The Xbox One is struggling because video game exclusives still matter

Of course they matter to an extant. But this non sense in the article about Halo 5 quickly fading from view when it has been shown the population and attachment continues to actually grow for the best FPS MP this gen and yes I played R6S.

Article makes points we here have beaten to death already. But no need to lie.

@ronvalencia: See, was that too hard? Posting the graph on it's own makes for shitty discusion.

I have a ps4 because the games are fucking awesome, not because it sells well.

I would be a bit upset if they were on microsoft's side though considering microsoft is kind of a scummy company relative to other companies.

But yeah, xbox has nothing so all is well.

A picture tells a thousand words. Gamespot link already includes my point i.e. 26 million against 24 million. The graph backs up Gamespot link.

A Gamespot link should have ended 24 million repeated claims, but it doesn't end, hence I posted double sourced statistics against the argument.

PS; I'm waiting for MSI non-reference GeForce GTX 1080 Ti i.e. it's getting too close to the tax cut-off time period and I can't wait for Vega. I'm happy with MSI non-reference cards e.g. low noise caps/vrm experience. I have returned Gigabyte branded R9-290X back to the seller due to caps/vrm noise.

@ronvalencia:

It's amazing that your typed words even read like a graph or chart.

Firstly Wii U and normally be followed by... Nuff said but here I need to go further for the record.... Mod MS/Xbox SmearCapmaign back in full force.

What happened, Bait & Switch sales slow down and you already done with the only game for the system worth a shyt and insult to injury, a multiplat at that. ? lol :P

My point is that the Playstation brand is already associated with a strong first party/exclusive offering so people buy it for the exclusives even when the exclusives are not yet released. They know they're coming because Sony always delivers in the end and supports their consoles for a long time. On the other hand the xbox is known mostly for their HaloGearsForza exclusive content and, as that grows old, the brand also grows old, it's also known that MS support for their consoles gets cut up quickly something that doesn't happen with the Playstation thanks to its variety, quality and renewal in exclusive content.

There are several reasons as to why the Xbox One brand is struggling far behind the PS4 this gen.

1. It started with the messed up launch, the always online used game restrictions, forced Kinect and Mattrick's comments which really damaged the brand image, MS CEO should have acted sooner right after Xbox One reveal.

2. Sony capitalized on the above and did the opposite to generate all of the positive buzz towards their console. So much so, that nobody even cared to complain about a PS Plus paywall being snuck in and quit frankly, it work lol.

3. The price tag reveals at E3 2013 were the nail in the coffin - $499 (Kinect) vs $399. With all the bad press storming the media, plus $100 more expensive and forced Kinect.. Of course people would be turned off, that's something gamers are never gonna forget that.

4. Marketing. The PS4 is everywhere. Look outside your window, there's one sitting in the corner of your street, stalking you. I mean seriously, PS4 has been very well marketed and has been consistently advertising its games, more than MS this gen. Even with major 3rd party titles, all the adverts are of the PS4 version, they rarely or never mention the Xbox.

5. Exclusives. Yes, this matters. It's not the only thing that matters and exclusives aren't the only reason that the PS4 is so far ahead. But they do matter and many of them do sell systems. The PS4 seems to have a mucher larger line-up of good quality exclusives this gen.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not saying PS4 is the better console to own or that nobody shouldn't buy an Xbox One. The topic was about one console struggling vs another. I'm outlining the actual reasons as to why this happened. It wasn't just one thing, it wasn't just magic. A series of events occurred that lead to this. Everyone needs to remember that first impression is last impressions, that's the thing both MS & Done Mattrick forgot about at E3 2013 and that last impression is something that gamers do NOT forget!

And very funny that Sony fanboys were attacking Xbox gamers about losing exclusivity to PC and then saying it didn't count. Now PS4 is losing exclusives to PC and Xbox fans are attacking. I'm neutral in that, I have all systems, PC as well, but people should never stoop as low as the competition. It validates what the competition did.

Again bundles account for 5 days of sales on NPD normal ones all month long,so the bundles sold were minimal.

And stop using the whole 400 million crap even accounting bundles and everything Halo they most need more than 3 or 4 millions units sold in 5 days to get there,and Halo by NPD sold 900k.

Yes i went to look 10 years post by post..Hahahahahahaa

Some of you are pathetic have you heard about google?

Hahhaaha you care about exclusives and now you don't you are a pathetic hypocrite lemming who doesn't care about exclusives now because the xbox one has shit.

Hahahahahahaa............

