When a 360 exclusive, goes to the PC is it really an "exclusive lost"?

[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]And the whole point of exclusives is that they are a reason to buy a specific platform over another. THis is System Wars. It's alla bout console sales, right? Ifa 360 exclusive games suddenly appears on the pc, it's one less reason to buy a 360.cobrax75

Majority of gamers play exclusively on console. So in most cases, its still a valid reson to buy 360.

hermits like to pretend the pc is a bigger market than it accually is.

Microsoft themselves estimate it at about 200 million.

You realize that's bigger than the userbases of the PS2, Xbox, GameCube, 360, PS3 and Wii combined?

So you don't think the estimates are a reality? Base that on anything? You realize they need to be wrong by about 90% in their estimate for your opinion to hold water (ie, that they've overestimated the PC userbase by about 190+ million for consoles to match it).

And no, PC game sales haven't been slumping because they've shifted to unrecordable formats. The NPD has no way to track how many games are being sold through Steam and Direct2Drive (and since Steam has 13 million members, I'm thinking a lot). The NPD has basically admitted it can't keep a track of PC games and it's records are not a good trend recording.

Nor do we have much of a gauge how things are around the world (ie, outside the US).

And in actuality, these figures have risen the past year.

So your argument has no stock.

And like i said, if there were 200 million avid pc gamers thats fine, its just that those sales dont show throw in the market. If we are going to argue untracable pc sales then this arguement will go nowhere.

But by and large, consoles seem to have more million sellers on a regular basis. now if you want to argue the invisible sales through teh steam and teh D2D then This ends here.

what invisible sales?

Steam has 13 million users......

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Repeated for emphasis... Microsoft does not own PC gaming.FlamingFlamingo

They may not OWN it, but developers are almost forced to develop thier games on a Windows OS, and MS is trying to find a way to have a larger role in PC gaming with "Games for Windows".

How can you say that we have no way of recording any pc sales, and then go on to say "the figures of risen"? doesnt seem to make sense.JPOBS

No, what I said was, there's no way to record a large amount of PC sales, but the data we do have suggests an upward trend.

And like i said, if there were 200 million avid pc gamers thats fine, its just that those sales dont show throw in the market. If we are going to argue untracable pc sales then this arguement will go nowhere.

But by and large, consoles seem to have more million sellers on a regular basis. now if you want to argue the invisible sales through teh steam and teh D2D then This ends here.

JPOBS

Ok, so we'll just have to leave definitive statements on software sales out of it, since you claim we can't say how it falls either way. Remember however, you brought the point of software sales up.

So again we look back to hardware, where the PC is estimated as much larger.

Yeah, because Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes, Command & Conquer 3, the Lord of the Rings Online, etc. etc.have been out for years. :roll:

Just wait until Spore and Crysis come out. ;)

makingmusic476

They may not OWN it, but developers are almost forced to develop thier games on a Windows OS, and MS is trying to find a way to have a larger role in PC gaming with "Games for Windows".FlamingFlamingo

Short answer: Microsoft does not own the PC platform. So yes. Shorter answer: yes. More than one platform = multiplat.Vandalvideo

But microsoft Owns Windows, and most all games are developed for windows :).

[QUOTE="JPOBS"]

How can you say that we have no way of recording any pc sales, and then go on to say "the figures of risen"? doesnt seem to make sense.Danm_999

No, what I said was, there's no way to record a large amount of PC sales, but the data we do have suggests an upward trend.

And like i said, if there were 200 million avid pc gamers thats fine, its just that those sales dont show throw in the market. If we are going to argue untracable pc sales then this arguement will go nowhere.

But by and large, consoles seem to have more million sellers on a regular basis. now if you want to argue the invisible sales through teh steam and teh D2D then This ends here.

JPOBS

Ok, so we'll just have to leave definitive statements on software sales out of it, since you claim we can't say how it falls either way. Remember however, you brought the point of software sales up.

So again we look back to hardware, where the PC is estimated as much larger.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

[QUOTE="makingmusic476"]And the whole point of exclusives is that they are a reason to buy a specific platform over another. THis is System Wars. It's alla bout console sales, right? Ifa 360 exclusive games suddenly appears on the pc, it's one less reason to buy a 360.JPOBS

Majority of gamers play exclusively on console. So in most cases, its still a valid reson to buy 360.

hermits like to pretend the pc is a bigger market than it accually is.

Microsoft themselves estimate it at about 200 million.

You realize that's bigger than the userbases of the PS2, Xbox, GameCube, 360, PS3 and Wii combined?

