Team Meat says Kinect is garbage.

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#1 Nintendonly
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Super Meat Boy developer Team Meat has said that the Xbox Kinect is "garbage" and a "joke."

Speaking toEurogamerabout what he'd like to see in the next generation of consoles, Edmund McMillen got straight to the point, "Just give me my f***ing game pad back."

McMillen first explained his thoughts on the Wii: "The Wii came and went and it had the motion-sensing thing. The only game that was really good was the game that was made by Nintendo for the system, that came with the system – Wii Sports.

"Any game after that, and please anybody chime in and tell me the games that I'm missing here, because I've played a lot of Wii games and there's not one Wii game other than Wii Sports that actually uses these controls and makes the game fun because of it.

"When it comes down to it, if Nintendo is the only one that is able to come up with awesome ideas for the peripheral, then I really doubt anyone else is going to."

McMillen then launched an attack on the Kinect: "The same goes for Kinect. That thing is a piece of garbage. There is absolutely nothing good for it. It's a joke. It's a f***ing joke. It doesn't make any f***ing sense. It's painful because they justify it by saying 'a lot of people bought it', but that's just marketing. I'm telling you, there's not going to be anything for it that's so compelling that 10 years from now you'll tell your friends 'wow, I really want to break out the Kinect and play this'. It's just not going to happen."


http://techtroids.com/team-meat-kinect-is-a-fing-joke-2540


I disagree with their stance on the Wii, though.

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#2 Arach666
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They ain´t wrong.

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#3 BigBoss154
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Bet that'll piss MS off after all they did for Team Meat. :P

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#4 Vyse_Legends
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...I just noticed that "Team" is "Meat" spelled backwards!:o

And yeah I don't care for Kinect.:P

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#5 nintendoboy16
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They also found only two fun games on the Wii. Jeez, Team Meat you wanted Super Meat Boy on the Wii (but you couldn't due to Ninty's limit, which is understandable) first and you upright bash that too? WTF!

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#6 lawlessx
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They also said piracy is cool :wink:
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#7 arad96
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They are correct too.

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#8 Nintendonly
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...I just noticed that "Team" is "Meat" spelled backwards!:o

And yeah I don't care for Kinect.:P

Vyse_Legends

No it isn't, read what you typed again, but it is an anagram.

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#9 Heil68
Member since 2004 • 60714 Posts

They ain´t wrong.

Arach666
Nope, they got that 100% right. MS please take note.
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#10 xXCombatWombat
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This man speaks the truth. My sentiments exactly.

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#11 noxboxlive
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Do they want a cookie or somthing? We have known this for ages.

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#12 donalbane
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A "let's all dogpile on Kinect" thread. I'm shocked!
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#13 madskills6117
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I guess bad publicity is better then no publicity.

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#14 Heil68
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A "let's all dogpile on Kinect" thread. I'm shocked!donalbane
Maybe when a developer states the obvious people will take note. We can only hope.
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#15 Vyse_Legends
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[QUOTE="Vyse_Legends"]

...I just noticed that "Team" is "Meat" spelled backwards!:o

And yeah I don't care for Kinect.:P

Nintendonly

No it isn't, read what you typed again, but it is an anagram.

That's theone I was looking for.:P

Sorry I just kinda woke up.:lol:

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#16 xXCombatWombat
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A "let's all dogpile on Kinect" thread. I'm shocked!donalbane

I would be even more shocked if it was a lets all defend Kinect thread! :P

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#17 Nozizaki
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FPS controls best on Wii, IMO. I still don't like Kinect, too expensive and not enough good usage.

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#18 emorainbo
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Team Meat? Sounds like a video I watched on Redtube.
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#19 AAllxxjjnn
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Because having different types of games and ways to control games is bad.
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#20 Badosh
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Well thanks Team Meat for telling me something I already knew.
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#21 abuabed
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It is indeed.
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#22 205212669269561485377169522720
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Dance Central isn't garbage, but people should understand that core games are probably going to be very slim in the future for such a device.:P The device isn't meant for hard-headed people either, you need an open mind to accept games in different forms, even if it makes you look like a jackass at times.:P

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#23 PurpleMan5000
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Somebody should introduce those guys to Wii Sports Resort. That makes TWO games!
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#24 EggHeadMan
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I agree

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#25 balfe1990
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Pointless thread when there is no System Warring to be done.

Everyone agrees.

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#26 alexside1
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Amazing that the users here suck up the game devs statement like it was juice bottle and ignore (as the other user pointed out) that they think piracy is ok. That is some major hypocrisy showing here.
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#27 Jagged3dge
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Really? Was only the anti-Kinect part read by people here.? Or do you all also agree that only Wii sports is good for the Wii?

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#28 heretrix
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Who cares what they think. They talk too goddamn much. Go make another game.

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#29 1stPlaceWinner
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Well they arent wrong, it only has like on great game and that was like a year ago.
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#30 emorainbo
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Amazing that the users here suck up the game devs statement like it was juice bottle and ignore (as the other user pointed out) that they think piracy is ok. That is some major hypocrisy showing here.alexside1
so if I don't agree with their stance on piracy that means I automatically disagree with their stance on kinect?
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#31 PurpleMan5000
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Really? Was only the anti-Kinect part read by people here.? Or do you all also agree that only Wii sports is good for the Wii?