I don't think exclusives don't matter in the large scheme of things as much as you think, Sony has done really well with sparse noteworthy exclusives since its launch, they've only since made their most noteworthy and dense contributions to that line-up of must have exclusive to their library since launch in these last few weeks. Not to mention, Xbox One has had a number of awesome exclusives and people really don't care for them anywaysl series like Gears and Halo are awesome still, they're just not the killer apps they once were. I'd argue Sony's major advantage is more in line with their superior regional marketing, Microsoft from many I've heard is pretty much invisible in many parts of Europe due to virtually no marketing to speak of. It also doesn't help how much Kinect probably hurt them considering the regional/language support for that, further limiting their marketing focus abroad, and their horrible launch, and the simple momentum this far in the gen is going to cause people who get a console to game on what their friends have, which will be a PS4 in every region. Only in North America is it even close and PS4 still has an advantage there. No, exclusives will only matter for Microsoft insofar as trying to find that killer-app that's going to turn the tides. I highly doubt they'll get one, which is why I think they're shooting for the Scorpio's power in shaping it up for the must have system for multiplats as their only real play they have to change things up. Now, personally, exclusives do matter, I mean, there are many great ones and I love playing them. Heck, it's why I buy every console out there. I still enjoy my Xbox One more, I find the ecosystem much more enjoyable to use, the library management is second only to Steam, and I find their vision of a digital system much more flushed out, even their Movies & TV store and Groove Music makes using my Xbox One the cornerstone of my entertainment experience. This is why I play every multiplat on it, and why I only bother to pay for paid online on it and it alone. I won't lie though, more exclusives wouldn't matter as far as their share of the market goes, but it would mean a great deal to me. And I find it perplexing they waste all kinds of money on things like their NFL fantasy football league app or their Minecraft acquisition but won't put up numbers like that to secure development of big name exclusive titles. Also worth mentioning, maybe their last big regional surge abroad came with the introduction of exclusive content to a multiplat game, those FIFA legends or whatever being exclusive to the Xbox One, that seemed to do a ton of shit, and I don't give two shits about soccer, but heck, I mean, wasn't anything exclusive in your killer app console exclusive traditional title kind of fashion, and it had a major difference, at least for a short brief bit.

As long as there are systems with exclusives, I'll go to those over a system without exclusives. "Console exclusives" is such a bs term, every other system has actual exclusives.

PS4 owners must be laughing their asses off. Their consoles has been on the up and up from day one.

Xbox has been going from left to right since launch. What a shit show. Dump Kinect, dump exclusives, whoopy we'll just keep throwing you new SKUs. Hardware is not that exciting on it's own.

I have no idea why people just don't get a PS4 and a moderately powerful PC. The best of everything with two systems pretty much. How far can the excuse of 'ma couch' actually get you.

I don't even know why there are lems anymore, it's like being a fanboy of a specific dvd player lol. Don't get me wrong, enjoy your gaming device, but there is nothing to fanboy over with the Xbox one.

Halo is so overated. Halo 3 was the only truly awesome one.it was up and down before and after that. Mostly down.

Exactly it's so weird. Lems are supposedly gaming fans but they seem to care more about hardware specs and software features than games. Weirdest gaming fans ever!

No fanboys like yourself are trying to destroy the industry true gamers love . Anyone who comes to a message board every day to knock a gaming product is not conducive to making gaming better. Idiot fanboys are not gamers at all. Real gamers see good in all products and play all products because we ACTUAL like and love gaming!

Pretty much all fanboys SUCK!

Many lems seem to love M$ more than gaming though. They even celebrate when M$ almost destroys and awesome dev like Platinum Games. They're mostly on the side of M$ corporate suits and not developers.

Why? As long as someone is contributing and supporting gaming, it really doesn't matter if they're a fanboy. They're still supporting the industry, unless they're doing piracy.

Being against the Xbox One doesn't even make someone a fanboy imo, it's just like being against something that's redundant. I don't see a problem wih any other system.

So you're using a 3 month time frame as your barometer? HAhahaha what were the sales after 1 year? You're pathetic El Tormented and as I've stated, only an idiot would argue otherwise.....Q in El Tormented and I rest my case

I'll say KZ was average at best because I played the game but we all know YOU didn't. I can form opinions based on real experience, can you? Don't worry el tormented, it's a rhetorical question since we already know the answer to that. I don't look at game scores and base my opinions on those el tormented, I play the games and form my own opinion. Don't you wish you could do the same? All you have to do is upgrade your PC to above 90s spec AND buy a current gen console. Then you'll be able to join and backup your claims without relying on youtube and reviews but until then you'll remain the loser you've always been.

Close to 30 million? I imagine they will be at 40 million at the end of this holiday.

