The Division 2: PC Tech & Xbox One X Comparison

yes, spot on.. Gears 4 multiplayer is indeed 4k/60 via dynamic scaling.. what are you even talking about at this point?.. I literally said "dynamic" in my prediction about Gears of War 4 and ended up underpredicting the native 4K that resulted in the singleplayer campaign..

and vague?.. I was very detailed and clear in everything I expected from the console, hence the fact that I started the statement with "to be clear".. this was an obvious effort to clarify any previous or subsequent statements that could have been taken out of context.. y'know kind of like you do with all your selective screengrabs..

it's not my fault you've mentally re-wrote history and now you're actually believing your own crap..

@xhawk27: Bu bu bu.... When it released... You're wrong, take your L like a man.

You X haters should have taken the L last year but you didn't. LOL

But I'm talking about the whole package. A console is not only a GPU, it's the whole package. Power source, GPU, CPU, controller, HDMI cable, motherboard, ram, HDD, the console is a package that has everything needed to run a game.

With a PC you have to buy all this and you CAN'T get all this in the PS4~X1X price range that will run games on par or better than those machines.

The GPU vs Console comparison is not a valid one because one is a complete package, the other is just a graphics card.

Again, get a clue.

@xhawk27: Why would I take an L? I didnt say anything wrong. Don't get mad because you said some stupid stuff and got checked.

@true_link: I don't care what you're talking about, you jumped into my discussion. Take your L, crybaby who can't read.

I did no such thing. I said to play the best version on the PC would require a Videocard that costs three times as much as the X1X. The X1X plays the best Console version.

@SecretPolice said:

I love a good backfire...

Lolol :P

I don't necessary agree but as always I gotta a good laugh at this. lol thanks.

@xhawk27: Lol, thats not even true either... You make dumb statements.

So you resorted to ad hominem because you know I'm right. You can claim your victory all you want, you're still wrong.

You can't have a $500 PC that runs games better or on par with the X1X. That is simply the truth, whether you like it or not.

PC fannies, always distorting things to make it go their way, they're still wrong.

yeah you can. Its been done countless times but you fanboys like to throw irrelevant s***t on pc build like blue ray to make it seem more expensive . Also news flash games are also optimized for pc and when a developer does a good job a pc with RX 580 is as good if not better than the X ( just see forza horizon 4 benchmarks where the rx 580 is able to play the game at 4k at the same settings as the X at 40-45fps and even an RX 570 is able to maintain 30fps minimum at all times )

Low/medium/high/ultra settings scale very differently than they used to. Textures, polygon count in geometry, object detail and effects are generally the same throughout the entire low-ultra range. Draw distance, shadow detail, volumetric light voxels and tessellation are usually drawn back the most. This makes the Xbox one X still look decently good, with pixel peeping like DigitalFoundry does, being necessary to see the differences for most effects. In the Division 2's case tessellation and draw distance were sacrificed and so the difference can be quite pronounced in certain areas, but not on a generational leap kind of scale as low to ultra used to be. That's why you see quite a few users above still praising the Xbox one X visuals, despite it's shortcomings.

And concerning the Xbox one X price. During it's launch year, the crypto mining business was skyrocketing. Midrange GPU's prices got inflated, RX580's went for over 300$ and were hard to come by. The Xbox one X was a better deal at that time than it is perhaps today, but even today you get the console with extra controllers, games, a month game pass+Xbox live and that for 450$.

The fact that a console can handle 4K 60fps in certain titles and that with very good graphics is hurting the superiority complex that fanboys suffer from. It is true that most native 4k titles run at 30fps (Anthem, Gears 5, Metro Exodus, Red Dead Redemption 2, FF15, The Witcher 3, Assassin's Creed, DMC 5, etc etc) but there are many exceptions with 60fps modes being offered as well and sometimes even at near 4k resolutions (Battlefront 2, Halo MCC, Titanfall 2, Forza 7, Apex Legends etc etc).

