Still No need for Blue Ray in video games...Sony Lies again

At this point it is clear sony lied about the need for blue ray for gaming just to get their new media out for movies. Not only are huge games like GTA IV, Mass Effect, and others still fitting comfortable on dvd 9's, every multiplat so far that comes on the 360 and PS3 plays better on the 360.

Finally I just read an article from the latest gameinformer that many of the PS3 games require multi-gig downloads to run making the seemingly large 80gig hardrive fill up in no time. Seems like such a scam to have a piece of media that can hold 50gigs and then ask somebody to use another 4-5 gigs of their hardrive to play the game.

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

MGS4 - 45Gb
Ratchet & Clank Future = 17 Gb
Uncharted = 15 Gb
Resistance: Fall of Man = 12 Gb

Its clear that Sony is taking advantage of the Blu Ray & they aren't ripping us off. 3rd party games will soon follow the trend, specially 3rd party PS3 exclusives like MGS4, Final Fantasy, etc.

At this point it is clear sony lied about the need for blue ray for gaming just to get their new media out for movies. Not only are huge games like GTA IV, Mass Effect, and others still fitting comfortable on dvd 9's, every multiplat so far that comes on the 360 and PS3 plays better on the 360.

Finally I just read an article from the latest gameinformer that many of the PS3 games require multi-gig downloads to run making the seemingly large 80gig hardrive fill up in no time. Seems like such a scam to have a piece of media that can hold 50gigs and then ask somebody to use another 4-5 gigs of their hardrive to play the game.

lawsonboy

Dude unless u like changing cd's which I dont like to do anymore, then I guess its ok, but Lost Odyssey had to many cd's but still an awesome game and Hideo Kojima would never lie and has also stated using up almost 50gb on MGS4, so I think bluray is very helpful and will be used as the gaming industry moves forward.

MGS 4. This thread has failed.

And don't bring up the uncompress sound data argument because leaving it uncompressed allows for a better sound experience... If you can afford it. lol

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

-Renegade

I guess the faster load time had nothing to do with the game being install on ps3's harddrive.

MGS 4. This thread has failed.

And don't bring up the uncompress sound data argument because leaving it uncompressed allows for a better sound experience... If you can afford it. lol

Cedmln

Yes because 450,387 audio languages is needed in every video game.

MGS4 - 45Gb
Ratchet & Clank Future = 17 Gb
Uncharted = 15 Gb
Resistance: Fall of Man = 12 Gb

Its clear that Sony is taking advantage of the Blu Ray & they aren't ripping us off. 3rd party games will soon follow the trend, specially 3rd party PS3 exclusives like MGS4, Final Fantasy, etc.

JCblueside

wow R&C took up that much space? It was a great game but... 17Gigs!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

MGS 4. This thread has failed.

And don't bring up the uncompress sound data argument because leaving it uncompressed allows for a better sound experience... If you can afford it. lol

kingtito

Yes because 450,387 audio languages is needed in every video game.

didn't kojima say that each region the game is sold in will only have one language?

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

Jhung207

I guess the faster load time had nothing to do with the game being install on ps3's harddrive.

Like 10% of the ps3 library needs that though...I dont see how install times are even a valid argument. Maybe if most games require it one day but otherwise big whoop. Besides. Its not exactly like ps3 owners are grasping for more HDD space.

(besides those poor 20gig-ers) Which can easily be solved by buying a 65-75 dollar laptop harddrive

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

-Renegade

Yeah sure after a 10-20 minute install on your HDD are PS3 load times faster. So that pretty much cancels out the validity of that statement. Its a cool feature but you can't use it too justify PS3 having faster load times. Game that don't install do have worse load times.

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

-Renegade

When installed...most reviews I've seen multiplat before this installation thing happened, 360 games were faster loading.

[QUOTE="JCblueside"]

MGS4 - 45Gb
Ratchet & Clank Future = 17 Gb
Uncharted = 15 Gb
Resistance: Fall of Man = 12 Gb

Its clear that Sony is taking advantage of the Blu Ray & they aren't ripping us off. 3rd party games will soon follow the trend, specially 3rd party PS3 exclusives like MGS4, Final Fantasy, etc.