Jagged3dge
They said that only Wii Sports makes good use of the motion controls. I disagree because Wario Ware Smooth Moves and Wii Sports Resort also were pretty good, but I can't really think of any other games where the motion controls didn't feel tacked on. Skyward Sword looks like it will be good, but I can't say without playing it first.
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#32 rumbalumba
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...I just noticed that "Team" is "Meat" spelled backwards!:o

And yeah I don't care for Kinect.:P

Vyse_Legends

and i realized spelling is not your strongest subject.

on topic, Kinect is garbage and a waste of money. $150 for something crappy? i'd rather buy something else.

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#33 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="donalbane"]A "let's all dogpile on Kinect" thread. I'm shocked!xXCombatWombat

I would be even more shocked if it was a lets all defend Kinect thread! :P

Yep, after what MS did to Team Meat in this economic climate where indie developers have it harsh enough i think MS deserve the backlash.
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#34 gamer-adam1
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and a year later they will say Kinect is awesome

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[QUOTE="Jagged3dge"]

Really? Was only the anti-Kinect part read by people here.? Or do you all also agree that only Wii sports is good for the Wii?

PurpleMan5000

They said that only Wii Sports makes good use of the motion controls. I disagree because Wario Ware Smooth Moves and Wii Sports Resort also were pretty good, but I can't really think of any other games where the motion controls didn't feel tacked on. Skyward Sword looks like it will be good, but I can't say without playing it first.

Because Metroid Prime 3, Goldeneye and Conduit definetely felt tacked on.

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#36 GD1551
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McMillen first explained his thoughts on the Wii: "The Wii came and went and it had the motion-sensing thing. The only game that was really good was the game that was made by Nintendo for the system, that came with the system – Wii Sports.

"Any game after that, and please anybody chime in and tell me the games that I'm missing here, because I've played a lot of Wii games and there's not one Wii game other than Wii Sports that actually uses these controls and makes the game fun because of it.

"When it comes down to it, if Nintendo is the only one that is able to come up with awesome ideas for the peripheral, then I really doubt anyone else is going to."

Nintendonly

I 100% agree with this. The motion controls really did not make the games anymore fun. Infact they did the opposite of that and hindered the experience at times. To be fair though SMG made decent use of the motion controls as well.

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#37 GD1551
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Really? Was only the anti-Kinect part read by people here.? Or do you all also agree that only Wii sports is good for the Wii?

Jagged3dge

He never said that, he said that wii sports was the only game that was actually fun due to the use of motion controls.

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#38 rumbalumba
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and a year later they will say Kinect is awesome

gamer-adam1

why would they? it's not like the hardware is capable of getting better through firmware upgrades. it'll stay crappy after a year, and people will realize it's yet another glorified, expensive, unnecessary thing for the 360. oh, where did the HD-DVD add-on for the 360 go? the one where peoepl ahd to pay an arm and a leg to get, only to be slapped in the face because 360 was trying too hard to become a "multimedia" device. what about those 499 Wireless G adapters? those were a joke as well.

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#39 DerekLoffin
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He speaks the truth. You could easily add Move to the garbage list too.
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#40 Funconsole
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Someone should tell him no one took away the gamepad...
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#41 GunSmith1_basic
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Who cares what they think. They talk too goddamn much. Go make another game.

heretrix
lol can't they do both. It takes less than a minute to say an opinion. It's not like they sit around all day and brood about tech they don't like while their next game gets shelved
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#42 heretrix
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Someone should tell him no one took away the gamepad...Funconsole
Shhsh. It's hilarious when people try too hard to cater to a particular set of people and say idiotic things to seem edgy.

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#43 rumbalumba
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He speaks the truth. You could easily add Move to the garbage list too.DerekLoffin

LOLWUT. Move is an alternate controller for a ton of games. Kinect, you can't really use it as its individual, standalone controller for the core titles. there's a difference.

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#44 meetroid8
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He seems completely ignorant about the Wii, but Kinect is a joke.
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#45 nintendoboy16
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He seems completely ignorant about the Wii, but Kinect is a joke. meetroid8
To think they wanted Meat Boy on Wii...

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#46 GD1551
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He seems completely ignorant about the Wii, but Kinect is a joke. meetroid8

How so?

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#48 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Incoming Kinect exclusive from Team Meat.
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#49 APiranhaAteMyVa
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He isn't too wrong, Nintendo and other devs only made a handful of games that made use of the wiimote properly such as Zack and Wiki and boom blox I don't think could be done on a game pad and the controller did somewhat make the experience, other games are inconsistent with controls like SMG collecting star bits could only really be done with the wiimote, but at the same time the waggle attacks sucked.

I don't have a problem with these companies trying to find alternative controls though, as the gamepad and to a lesser extent mouse/keyboard I think could be improved on, but with what I don't yet know. I don't think the replacement needs to be gimmicky and have the person performing actions or anything but I think accuracy and efficiency could be improved on.

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#50 meetroid8
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[QUOTE="meetroid8"]He seems completely ignorant about the Wii, but Kinect is a joke. GD1551

How so?

Because of this statement;

"Any game after that, and please anybody chime in and tell me the games that I'm missing here, because I've played a lot of Wii games and there's not one Wii game other than Wii Sports that actually uses these controls and makes the game fun because of it.

Nintendonly

There are dozens of games that have been improved upon by motion controls and the IR cursor. He clearly hasn't play a lot of Wii games.