The masses can now taste something only the 'elite gamers' once benefited from, and that hurts. There is always a climbing ladder with the feeling of superiority in the fanboy world: but there is the law of diminishing returns. Those diminishing returns will be the greatest the upcoming generation, but have mostly been met with these mid gen refresh consoles. Beyond 60fps at beyond 4k and the increasing benefits become marginal at best. PC fan's arguments used to be about 1080p ultra settings 60fps, then it became about 4k 30fps, then it became about 4k 60fps, and I am sure next generation it will be about having 120/240fps 4k over the 60fps consoles offer with a higher setting of raytracing. That last statement about 120/240fps is beneficial if you'd be an e-sport player needing such frame-rates, but even those players turn down their settings to low so they can focus more on the gameplay without graphical distractions.

Fact of the matter is, with this mid gen refresh consoles have neared PC settings so closely that I can only argue that Ray Tracing, shadow detail and higher framerates at 1080p are still decent improvements PC currently has over consoles, even if consoles are starting to offer many 60fps modes in their games already. Besides, even if the PC is the main platform of development for certain upcoming games, they will still be designed with consoles in mind. Furthermore, console exclusives can look graphically ahead of the most PC games, look at RDR2 or God of War or Horizon Zero Dawn. It's hard to accept, but the difference between console and pc will never be as pronounced as the era of Crysis. Thankfully so, everyone should be able to experience high end entertainment without breaking their savings account.

The Division 2 could have seriously used a 1080p 60fps mode on consoles. This kind of issue is for the next generation consoles to address with thier new Ryzen CPU's, and by then the only true difference between console and pc is whether you would like to become a pro or not, or whether you prefer mouse and keyboard over controller. Looks like Xbox One will improve Mouse+KB support as well, so what was once an objective difference is subjective at best. Unless we speak about games as a subscription service, which is probably where the industry is heading towards and this is where you can argue where value lies in the future.

@true_link: Lol, imagine being butthurt about pc as much as you. Whats the matter? You broke, kid?

Edit: You got some thin skin too, kid.

No, you can't. Specially new games. You can't buy a CPU, GPU, Power Source, Motherboard, RAM, KBM that will run all games at 1080p at $500, it's not feasible no matter how hard you try, it just isn't possible.

So the best Console version isn't on the X1X? lol

No, I just enjoy tearing you PC fannies apart, just like I'm doing right now. ;)

@xhawk27 said:

@BassMan said:

@xhawk27 said:

@BassMan said:

X1X "Premium product" "Most powerful console" "Power of the cloud"...

To play the best on PC you need a videocard that costs three times as much as the X.

You don't need to have the best to beat X1X. Even a cheap PC can deliver a proper 60fps experience at 1080p. Something X1X is not even capable of with all games.

Oh I forget to add the X came out a year and half ago. So tell me a a PC for $400 that can beat the X using parts that came out in fall 2017? If Devs start to optimize for only the X it easily could.

Someone else can put together a budget build for you. I don't pay too much attention to cheap shit. As for optimizing... The CPU is absolute trash in the X1X and it bottlenecks games. That is why it can't run games properly at 1080p and is not worth anything to me. Better off putting that $400 or whatever it costs towards a gaming PC.

@xhawk27: No, the X certainly does give the best low settings/30 fps experience possible on consoles.

Yeah but the X has something really great..... 8K Skyboxes. lol

Still can't have a X1X level PC at $500.

Still can't have a PS4 level PC at $300.

lol.

@xhawk27: They're beautiful.

@true_link: I never made that claim lol, you love owning yourself.

Still not feasible lmao.

@true_link: Ok? Also why you flagging? Guess I was right about that thin skin huh, alt boy.

Still can't do it, lmao.

so much consoles tears n salt here

now they change topic to budget PC

LOL

@true_link: You enjoying your L?

@fedor: Still not reachable. ROFL

@true_link: Sure, but why are you broke, alt boy? Why you moving the goalposts now, alt boy? Why we talking budget pc's?

And you still have games that struggle to maintain 30FPS on any console and still have games that can't match PC on Ultra settings.

You get what you pay for.

I'm glad we agree and you finally took the L on that matter. ;)

@true_link: It wasn't a issue with me. Here's a fun fact, Div 2 is objectively best played on pc.