NinjaMunkey01

wow R&C took up that much space? It was a great game but... 17Gigs!!!!!!!!!

Probably beause of the artisitic details, voice actings, & cutscenes. Take note that the demo alone was almost 2 Gb! :shock:

Given the fact that Blue Dragon comes on 3 DVDs and Lost Odyssey comes on 4 DVDs, i'm guessing that Blu-ray isn't a complete waste of time. If it was, these games would happily be shipped on a single disc.

Given the fact that Blue Dragon comes on 3 DVDs and Lost Odyssey comes on 4 DVDs, i'm guessing that Blu-ray isn't a complete waste of time. If it was, these games would happily be shipped on a single disc.

TheLordHimself

For all those cows saying MGS4, the reason it used up 50 gigz is because of all the CGI cutscenes.

OK?

For all those cows saying MGS4, the reason it used up 50 gigz is because of all the CGI cutscenes.

OK?

dragon_master11

AND uncompressed audio

AND character textures...Oh and most of the cutscenes are actually in game

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

-Renegade

What, 2 games? There are actually way more games on the XBox 360 that load faster then on the PS3. This is a fact. Has already been proven by various websites including this one. The only thing Blu-Ray is good for is extra space and 1080p HD visuals and sound. It's transfer rate is technically slower them DVD (right now anyways) and games that get released on Blu-Ray hasn't really been better then the same games released on the XBox 360. 2-3 years from now it'll be worth having because there will be much better Blu-Ray players with faster transfer rates and better firmware.

The only reason Blu-Ray was even in the PS3 is because Sony wanted to get their media out to the world quickly and the PS3 was it's Trojan horse for doing so. If Blu-Ray had failed, Sony would have had a dead media in the PS3 for the tech 8-10yrs. The media still hasn't really caught on yet. People are still buying more DVD's then Blu-Ray movies and I don't see that changing right away.

On a side note. PC games must have been gimped for YEARS! How come I'm playing a 30GB MMO with no blue ray?hywel69

Because the whole game is loaded on your HDD on the PC. You probably don't have a 20GB HDD. Most PS3 games aren't completely loaded on a HDD like a PC game. I'm sure the 30GB game game on 2-3 DVD's and not one Blu-Ray disc. ;)

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

MGS 4. This thread has failed.

And don't bring up the uncompress sound data argument because leaving it uncompressed allows for a better sound experience... If you can afford it. lol

kingtito

Yes because 450,387 audio languages is needed in every video game.

Why not? if i could get rid of the crappy North American dubbing in all of my RPGs i probably would. The fact that it's even possblie is a plus.

At this point it is clear sony lied about the need for blue ray for gaming just to get their new media out for movies. Not only are huge games like GTA IV, Mass Effect, and others still fitting comfortable on dvd 9's, every multiplat so far that comes on the 360 and PS3 plays better on the 360.

Finally I just read an article from the latest gameinformer that many of the PS3 games require multi-gig downloads to run making the seemingly large 80gig hardrive fill up in no time. Seems like such a scam to have a piece of media that can hold 50gigs and then ask somebody to use another 4-5 gigs of their hardrive to play the game.

lawsonboy

glad you understand! go to my blog or the topic in my sig.I went in depth on this issue and you mite like what you see.:)

At this point it is clear sony lied about the need for blue ray for gaming just to get their new media out for movies. Not only are huge games like GTA IV, Mass Effect, and others still fitting comfortable on dvd 9's, every multiplat so far that comes on the 360 and PS3 plays better on the 360.

Finally I just read an article from the latest gameinformer that many of the PS3 games require multi-gig downloads to run making the seemingly large 80gig hardrive fill up in no time. Seems like such a scam to have a piece of media that can hold 50gigs and then ask somebody to use another 4-5 gigs of their hardrive to play the game.

lawsonboy

DVD isn't needed, what's your point?

also its just insane how people justify Blue-ray players by saying you don't have to change disks anymore???

so is that why you made such an expensive purchase??? they scammed us coz they said it was necessary for GAMING!

sure for movies more space is really helpful coz in a movie it stores memory of each frame picture!!! and at HD that amounts to lots.but even then good formats like matroska(.mkv) are good and reduces the required space.

oh and for everyone who says MGS4...I say Crysis!!

