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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]
The Effects of Computer Use on Eye Health and Vision American
From a Government and University study.
I'm not saying PC gaming is bad, but there are some halth risks associated with it. But Hermits are going to deny this and take it like I insulted their mothers because that's what their PC's are for them. They are the most overly sensitive group on here.
jun_aka_pekto
I would say I am a victim since my eyesight did go bad enough to require corrective lenses. The problem is, my eyes already started to go bad before I ever owned a computer. Most of my gaming back then was on the arcades, Atari VGS/2600, and Intellivision. By the time I touched a computer, the damage was already done.
people dont realize that the lost of eyesight is genetic...seriously its not affected by using a computer and such, its the same as the people who say that shaving makes your beard grow faster next time or that playing basketball makes you taller...they are idiots because they relate an effect with a completly different cause.Couch and controller are more comfy then chair and mouse/keyboard. I know you can play PC from couch with controller *IN THEORY*, but most PC games aren't designed for that type of play and are inferior/impossible to play. Civ 4 springs to mind.locopatho
As i said before its subjective, my very comfy computer chair is just as comfortable as my couch and i play both from my computer chair the majority of the time.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you can play a PC from a couch, since a couch isn't the only comfortable form of seating.
[QUOTE="locopatho"]Couch and controller are more comfy then chair and mouse/keyboard. I know you can play PC from couch with controller *IN THEORY*, but most PC games aren't designed for that type of play and are inferior/impossible to play. Civ 4 springs to mind.Snugenz
As i said before its subjective, my very comfy computer chair is just as comfortable as my couch and i play both from my computer chair the majority of the time.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you can play a PC from a couch, since a couch isn't the only comfortable form of seating.
You can play PC from chair. You can play console from chair or lying down on a couch or in bed. Consoles clearly win there...[QUOTE="Snugenz"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Couch and controller are more comfy then chair and mouse/keyboard. I know you can play PC from couch with controller *IN THEORY*, but most PC games aren't designed for that type of play and are inferior/impossible to play. Civ 4 springs to mind.locopatho
As i said before its subjective, my very comfy computer chair is just as comfortable as my couch and i play both from my computer chair the majority of the time.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you can play a PC from a couch, since a couch isn't the only comfortable form of seating.
You can play PC from chair. You can play console from chair or lying down on a couch or in bed. Consoles clearly win there...Ok... You're not getting it.
[QUOTE="Snugenz"][QUOTE="locopatho"]Couch and controller are more comfy then chair and mouse/keyboard. I know you can play PC from couch with controller *IN THEORY*, but most PC games aren't designed for that type of play and are inferior/impossible to play. Civ 4 springs to mind.locopatho
As i said before its subjective, my very comfy computer chair is just as comfortable as my couch and i play both from my computer chair the majority of the time.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you can play a PC from a couch, since a couch isn't the only comfortable form of seating.
You can play PC from chair. You can play console from chair or lying down on a couch or in bed. Consoles clearly win there... To add another perspective, I recall as a child that I could play consoles comfortably for hours just sitting on the damn floor. I can't imagine doing the same with a keyboard and mouse. Surely it would be awkward cos you've when trying to get your hands to reach the floor to type without hunching over forwards...not leaning forward, but hunching forward.... Come to think of it how the hell would anyone (ergonomically speaking, not just comfort) play games on the PC using a mouse and keyboard in that situation? I know some people are more flexible that others, but many people can't reach their toes comfortably from a sitting on the floor position let alone hold that position for several hours... I do sometimes set my PC up at my TV downstairs and find that when I use the keyboard I have to look away from the TV because reaching down to touch the keyboard and keep an eye on the screen is like doing a stretching exercise. Obviously no one would ever use this position to realistically play PC games (I only use it to set up games that I can then play with a controller). It does show that you can play almost anywhere with consoles (playing on consoles is really not that different ergonomically from playing a handheld tbh).The problem is that some people make it look as if couches are the most comfortable things by default and PC chairs are uncomfortable by default. When the truth is that just some couches and chairs are really comfortable. Also it's ridiculous to argue about a very open system like a PC and try to limit it to a chair.