So you don't think the estimates are a reality? Base that on anything? You realize they need to be wrong by about 90% in their estimate for your opinion to hold water (ie, that they've overestimated the PC userbase by about 190+ million for consoles to match it).

And no, PC game sales haven't been slumping because they've shifted to unrecordable formats. The NPD has no way to track how many games are being sold through Steam and Direct2Drive (and since Steam has 13 million members, I'm thinking a lot). The NPD has basically admitted it can't keep a track of PC games and it's records are not a good trend recording.

Nor do we have much of a gauge how things are around the world (ie, outside the US).

And in actuality, these figures have risen the past year.

So your argument has no stock.

And like i said, if there were 200 million avid pc gamers thats fine, its just that those sales dont show throw in the market. If we are going to argue untracable pc sales then this arguement will go nowhere.

But by and large, consoles seem to have more million sellers on a regular basis. now if you want to argue the invisible sales through teh steam and teh D2D then This ends here.

what invisible sales?

Steam has 13 million users......

they sell games....and those sales are not counted by NPD numbers....

NPD numbers also do not count sales from subscription based games.....

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Short answer: Microsoft does not own the PC platform. So yes. Shorter answer: yes. More than one platform = multiplat.archpro

But microsoft Owns Windows, and most all games are developed for windows :).

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Short answer: Microsoft does not own the PC platform. So yes. Shorter answer: yes. More than one platform = multiplat.archpro

But microsoft Owns Windows, and most all games are developed for windows :).

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="JPOBS"]

How can you say that we have no way of recording any pc sales, and then go on to say "the figures of risen"? doesnt seem to make sense.JPOBS

No, what I said was, there's no way to record a large amount of PC sales, but the data we do have suggests an upward trend.

And like i said, if there were 200 million avid pc gamers thats fine, its just that those sales dont show throw in the market. If we are going to argue untracable pc sales then this arguement will go nowhere.

But by and large, consoles seem to have more million sellers on a regular basis. now if you want to argue the invisible sales through teh steam and teh D2D then This ends here.

JPOBS

Ok, so we'll just have to leave definitive statements on software sales out of it, since you claim we can't say how it falls either way. Remember however, you brought the point of software sales up.

So again we look back to hardware, where the PC is estimated as much larger.

I've no idea, but I imagine Microsoft has a little more of a grasp on things than you or I.

And face it, they aren't going to be off by hundreds of millions.

Okay gathered from your responses...its something like this I guess...

Any other platform = exclusive lost (multiplat)

But it gets muddy when its a MS published game i.e. Halo, Gears(most of you cannot agree on this)

So I guess the PSP did lose some exclusives after all - according to you guys.

An exclusive being lost to the PC is the lamest argument I've ever heard (no explaining required).

PS Microsoft luvs when popular games are ported to the PC. No, they won't recieve revenue directly, but if popular, moresystem demanding games keep gamers usings Windows OS and upgrading said OS to recieve maximum benefits, then you better believe Microsoft luvs it. Heck, I'll bet the bank they asked Epic to port Gears to PC. Especially if Gears supports DX10.

Nevermind gamers.....Microsoft gets to keep Epic and other developersusing Windows OS and Microsoft development tools. It's a win win.

More revenue for MS equals new iterations of Xbox for gamers. All lemmings should get on their knees and kiss hermit feet.

Okay gathered from your responses...its something like this I guess...

Any other platform = exclusive lost (multiplat)

But it gets muddy when its a MS published game i.e. Halo, Gears(most of you cannot agree on this)

So I guess the PSP did lose some exclusives after all - according to you guys.

rappid_rabbit

Can I hit teh final nail into the coffin on this "That trailer is GeoW2 not PC version" :roll: now?

Can I hit teh final nail into the coffin on this "That trailer is GeoW2 not PC version" :roll: now?

Meu2k7

[QUOTE="archpro"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Short answer: Microsoft does not own the PC platform. So yes. Shorter answer: yes. More than one platform = multiplat.smokeydabear076

But microsoft Owns Windows, and most all games are developed for windows :).

What OS runs xbox360? exactly, but then that means the Linux owns ps3 games, dunno. either way you can't play GeOW on PC without windows.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Can I hit teh final nail into the coffin on this "That trailer is GeoW2 not PC version" :roll: now?

smokeydabear076

either way....its coming to the PC.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Can I hit teh final nail into the coffin on this "That trailer is GeoW2 not PC version" :roll: now?

smokeydabear076

Hmmmm little confused with your response :P , That is the PC's version of the ingame- LIVE interface , as used in Shadowrun & Halo 2.

technically it loses exclusivity but then again... its to the pc... so that doesnt really matter

i'm not even sure pc competes with consoles so "losing" a game to pc doesnt matter much

technically it loses exclusivity but then again... its to the pc... so that doesnt really matter

i'm not even sure pc competes with consoles so "losing" a game to pc doesnt matter much

omarguy01

Why doesn't it matter?