Well its done countless times but here you go

I can probably do better if i search more shops but whatever

ryzen 3 2200g 100. I can probably go lower and aim at that 30fps cinematic console experience

RX 570 163. Sure is a bit slower but with some overclocking is some games you will be a bit better off thanks to the much superior CPU on pc in others a bit worse off

Gigabyte B450 75

8gb DDR4 47 . Ram prices came crashing down lately

80 plus bronze psu

Case 28

500GB HD 23

Gaming KB+M combo 27

Total 476 or if you want to add an rx 580 instead 570 to match the X exactly add another 30

And here is a tip you can legally download and install completely free windows 10 and never buy them. You will be missing some customization options but other than that is

Also there is Devil May Cry and RE 2 remake for free with that GPU

Yes, that is absolutely true. I don't think anyone will argue with this, obviously a $1000 hardware will perform better than a $300 hardware. You have GPUs alone that are more expensive than the PS4 or the X1X.

But the struggling part is debatable, if the devs commit to optmize the game, it'll maintain 30fps. Compromises have to be made, it's only natural.

@true_link: L

Its not debatable, games are literally being released not being able to have stable 30FPS even on the X1X.

What the dev's should/could or can't do is not the subject the point is what we get... And if you get a console your going to play a lot of games 30FPS and some will struggle to hit 30FPS and a lot of games will be running a lower than high settings on PC. That is just what you get right now for the money.

Don't get me wrong I have no problem with consoles, I played 360 to death and NGC and my Switch but they are all POS in comparison to PC graphics/performance.

30 fps on low vs 60 fps on high.

"BUT TEH HUMEN EYE!"

@true_link said:

But I'm talking about the whole package. A console is not only a GPU, it's the whole package. Power source, GPU, CPU, controller, HDMI cable, motherboard, ram, HDD, the console is a package that has everything needed to run a game.

With a PC you have to buy all this and you CAN'T get all this in the PS4~X1X price range that will run games on par or better than those machines.

The GPU vs Console comparison is not a valid one because one is a complete package, the other is just a graphics card.

Again, get a clue.

Hello fresh Anti-PC alt #40922300

Why are you mad at a distant 2nd place?

What????

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CT6ZbX

Is that so? Go to "PC Park Picker" and we'll show you what a $500 PC can give you. But remember, you get what you pay for. I'd take a $500 PC build over a console such as Xbox One X any day for it's free online and open-platform freedom.

That's the developer's choice. They can add an option to play in high settings at 1440p if they want to. If they don't, it's not because the xbox hardware is not capable of it.

I personally think developers should give consumers more options so they can enjoy their game how they want. That's the benefit of the PC, you can customize your graphics to your heart's content. With console you have to settle for what the developer provides.

Far Cry 5 4K shows X1X beating RX-580 and GTX 1060.

Forza Motorsport 7 high alpha wet scenes shows X1X beating RX-580 and GTX 1060.

Forza Horizon 4 has toned down FM7's high alpha wet scenes.

Bruh... I've never seen someone exhibit reading comprehension issues when it comes to SOMETHING THEY WROTE. You said that games that were using a dynamic resolution on base hardware, like the dynamic 1080p/60 used in Gears 4, would be 4K/30 in single player and 4K/60 in multiplayer. For the Gears 4 multiplayer to hit 60 fps, they had to drop from native 4K resolution. Your prediction was wrong.

Yikes

@Antwan3K: As for cows, well they are ridiculing the power of the xbox one x, but what else are they supposed to do? They no longer have the most powerful console and they are waiting and waiting for the PS5 announcement... Which will probably disappoint them. Some fanboys are even expecting a 8k monster. Imagine the hardware required to run The Division at 8k 60fps Ultra settings!

As for PC owners with 2080 cards, well they have a much better reason to sniff at the xbox one x, but they also paid a lot more for their gaming system.

The xbox one x is currently my fave gaming system, while my PS4 is getting more and more neglected and only used for exclusives.

Vega 56 OC at 1550 Mhz to ~1583 Mhz (11.35TFLOPS) with 484 GB/s memory bandwidth which the same as Vega 64's.

Vega's Rapid Pack Math is not used.

Damn... Backfire...

a nasty one at that. lolol :P

From ultra to dirt low there is a huge gap.

So the 1070 pulling just 5 frame less in Ultra is quite something.

TRUE 4k. (Check on this game)

The fastest FRAMES. (lol30)

NO COMPROMISES. (low settings) compromise.

So you can continue rewriting the English language as usual.