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#52  Edited By Cloud_imperium
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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

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@RoboCopISJesus said:

PC has more sales than all consoles combined.

False.

True . Google it . Both PC hardware and software market have surpassed console revenue .

I'm confused....are you counting every piece of software for PC. B/c you don't have nearly the amount of software for consoles as you do for PC.

So are you counting like MS Office, Turbo Tax, Norton and the like...or just games?

And yeah...since theres nothing hardware wise to buy for consoles theres gonna be more PC sales....thats a no shit statement....and apples and oranges.

1. I am talking about games . PC gaming revenue have surpassed consoles . Even if most of them are generated from online games , we shouldn't forget about casual games on consoles like GTA , FIFA , Madden etc that make billions . If someone thinks majority of console revenue is generated from "Amazing Exclusives" then it is ignorance and laughable .

2. Read point one in bold .

3. PC gaming hardware sales have surpassed consoles . nVIDIA sold more GPUs in 2013 then they ever did in history .

4. Looks like you've edited the comment , where you said Rockstar delayed PC version of GTA (so called "biggest game of last gen" . LOL) . May be you forgot that PS4 and Xbox One version are coming out alongside PC and the game was made primarily for current gen platforms . Anyone with common sense can tell you that . Current gen version uses completely different assets than gimped last gen version .

5. PC is making more money and you can already see the results . Console focused devs that never released their games on PC for ages are bringing their titles back to PC . Recent example is MGS 5 . Hell ,even Tekken 7 is coming to PC and new online shopping centers have listed WWE 2015 for PC . Not to mention upcoming AAA titles like Unreal Tournament , Star Citizen , Everquest Next and so on . I think they are fools to release their games on PC because "it is not profitable" . Every platform gets delayed ports , at least on PC it is worth it because it gets better version . My favorite game of last gen was Mass Effect 2 (yours must be GTA 5) and it was released one year later on PS3 while first game was after 4 years . On other hand you got half assed version of Crysis after 4 years .

You're straight up lying.

Steam doesn't release it's sales and NO ONE buys PC games retail anymore. So thats a load of bullshit...I don't know what world you're living in or what crack pot article you read....but it's shit.

Again....GTA V...you have to wait for. Doesn't fucking matter why. If PC was important to them...they would have released it. What does it matter if it was "along side the next gen release"....so fucking what? They're not going to release a next gen version on PC....so it doens't matter.

So even if we take your theory into account, no they wanted the 7th gen console version to be as good as possible...so they made the master race wait so they could focus on the console version....putting the PC version on the backburner.

And the fact that you think GTA V wasn't the biggest game of last year....makes me laugh. It might not be the most popular or whatever among the "elite" but given the fact that it made history the way it did....almost EVERYFUCKINGBODY bought that game.....

,....except PC gamers.

And Rockstar isn't the only one. CDPR, who PC gamers praise....went to console....Blizzard when to console....Crytek went to console.....

Do you see a trend here? I'm not talking out of my ass.

Consoles....are where the money is.

That shit is a fucking fact of life....whether you want to believe your own manipulation is your delusion..not mine.

I'm not lying . You are just misinformed individual .

http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/pc-games-have-surpassed-console-games-globally/033849

Why , you always become so emotional .?

Again , GTA V will get delayed version of PS4 and Xbox One too and no Wii U version . Wii U , 3DS and Wii are also consoles and when you say "Console revenue" , it includes those devices too . No need to act like they don't exist or PS4 and X1 versions aren't delayed .

Blizzard went to consoles .? Wake me up when Legacy of the Void gets ported to consoles (Which proves my earlier point that games are delayed on consoles too . ehm Diablo 3 , which also sold more on PC ) .

Witcher 3 is primarily PC game , so I don't care if they are making mobile version along with it . As for Crytek . Wake me up when all of their tech demos are available on consoles and are superior .

"Consoles....are where the money is"

That's why Crytek was disappointed by Ryse sales or Portal 2 sold better on PC .? Hmmm , that may be the reason why PC generates more revenue than 5+ consoles .