They were at 28 million around the end of last year by most estimates. Do you think they will sell 12 million units in one year? That will be more in a single year than the Xbox One has ever sold.

Then why do you bring up what the majority are saying/playing as evidence in my discussions with you? More than I have pointed out that this doesn't equate fact.

Are you under the assumption what you call "fucking awesome" must apply to all other human beings?

Of course they do. Exclusives are the reason why I always have chosen Playstation over the years. Sony home consoles never disappointed me on that front

Actually disregard. I was thinking we were another year into the generation. The Xbox 360 hit 40 million 5 years in, and MS still says the Xbox One is out pacing it. So not this holiday as I stated.

That's why PS4 is current gen 8 console leader.

Goddamit you just won 2017 king in march. That just transformed SW for me.

There is a different time and place.

People playing a lot of something doesn't have any merit to it's quality or how much we should like it.

However sales plays a part with the business aspect clearly.

MS needs to release more good 1st party games for the Xbox One.

I will continue to use $400 million value since

1. you don't have the authority to dismiss Microsoft's comparison between Halo 4 vs Halo 5

2. your bundle argument is a red herring to the significant digital sales.

1-I don't need any one authority to post facts.

Halo 5 did not sold $400 million dollars to consumer it sold $400 million to retail chains,which where stock with halo games for more than a year,as the rotten meat prices on special edition halo games proved.

2-No is not MS sold few bundles in 5 days most sales were normal ones,and digital sales are not even half of physical ones so stop your damage control.

Quote MS stating that they sold 90% of Halo 5 digitally and you will have a point.

But but but is just 3 months it prove how things were on the very launch when both had nothing.

I played the game to and i say it is good,now your opinion is no better than mine hypocrite so we go to the scores card and since Forza 5 got a freaking 79 it mean it is average at best just like killzone and since you are not an authority in games quite the opposite a desperate butthurt lemming who can't even admit to being a lemm,i say your opinion is irrelevant more people bough Killzone SF than F5 so for those people i don't think it was bad regardless of the score that was already known.

@kingtito said:

Nothing different that what you're doing now. You're butthurt because of the GS score (which is the only score that matters on SWs) so you're trying to bring in other variables.

This is you hypocrite on Forza 5 thread validating gamespot score over meta,on a game back then you haven't play so STFU and spare me your hypocrisy.

Gamespot score F5 9 and meta had it with 79 and you were pretty fast to take gamespot score as the one valid.

1. Digital download sales are NOT stored in warehouse you stupid cow.

2. Again, your argument is red herring to significant digital download revenue sales.

@ronvalencia: Sorry bub but that $400 million was and still is bs, not sure what you're trying to prove here.

Xbox One is struggling because of its initial image. Far too lazy to google the examples and concepts I'm going to use, but think about interviews/meeting anybody for the first time. An interviewer forms an opinion on said candidate long before any of the questions even happen. Xbox One shot itself in the foot during its original unveiling with all the dumb shit they said. Xbox One came out with no momentum compared to PS4 (which said all the right things). If you have no momentum, exclusives won't save the system (Halo 5, Gears, SO, Forza, etc.). Sony established a strong start and maintained that momentum with exclusive games and deals (COD maps for example).

I think Microsoft has gone through hell in attempt to correct those early mistakes. They have also been smart enough to try and differ themselves from the PS4, because if they tried to be the exact same thing, they would lose. Differentiating themselves with backwards compatibility, the game pass, play anywhere, different SKUs (Original vs. Xbox One S and its 4k BR, HDR, etc.) will hopefully work in their favor in the years to come. The Scorpio reveal this year is going to be a critical moment for them. The message needs to be clear (new system or extension of X1) and meet the needs of core gamers. Another misstep like the original X1, and its probably game over.

1-Digital content sold was accounted what wasn't sold was't,digital sales are accounted in the $400 millions as something MS sold,most physical copies were NOT.

The amount of units to reach $400 million in sales is huge,and NPD prove MS did not sold that,and in no place MS claim that digital sales were bigger than physical so even if we double the sames still doesn't come close to $400 millions.

MS did what they always don on holidays stuff the channels.

2-Again you are grasping and spinning,Physical sales are way bigger than digital and MS never claimed other wise.

Your MS ass kissing is a joke the same poster from NPD that you have being quoting on another thread to use for xbox one hardware sales stated Halo 5 sold 900k so yeah it sold badly compare to other halo specially Halo 3 which sold 3.2 million on a 13 or 14 million user base on 2007.

