!

yes in a pc that is the case but the ps3 was built so that the gpu can access the main ram as well

so i think u are the one that needs to get it straight

and cpu? oh thats right cpu is only limited to 256, and if rsx does write on xdr, it will suffer performance issues, again cows need to learn about hardware
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#179 tango90101
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lol 512 MB of ram is not a lot by any means. PCs have 4 times as much.cobrax25

at 4 times the price.

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#180 mmogoon
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]lol 512 MB of ram is not a lot by any means. PCs have 4 times as much.

Zomg they must be 4 times better yeah ?? Yeah surely they must yeah
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#181 Sailor_Enlil
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I think this should settle things:

PS3 = PC with addon Video Card (System RAM for CPU, Video RAM for GPU, though GPU can access some of System RAM eg AGP Texturing if needed, but will be a bottleneck).
XBox360 = PC with onboard Video (System RAM shared by CPU and GPU, each will allocate what's necessary)

End of discussion.
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#182 Makari
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[QUOTE="Dilrod"]Um.. its 256 of XDRAM, which is 4 times faster than dram. http://www.rambus.com/us/products/xdr_xdr2/ Thats what you all fail to realize. Its funny listening to the lemmings say stuff like "lol its only got 256mb ram" when it far exceeds the xbox 360's 512 dram

 it's late, but there's a free lesson. DDR1 @ 506MHz vs. DDR2 @ 1000MHz, 800MHz, 600MHz. latency vs. raw clockspeed.
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#183 gnrlstuart
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hey just wanted to say ps3 has 256 mb or xdr ram which runs at around almost 7 times as fast as the 360's memory, which isnt even dedicated to the gpu, so it wont even use its 512 mb, probably only 350, 360 ram runs at 750 mbps, ps3 ram runs at 9gbps
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#184 FragTycoon
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One thing I have learned from SW (scary huh?) is that people are afraid of what they don't understand. PS3 don't have classic (last few years =p) PC architecture, its quite different. Is it better? that remains to be seen
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#185 sakura_Ex
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[QUOTE="Rage010101"][QUOTE="MGS9150"]Does anyone here speak retard cause I cant get lemmings to understand both the PS3 and 360 have 512mbs of RAM.savage161



Unfortunately yes, 95% of the people in here...

I think everybodys retarded here even you, No one has brought up the fact that neither have 512mg of ram, Some of it gets takken up by the Os, And we know who wins that, Ms hands down,Also Sony dont know **** about hardware, You know it i know it and we all know that Ms know all the tricks and know how to milk everything to get the performace and know how to do it on a budget.

With the Ed ram which does all that fancy stuff at no cost with the extra ram the xbox 360 wins hands down and top quality multiplatform games will show the weakness in the ps3 lack of ram and the weaker gpu and easier to program and port games over cpu, Ms will make their own cpu for the next version or the xbox and i could see amd and intel follwing suit on their desgin because ms make the software and work with it over time and know what needs to be done, They will probaly make their on gpu and lower the costs of making the next console themselves and make it even better then the rest and make their hardware look like a joke.

Wth?

Last time I checked Sony was a hardware giant but maybe I dreamt that.

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#186 Riverwolf007
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Both should have had a gig.
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#187 thrones
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Both should have had a gig.Riverwolf007

So very true.

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#188 naruto7777
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it has 512mb
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#190 XTy
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the ps3 has 512mb ramChopperDave1

This is correct. This thread is totally wasted.