I'd agree that it doesn't make sense to assume PC = Chair. But if we are using mice and keyboards we need somewhere to put them. In my case I have a very soft couch so using a mouse in it's surface doesn't work that well and using a mouse pad doesn't either because it depresses awkwardly between my weight and the spongey nature of the couch. I could put the two implements on a coffee table but that entails me sitting either at the edge of the couch or leaning forward to get to the height of the coffee table...now I suppose I could just buy another table or put something under it to change it's height and then prop my back up with some pillows but then this is something I am going to have to do every time I want to play games (the arrangement of my house is not geared around supporting playing my pc). With a controller I don't have to alter my lifestyle, or change my layout. Nothing. I pick up the controller, sit absolutely anywhere (at the very least most houses have their living room focused around the tv even if they don't have them focused around a surface for resting a keyboard and mouse) in any position without changing a thing. It's easy and effortless and for me at least, much more comfortable than playing in the position my set up requires of me to use a mouse and keyboard (chained to my desk). For those people who play PC games frequently, they most likely have a set-up that let's them play comfortably. For most ordinary people though, they have the standard TV set-up focus around their living room, adding a game console into the mix here is easy. Put it under the TV. And just play where you would normally sit. If it is comfy enough to watch tv for hours on end (which you do relaxed) then surely it is for playing videogames. If I had PC set-up that made this thing kinda easy then it would be fine, but working a PC into your living room is difficult not least because of the amount of hardware you are bringing in vs a console and the sheer size of the tower (and the logistics of fitting it into a living room...not something everyone can do).The problem is that some people make it look as if couches are the most comfortable things by default and PC chairs are uncomfortable by default. When the truth is that just some couches and chairs are really comfortable. Also it's ridiculous to argue about a very open system like a PC and try to limit it to a chair.
glez13
You can play PC from chair. You can play console from chair or lying down on a couch or in bed. Consoles clearly win there...[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]
As i said before its subjective, my very comfy computer chair is just as comfortable as my couch and i play both from my computer chair the majority of the time.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you can play a PC from a couch, since a couch isn't the only comfortable form of seating.
Snugenz
Ok... You're not getting it.
No I think he gets it. I mean where are your mouse and keyboard when you are using them? You need something to rest them on. I can buy that you can use your keyboard on your lap, but what about the mouse? You can't possible have a place on a chair to reliably rest that (and at a height and angle that is as easy to access as if you were behind a desk). You can't use them lying down either that's for sure...and that is in and of itself a comfort restriction. Comfort is more than just 'feeling comfortable' it's also about not having to be restricted and being able to take comfort in that. I may not for instance shift around in my seat over the next 3 hours. There is comfort however in knowing that I can and absolutely no change is required either in the way I am holding anything or where anything is placed. If I were to do the same with a keyboard and mouse..well I'd have to shift things around a bit.GTFO...just accept that gamers prefer consoles TOO! Gsus sick of these threads. soapandbubbles
Well I'm sick of the PC bashing threads, the ammount of false information is infuriating!
Couch and controller are more comfy then chair and mouse/keyboard. I know you can play PC from couch with controller *IN THEORY*, but most PC games aren't designed for that type of play and are inferior/impossible to play. Civ 4 springs to mind.locopatho
But what about games that aren' RTS and MMOs? Obviously if you play games that can actually operate well with a controller, I find it strange that you bring up a type of genre that is barely on consoles and barely played as a defense, if people treat their PC like a console games wise then theyll find plenty of games with controller support.
And that is a fact.
first of all: PC chairs arent bad to sit on, they arent uncomfortable for your ass unless its a chair from the 80s or something like that, and barely anyone ever sits laying back on a couch/chair. most people sit and bend forward so that their backs are not laying against the back of the chair/couch. while in this bent position, you rest your arms/elbows in the desktop, which is good because that way your spine doesnt need to support the whole weight of your body like it does in a couch. you are distributing weight more evenly.
as for laying in the bed...dont even get me started, playing on a bed is extremely uncomfortable and in less than 10 minutes you'll be changing position because you'll actually start feeling discomfort, it takes much more effort to lift your neck and bend your torso a bit (which is the position you are on while playing on a bed) than just sitting in a COMFORTABLE chair with most of your body weight resting in other place.
the argument is flawed consolites, stop using it.
lightleggy
Think about your argument. In order to get comfortable playing with a PC, you need to go out and spend even more money on something because you can't just game on a couch or chair unless it's a laptop. With a console. if you're not comfortable, you can get up and move somewhere else.
Also, leaning forward is actually WORSE for your spine. It bends it in an unusual position for extended periods of time.