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@walloftruth said:

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@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

this is why consoles are so far ahead of pc and why pc will never appeal to the casuals. well 1 of the reasons

You want to try and get a refund when buying through XBL? I remember them saying they didn't do refunds.

why would they? all games on xbl are guaranteed to work with the system so its up to the consumer to research the game before buying it instead of bitching to get a refund

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this is why consoles are so far ahead of pc and why pc will never appeal to the casuals. well 1 of the reasons

in what way is console "so far ahead" of PC?

0 compatibility issues, better exclusives, less hassle, cheaper hardware, no messing around with drivers

Okay my turn. PC is better because more AA/AAA, more genres, better and free online, way cheaper games, better performance, better graphics, mods, more options, games live longer than a year, backwards compatibility, upgrading at will, more players etc etc etc.

'PC is better because more AA/AAA'- ok? mostly indie stuff who cares

'more genres' - ill give u this

'better and free online' - better? dont know about that but it is free so ok

'way cheaper games' - true

'better performance' - lol no way can a pc costs same price as console produce better or even equal performance, just accept it

'better graphics' - not for the same price

'mods' - mods suck

'more options' - well there have to be because its not a 1 size fits all like consoles

'games live longer than a year' - depends what game, titanfall just released but its population in comparison to x1 is tiny

'backwards compatibility' - mostly true but not all games are compatible with modern hardware

'upgrading at will' - how is this an advantage?

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#54 speedfreak48t5p
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@lostrib said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

Why would you get refund when you buying game, playing it and then you want refund? You knew what you buying. So you don´t need refund

why do you still post?

Trolls gonna troll

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#55  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@ghostwarrior786 :

  1. 1. Half of PS4's library is indys. Star Citizen and Divinity are indy.... Your opinion has absolutely no bearing on the fact pc has more high rated games every gen.
  2. 2. Yes, better and free online. More online players, more online games, competitive and esports scenes, mods, better twitch scene, faster patching, longer lasting games, more support, etc.
  3. 3. Yes, better gfx and performance.
  4. 4. Mods can suck or be amazing. Bethesda use mod ideas in their subsequent TES game. Mods spawn their own games become successful. Your opinion has no bearing on this.
  5. 5. When your ps4/xbone are struggling for 30fps and 1080p on actual next-gen looking games, on low settings, you'll see why upgrading is a PRO.
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#56 blackace
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@ghostwarrior786 said:

this is why consoles are so far ahead of pc and why pc will never appeal to the casuals. well 1 of the reasons

There are more casual gamers on PC they there are on consoles. Who do you think are playing all those Farmville type games? We don't even want to count the people play casino games. Many of them for real money.

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#57  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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Yeah, I really don't like this about digital downloading.

Steam once had a game THEY described as single player and multiplayer and it turned out to be multiplayer only, and when they gave me a refund they made out as if they were doing me a favour. There needs to be rules I think.

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@ghostwarrior786 said:

@walloftruth said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

this is why consoles are so far ahead of pc and why pc will never appeal to the casuals. well 1 of the reasons

You want to try and get a refund when buying through XBL? I remember them saying they didn't do refunds.

why would they? all games on xbl are guaranteed to work with the system so its up to the consumer to research the game before buying it instead of bitching to get a refund

@lostrib said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

this is why consoles are so far ahead of pc and why pc will never appeal to the casuals. well 1 of the reasons

in what way is console "so far ahead" of PC?

0 compatibility issues, better exclusives, less hassle, cheaper hardware, no messing around with drivers

Okay my turn. PC is better because more AA/AAA, more genres, better and free online, way cheaper games, better performance, better graphics, mods, more options, games live longer than a year, backwards compatibility, upgrading at will, more players etc etc etc.