From a strictly numerical perspective, it'd be better if it lost exclusivity to the PS3 or Wii, that way it would be available to less people.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="archpro"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Short answer: Microsoft does not own the PC platform. So yes. Shorter answer: yes. More than one platform = multiplat.archpro

But microsoft Owns Windows, and most all games are developed for windows :).

ATI, IBM, and Microsoft.

technically it loses exclusivity but then again... its to the pc... so that doesnt really matter

i'm not even sure pc competes with consoles so "losing" a game to pc doesnt matter much

omarguy01

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Can I hit teh final nail into the coffin on this "That trailer is GeoW2 not PC version" :roll: now?

Meu2k7

Hmmmm little confused with your response :P , That is the PC's version of the ingame- LIVE interface , as used in Shadowrun & Halo 2.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Can I hit teh final nail into the coffin on this "That trailer is GeoW2 not PC version" :roll: now?

smokeydabear076

Hmmmm little confused with your response :P , That is the PC's version of the ingame- LIVE interface , as used in Shadowrun & Halo 2.

Yea ok, I thought you might of meant that, but wasnt sure. Added the rest for those that didnt know it was the PC's version of LIVE UI.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Can I hit teh final nail into the coffin on this "That trailer is GeoW2 not PC version" :roll: now?

Meu2k7

Hmmmm little confused with your response :P , That is the PC's version of the ingame- LIVE interface , as used in Shadowrun & Halo 2.

Yea ok, I thought you might of meant that, but wasnt sure. Added the rest for those that didnt know it was the PC's version of LIVE UI.

Sure, go ahead.

Meu2k7

Sure, go ahead.

SYSTEM WARS

And MS doesn't own PC gaming. Get over it.

is MS publishing the PC Version? If they are, does it really matter which platiform it's for? They'd still be raking in the cash from itTheBigDrat

All monies from games published by MS go to MS. When MS decided to put Halo on the pc, that was Ms Decision and they profited from it. Gears monies; when it arrives on pc, will be split by MS and Epic and that decision was made by MS to generate more profit. In the end, most people who buy consoles won't look to the pc to play games. Those are two distinctly different demographics and people here need to get off the topic and move onto other pressing issues.

All monies from games published by MS go to MS. When MS decided to put Halo on the pc, that was Ms Decision and they profited from it. Gears monies; when it arrives on pc, will be split by MS and Epic and that decision was made by MS to generate more profit. In the end, most people who buy consoles won't look to the pc to play games. Those are two distinctly different demographics and people here need to get off the topic and move onto other pressing issues.cjnwo4life

[QUOTE="cjnwo4life"]All monies from games published by MS go to MS. When MS decided to put Halo on the pc, that was Ms Decision and they profited from it. Gears monies; when it arrives on pc, will be split by MS and Epic and that decision was made by MS to generate more profit. In the end, most people who buy consoles won't look to the pc to play games. Those are two distinctly different demographics and people here need to get off the topic and move onto other pressing issues.foxhound_fox

Mass market consumers. Don't pick out 1 thing without noticing I said that pc gaming and console gaming are truly 2 different demographics.

So what if Gears of War comes to Vista. Its Microsoft's OS anyways and besides, more people need to enjoy a game like Gears of War. Its the same thing that happened with Halo. People loved it on the XBOX and Microsoft ported it over to the PC and now Halo 2 was ported to the PC. I see no problem here. People make such a big deal about it saying "oh , Microsoft lost an exclusive" which is stupid because they didnt. I only clarify losing an exclusive if the game went to the PS3. If Gears of War went to the PS3 which will never happen by the way, then I would say oh, Microsoft lost an exclusive..

So what if Gears of War comes to Vista. Its Microsoft's OS anyways and besides, more people need to enjoy a game like Gears of War. Its the same thing that happened with Halo. People loved it on the XBOX and Microsoft ported it over to the PC and now Halo 2 was ported to the PC. I see no problem here. People make such a big deal about it saying "oh , Microsoft lost an exclusive" which is stupid because they didnt. I only clarify losing an exclusive if the game went to the PS3. If Gears of War went to the PS3 which will never happen by the way, then I would say oh, Microsoft lost an exclusive..