Wasn't bullshit. It's a public traded company, they can't lie about things like sales

1. During year 2015, NPD was NOT counting digital sales.

2. You don't have the authority to make physical sales > digital sales claim as fact.

Try again.

https://gamerant.com/halo-5-sales-launch-numbers/

Additionally, the game has the “highest week one attach rate for a Microsoft first party title on Xbox One” with 12 million hours having been logged in the Halo 5 campaign, while 9 million hours have been logged in the game’s multiplayer with close to 7 million registered users.

7 million registered users playing Halo 5 indicates 7 million sales.

In my opinion exclusives do matter. It is why early on in this generation, I preferred the X1. Now that Sony has both 1st and 3rd party studios making exclusive content for their machine, Sony has my attention. On top of that, MS has given me the opportunity of buying their 1st party games on my pc. This revelation has made their hardware irrelevant to me in the future. I understand that I am not the masses, but MS is saving me money on hardware. On top of that, I don't have to pay for online gaming with their Windows service so it's a win/win.

I don't think this spells doom and gloom for MS in any way though. MS has their fans, and they will continue to buy their hardware.

Haven't you heard Sony is putting it's games up on PS Now for the PC, so the PS4 won't have exclusives either now.

Let's see if you bitch about Sony now, like the way you do about MS.

PlayStation games are so valuable hermits are creaming themselves over day old sloppy seconds.

@charizard1605: If you mean struggling that they'er behind in sales then that's not because of exclusives, it was behind in sales from the very beginning, because of the bad launch and the weaker hardware. The bad launch still has a lot more influence than you think, the more people that have a ps4, the more people that will buy a ps4.

Halo 5 Guardians is still exclusive for XBO. Halo 5 Forge PC build is different from Halo 5 Guardians XBO build. Unknown for Halo 6.

Forza Motorsport 6 XBO is different from Forza Motorsport 6 Apex PC build i.e. it wasn't a direct port.

Forza Motorsport 7 could follow similar pattern as Forza Motorsport 6 XBO vs Forza Motorsport 6 Apex PC difference.

MS is heavily involved with PC OEM hardware sales (e.g. Surface Pro, Surface Book, Surface Studio) along with XBO family device sales.

MS is re-positioning Windows 10+UWP gaming like near 3DO business model with flexible hardware level selection while XBO device family stays with Nintendo style business model. Other large businesses such as VW, GM and Toyota has multiple different brands that targets different market segments.

I can't believe this thread is still going.

If you want to know why the Xbox one is struggling against the PS4 it's very simple to make a thread asking why people who favored the 360 swapped to PS4 this gen.

You can take those responses and compile a reason list lumping like minded responses together and then Chart Man can make us a pie graph.

BOOM: problem solved instead of the back and forth assumptions from both sides.

It won't happen because no one who makes these threads actually cares why it happened.

I highly doubt PS Now will share day one releases with the PS4. You'll get some older games but that's it.

Not to mention they will run worse than on a PS4, you won't own the games, you have to pay monthly to access them and the access is limited to a small percentage of the gaming public considering PSNow is only available in one region. For all intents and purposes they are still exclusive to PS4. Meanwhile all xbone games run better on PC.

Windows 10 is still a Microsoft platform which can scale higher than XBO and Scorpio.

I never said MS didn't have exclusives. In fact I said that early on, X1 was the console to get for quality exclusives and 3rd party support.

Halo 5 is still exclusive, but I haven't played it since the new maps and mode came out during the summer of 2016. Good game, but not quite special to me like the original trilogy. If Halo 6 doesn't come to pc, I could live without playing it. Plus I don't plan on getting rid of my X1, I have too many digital games on it to get rid of it. Plus I love SSO.

I think Forza Apex was a test to get the engine running on UWP without issues prior to launching a full game which they did with FH3. I'm pretty sure Forza 7 will be an Xbox Anywhere title.

I don't think what MS is doing is a bad move, I just don't need to buy another MS console with their new model. I'll buy the games on the Windows store.

At least 90 percent of the people here didn't even read the article. No point in debating.

PC has Forza 6 Apex Premium Edition which has additional content over free Forza 6 Apex which is effectively a large demo.

No it doesn't, don't be ridiculous. Users:Sales ratios never scale 1:1. With your penchant for graphs, ratios, numbers, and other inane statistics, one would think you would know this.

For Halo 5G, it indicates 7 million sales magnitude i.e. to play Halo 5G online, one must have a valid copy of Halo 5G and valid user account.

http://www.windowscentral.com/xbox-live-now-boasts-48-million-active-users-39-million-last-quarter

From Jan 2016, there are 48 million active Xbox Live accounts. The main drivers for 9 million Xbox Live account increase from Q4 2015 to the start of Q1 2016 are Halo 5G and Minecraft.