[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]GTFO...just accept that gamers prefer consoles TOO! Gsus sick of these threads. Stalkerfieldsis
Well I'm sick of the PC bashing threads, the ammount of false information is infuriating!
blame the PC fanboys who constantly spread hate towards console with their silly graphics threads and GPU nonsense.[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"][QUOTE="soapandbubbles"]GTFO...just accept that gamers prefer consoles TOO! Gsus sick of these threads. soapandbubbles
Well I'm sick of the PC bashing threads, the ammount of false information is infuriating!
blame the PC fanboys who constantly spread hate towards console with their silly graphics threads and GPU nonsense. prasing PC gaming=/= bashing console gaming[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Snugenz"]You can play PC from chair. You can play console from chair or lying down on a couch or in bed. Consoles clearly win there... To add another perspective, I recall as a child that I could play consoles comfortably for hours just sitting on the damn floor. I can't imagine doing the same with a keyboard and mouse. Surely it would be awkward cos you've when trying to get your hands to reach the floor to type without hunching over forwards...not leaning forward, but hunching forward.... Come to think of it how the hell would anyone (ergonomically speaking, not just comfort) play games on the PC using a mouse and keyboard in that situation? I know some people are more flexible that others, but many people can't reach their toes comfortably from a sitting on the floor position let alone hold that position for several hours... I do sometimes set my PC up at my TV downstairs and find that when I use the keyboard I have to look away from the TV because reaching down to touch the keyboard and keep an eye on the screen is like doing a stretching exercise. Obviously no one would ever use this position to realistically play PC games (I only use it to set up games that I can then play with a controller). It does show that you can play almost anywhere with consoles (playing on consoles is really not that different ergonomically from playing a handheld tbh).As i said before its subjective, my very comfy computer chair is just as comfortable as my couch and i play both from my computer chair the majority of the time.
It has nothing to do with whether or not you can play a PC from a couch, since a couch isn't the only comfortable form of seating.
Articuno76
Uh put the keyboard in your lap and leave the mouse to the side...................
[QUOTE="lightleggy"]
And that is a fact.
first of all: PC chairs arent bad to sit on, they arent uncomfortable for your ass unless its a chair from the 80s or something like that, and barely anyone ever sits laying back on a couch/chair. most people sit and bend forward so that their backs are not laying against the back of the chair/couch. while in this bent position, you rest your arms/elbows in the desktop, which is good because that way your spine doesnt need to support the whole weight of your body like it does in a couch. you are distributing weight more evenly.
as for laying in the bed...dont even get me started, playing on a bed is extremely uncomfortable and in less than 10 minutes you'll be changing position because you'll actually start feeling discomfort, it takes much more effort to lift your neck and bend your torso a bit (which is the position you are on while playing on a bed) than just sitting in a COMFORTABLE chair with most of your body weight resting in other place.
the argument is flawed consolites, stop using it.
WiiCubeM1
Think about your argument. In order to get comfortable playing with a PC, you need to go out and spend even more money on something because you can't just game on a couch or chair unless it's a laptop. With a console. if you're not comfortable, you can get up and move somewhere else.
Also, leaning forward is actually WORSE for your spine. It bends it in an unusual position for extended periods of time.
So spending $40-$50 on a decent computer chair (this price is normal even armless chairs these days) is expensive when a couch cost way more then that do?
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up.
[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]
[QUOTE="lightleggy"]
And that is a fact.
first of all: PC chairs arent bad to sit on, they arent uncomfortable for your ass unless its a chair from the 80s or something like that, and barely anyone ever sits laying back on a couch/chair. most people sit and bend forward so that their backs are not laying against the back of the chair/couch. while in this bent position, you rest your arms/elbows in the desktop, which is good because that way your spine doesnt need to support the whole weight of your body like it does in a couch. you are distributing weight more evenly.
as for laying in the bed...dont even get me started, playing on a bed is extremely uncomfortable and in less than 10 minutes you'll be changing position because you'll actually start feeling discomfort, it takes much more effort to lift your neck and bend your torso a bit (which is the position you are on while playing on a bed) than just sitting in a COMFORTABLE chair with most of your body weight resting in other place.
the argument is flawed consolites, stop using it.
NoodleFighter
Think about your argument. In order to get comfortable playing with a PC, you need to go out and spend even more money on something because you can't just game on a couch or chair unless it's a laptop. With a console. if you're not comfortable, you can get up and move somewhere else.
Also, leaning forward is actually WORSE for your spine. It bends it in an unusual position for extended periods of time.
So spending $40-$50 on a decent computer chair (this price is normal even armless chairs these days) is expensive when a couch cost way more then that do?
Well, you do have a point. I could argue sitting on the floor, but that's kind of uncomfortable unless you do it all the time.
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up.
Evo_nine
Most of my friends are married with families. Most have their guard up because being the family man, they have to set the example which can take its toll. When you gather a bunch of them together, they let down their guard down and do the obnoxious things us guys do like belching and farting and just plain being rowdy. I honestly wouldn't want them next to me especially when one has a specially noxious fart. One will even point his bums at me and let loose.