'PC is better because more AA/AAA'- ok? mostly indie stuff who cares

'more genres' - ill give u this

'better and free online' - better? dont know about that but it is free so ok

'way cheaper games' - true

'better performance' - lol no way can a pc costs same price as console produce better or even equal performance, just accept it

'better graphics' - not for the same price

'mods' - mods suck

'more options' - well there have to be because its not a 1 size fits all like consoles

'games live longer than a year' - depends what game, titanfall just released but its population in comparison to x1 is tiny

'backwards compatibility' - mostly true but not all games are compatible with modern hardware

'upgrading at will' - how is this an advantage?

Mostly indie stuff that no-one cares about? When someone mentions PC AA/AAA they're usually not talking about some retro 2d scroller developed by a hipster neckbeard in his parents basement. ARMA 3, Starcraft 2, Company of Heroes, Simcity, The Sims, Dota 2, Divinity Original Sin, Crusader Kings, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity, Elite Dangerous, Star Citizen are all games with high production values or at least developed by proper dev teams with history and pedigree buy hey, I guess you can discard all of that because of a couple Naughty Dog exclusives right?

Judging from your statement about mods I'd say you're one of those people who think modding is about replacing your character with a Harry Potter skin or some other bullshit... I wish you could spend the day playing Skyrim or Fallout New Vegas on your console and then spend a couple of hours doing the same on exhaustively modded versions of the games on PC. It will literally blow your mind and you'll curse the time you wasted playing the vanilla games on console. Modded GTAIV still looks fantastic to this day and almost photo realistic depending on your ENB + real vehicles+ weapons etc. I'll admit that it will take a few hours to mod your games just right especially Skyrim but the end result is epic.

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#59  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You're straight up lying.

Consoles....are where the money is.

That shit is a fucking fact of life..

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/analyst-pc-gaming-now-brings-in-more-money-than-console-gaming/

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.twitch.tv/pax/c/5027007

Idiot.

I'm done with this shit.

You're so fucking stupid it's aggravating.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/analyst-pc-gaming-now-brings-in-more-money-than-console-gaming/

^ this site you linked....clearly states that MOBAs...MMOs, and F2P games are what make the bulk of the reveneu.

The same fucking thing I've said time and time again....the same thing everyone already knows.

But your ass is too stupid and thinks you can manipulate the story. Now...I'm going to watch football.

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#60  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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@mr_huggles_dog said:
@RoboCopISJesus said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You're straight up lying.

Consoles....are where the money is.

That shit is a fucking fact of life..

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/analyst-pc-gaming-now-brings-in-more-money-than-console-gaming/

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.twitch.tv/pax/c/5027007

Idiot.

^ this site you linked....clearly states that MOBAs...MMOs, and F2P games are what make the bulk of the reveneu.

So? Those are great genres, like any other genre.

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@farrell2k said:

This just demonstrates how backwards hyper-capitalistic American corporations are, and how little its government protects its people in favor of allowing big business to do as it pleases.

Pretty much my feelings... It's good to see a government still taking a stand for it's consumers. Should happen more.

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#62  Edited By clyde46
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:
@RoboCopISJesus said:

@mr_huggles_dog said:

You're straight up lying.

Consoles....are where the money is.

That shit is a fucking fact of life..

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/analyst-pc-gaming-now-brings-in-more-money-than-console-gaming/

http://www.vg247.com/2014/07/12/pc-gaming-hardware-worth-double-console-gaming-market-value-report/

http://www.twitch.tv/pax/c/5027007

Idiot.

^ this site you linked....clearly states that MOBAs...MMOs, and F2P games are what make the bulk of the reveneu.

So? Those are great genres, like any other genre.

I find it amusing that consolites like to pick and choose which argument suits them best. Free to play games are the future.

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#63 deactivated-5fc147aeeb0aa
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@farrell2k said:

This just demonstrates how backwards hyper-capitalistic American corporations are, and how little its government protects its people in favor of allowing big business to do as it pleases.

Valve isn't forcing anybody to use their services. If Americans really cared for a refund policy, they would petition for it.