Farzan777

[QUOTE="Farzan777"]

So what if Gears of War comes to Vista. Its Microsoft's OS anyways and besides, more people need to enjoy a game like Gears of War. Its the same thing that happened with Halo. People loved it on the XBOX and Microsoft ported it over to the PC and now Halo 2 was ported to the PC. I see no problem here. People make such a big deal about it saying "oh , Microsoft lost an exclusive" which is stupid because they didnt. I only clarify losing an exclusive if the game went to the PS3. If Gears of War went to the PS3 which will never happen by the way, then I would say oh, Microsoft lost an exclusive..

foxhound_fox

In the end, pc gaming and console gaming generally have 2 distinctly different demographics and most of the time do not go hand in hand. That's why you see games for pc, and eventually on consoles and vice versa as publishers know that , in most cases, the audiences do not mix.

Repeated for emphasis... Microsoft does not own PC gaming.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Repeated for emphasis... Microsoft does not own PC gaming.Heil68

To put it simply: its one less reason to buy a X360 (not that I have any anyway). Why would I buy a X360 (with all the failure reports, the high price - here in Brazil is practicaly the same as the PS3, when its not even more expensive) when I could (and problably) will end having the most interesting games of its library on my PC for less money and being better?

So, IN MY BOOK, if its slated as PC/X360, its not exclusive. I will buy the Pc version if I get interested into it without thinking twice.

Ps- My current Pccan run Crysis, at medium settings. And I am already planning to upgrade it just to play Crysis. (you know, from 2GB DDR 667 ram to 4GBDDR 800, my nvidia 7900GTX to a 8800 GTX or better and so on. maybe even my Core 2Duo E6400 OC to a Quad core.....who knows......and no, I am still thinking about these upgrades, and I do know that this will cost a lot, but interesting enough, not more than buying a X360 or a PS3...while I do understand the high taxes we pay here in Brazil for high tech imports, the PC parts are somehow cheap....yeah, its weird huh)

[QUOTE="Riki101"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Short answer: Microsoft does not own the PC platform. So yes. Shorter answer: yes. More than one platform = multiplat.Vandalvideo

microsoft owns windows and its made for windows, so its still exclusive for them if you buy it, your still supporting microsoft

[QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"]They may not OWN it, but developers are almost forced to develop thier games on a Windows OS, and MS is trying to find a way to have a larger role in PC gaming with "Games for Windows".foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"]They may not OWN it, but developers are almost forced to develop thier games on a Windows OS, and MS is trying to find a way to have a larger role in PC gaming with "Games for Windows".Heil68

[QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]

Okay gathered from your responses...its something like this I guess...

Any other platform = exclusive lost (multiplat)

But it gets muddy when its a MS published game i.e. Halo, Gears(most of you cannot agree on this)

So I guess the PSP did lose some exclusives after all - according to you guys.

smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="FlamingFlamingo"]They may not OWN it, but developers are almost forced to develop thier games on a Windows OS, and MS is trying to find a way to have a larger role in PC gaming with "Games for Windows".Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]

Okay gathered from your responses...its something like this I guess...

Any other platform = exclusive lost (multiplat)

But it gets muddy when its a MS published game i.e. Halo, Gears(most of you cannot agree on this)

So I guess the PSP did lose some exclusives after all - according to you guys.

Heil68

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="rappid_rabbit"]

Okay gathered from your responses...its something like this I guess...

Any other platform = exclusive lost (multiplat)

But it gets muddy when its a MS published game i.e. Halo, Gears(most of you cannot agree on this)

So I guess the PSP did lose some exclusives after all - according to you guys.

Vandalvideo

I mean strictly console speaking...of course it is..

But I mean most games are played on Windows OS PC and we all know what software company runs thats OS.

So if Gears of War published and paid for in part by Microsoft..gets ported over to Windows...which is well published and paid for by Microsoft, is it really an exclusive lost?

Its all kind of staying "in-house" so to speak.

This goes for Lost Planet and other "also available on PC" games.

Its like when GTA VCS and LCS got ported over from PSP to the PS2...I didnt count that as an "exclusive lost" for the PSP

Hermits and Lems shouldnt really argue about exclusive being lost to each other, as they kind of both end up gracing the same companies platform (Microsoft).

I think in terms of consoles its much more painful for PS3 "losing an exclusive" to the 360...then the 360 "losing an exclusive" to the PC

Please dont bother bringing up Linux and Mac OS's for PC gaming because we all know most games being played on a PC are being played on a Windows OS.

What are your thoughts?

P.S. Anybody else picking up "300" for Blu-ray and or HD-DVD? (Im getting the HD-DVD version because I heard it supported better extra features, but both versions will be amazing in HD)

rappid_rabbit

Yes the pc is also a gaming machine so gears of war is now not an xbox 360 exclusive, and mass effect seems it will also be making its way to pc's.