Do I really want these guys next to me? Nah. I rather have them in a LAN-fest where each one or two has a room to set up their PCs on. I'm also more individualistic. The last time I wanted friends next to me was when I was a teen. When I was single and had my own pad, I didn't want anyone trashing it. Even my kid is showing the same trend. Before, she and her friends were always gathered around in the family room. Now, they prefer their own rooms and their own stuff.
[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up.
jun_aka_pekto
Most of my friends are married with families. Most have their guard up because being the family man, they have to set the example which can take its toll. When you gather a bunch of them together, they let down their guard down and do the obnoxious things us guys do like belching and farting and just plain being rowdy. I honestly wouldn't want them next to me especially when one has a specially noxious fart. One will even point his bums at me and let loose.
Do I really want these guys next to me? Nah. I rather have them in a LAN-fest where each one or two has a room to set up their PCs on. I'm also more individualistic. The last time I wanted friends next to me was when I was a teen. When I was single and had my own pad, I didn't want anyone trashing it. Even my kid is showing the same trend. Before, she and her friends were always gathered around in the family room. Now, they prefer their own rooms and their own stuff.
Well i assume you are the small minority.
Nothing better than fifa night.
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up.
Evo_nine
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up
Evo_nine
1. Yes I have Lans pretty much every weekend. Whoever wants to come along just brings their PC. Most of them have laptops, so its not that hard. Even a desktop takes 5 mins to set up.
2. No. Its actually more complicated and difficult to set up for consoles. Especially if you have more than 4 people. You need to organise controllers, TVs, Xbox live accounts (Cause I only know like 1 person with a PS3), guest accounts yaddah yaddah yaddah.
Then there is the quality of gameplay when playing 4 person split screen. Laggy gameplay with especially bad graphics on a tiny screen with others around it doing the same thing. Whereas on Pc everyone has their own space and own screen. Much better.
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up.
Evo_nine
*invites friends over*
*Have them go to the living room*
*Start up Serious Sam 3 BFE and have a blast*
[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up
Iantheone
1. Most of them have laptops, so its not that hard. Even a desktop takes 5 mins to set up.
2. You need to organise controllers.
Organising controllers?? how hard can that be. Let me illustrate.
Mate 1) Hi mate, you want to play fifa?
Mate 2) Yes.
Mate1) Here you go *hands over controller*
Youre assuming all gamers play FPS. What you if you like sports games? no chance in hell my mates will bring over their friggen computer to play it over lan lol let alonehave them all sitaround my computer desk.
No one I know has 4 controllers. Most of them have 1 or 2 at most and then you need to cater for the people who don't have controllers. When we get together we play FPSs, so waht? If we want to play a sport game we will just play outsideYoure assuming all gamers play FPS. What you if you like sports games? no chance in hell my mates will bring over their friggen computer to play it over lan lol let alone sit as my computer desk.
Evo_nine
[QUOTE="Iantheone"]
[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]
Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up
Evo_nine
1. Most of them have laptops, so its not that hard. Even a desktop takes 5 mins to set up.
2. You need to organise controllers.
Organising controllers?? how hard can that be. Let me illustrate.
Mate 1) Hi mate, you want to play fifa?
Mate 2) Yes.
Mate1) Here you go *hands over controller*
Youre assuming all gamers play FPS. What you if you like sports games? no chance in hell my mates will bring over their friggen computer to play it over lan lol let alonehave them all sitaround my computer desk.
You can do the samething on a PC......
So in other words, you're too stupid and it's too difficult for you to play PC. Is that what you're saying?Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up.
Evo_nine
[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]So in other words, you're too stupid and it's too difficult for you to play PC. Is that what you're saying?Ever had your mates over to play PC? no, its stupid/difficult too much trouble, only hard core geeks would be interested
Ever had your mates over to play xbox/ps3? yes, easiest thing in the world even for amateurs.
Not only are pc's uncomfortable, they are designed for social outcasts
consoles win,give up.
DragonfireXZ95
PC's are designed for social outcasts. I take it you are one.
I actually feel much more comfortable playing on my PC than playing my console. I don't need to change position in front of my PC, while on my couch, after a while, I will typically start moving around, wiggling...
I suppose it all depends on your personal furniture. My living room's furniture was bought and set up around the idea of watching films. Whereas I bought my PC furniture keeping in mind that it had to be super comfy for gaming.
milannoir
I keep falling asleep on my couch ;)
[QUOTE="Evo_nine"]we want to play a sport game we will just play outsideYoure assuming all gamers play FPS. What you if you like sports games? no chance in hell my mates will bring over their friggen computer to play it over lan lol let alone sit as my computer desk.
Iantheone
OK.......
:S
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