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

MGS 4. This thread has failed.

And don't bring up the uncompress sound data argument because leaving it uncompressed allows for a better sound experience... If you can afford it. lol

kingtito

Yes because 450,387 audio languages is needed in every video game.

There's not really a severe need for it yet, maybe consoles with smaller HDDs can use it to compensate.

And it's probably not a viable technology in the long term, like all other forms of entertainment and PC gaming, consoles will move to digital distribution within the next few years, removing the need for a physical format.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Cedmln"]

MGS 4. This thread has failed.

And don't bring up the uncompress sound data argument because leaving it uncompressed allows for a better sound experience... If you can afford it. lol

jonesy1911

Yes because 450,387 audio languages is needed in every video game.

I think he means each region only needs the language (or two languages) that it would speak.

For all those cows saying MGS4, the reason it used up 50 gigz is because of all the CGI cutscenes.

OK?

dragon_master11

It's not CGI... automatic loss for you..

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

Ket87

Yeah sure after a 10-20 minute install on your HDD are PS3 load times faster. So that pretty much cancels out the validity of that statement. Its a cool feature but you can't use it too justify PS3 having faster load times. Game that don't install do have worse load times.

Doesn't burnout paradise have faster loading and better graphics on PS3?

also its just insane how people justify Blue-ray players by saying you don't have to change disks anymore???

so is that why you made such an expensive purchase??? they scammed us coz they said it was necessary for GAMING!

sure for movies more space is really helpful coz in a movie it stores memory of each frame picture!!! and at HD that amounts to lots.but even then good formats like matroska(.mkv) are good and reduces the required space.

oh and for everyone who says MGS4...I say Crysis!!

Great_Ragnarok

What do you mean, for everyone who says MGS4 you say crysis... and what expensive purchase? The PS3 isn't even that expensive anymore, here in the UK a bundle sells for £300... and what do you mean they scammed us, Blah what do I expect from fanboys...

[QUOTE="dragon_master11"]

For all those cows saying MGS4, the reason it used up 50 gigz is because of all the CGI cutscenes.

OK?

tmntPunchout

It's not CGI... automatic loss for you..

Yeah, it wasn't the CGI, it was actually all the audio they put on there that are of the storage. Konami has already stated this awhile back. The Audio along took about about 1/3 of the space. lol!!

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="dragon_master11"]

For all those cows saying MGS4, the reason it used up 50 gigz is because of all the CGI cutscenes.

OK?

XanderZane

It's not CGI... automatic loss for you..

Yeah, it wasn't the CGI, it was actually all the audio they put on there that are of the storage. Konami has already stated this awhile back. The Audio along took about about 1/3 of the space. lol!!

Start a new message, I never said anything about sound. Are you trying to tell me something I already knew about?

Didn't Sony say they were struggling to fit MGS4 on a Blu-Ray disc, let alone on a DVD9 disc :?fabz_95

Sony said that ? i thought it was Kojima ?

[QUOTE="Cedmln"]

MGS 4. This thread has failed.

And don't bring up the uncompress sound data argument because leaving it uncompressed allows for a better sound experience... If you can afford it. lol

kingtito

Yes because 450,387 audio languages is needed in every video game.

You fail epicly. There will only be one audio language pr region. Japanese for japan and english for the rest.
Kojimasan has stated that he had to cut things out of the game to make room.

Some of you are saying "Lost Odyssey /thread" but that sorta goes against your statement. Multi-DVD discs are Microsoft's way around games like these (RPGs with a load of cutscenes) that go beyond the 9 (8?) GB limit.

Now if you said "PGR4 /thread"... I would've agreed.

My god TC got owned sooo bad.

Metal Gear Solid 4 and Lost Odyssey

/thread

Plus there are tons of games on PS3 and 360 were the load times on PS3 are much faster.

-Renegade

Agreed!

also its just insane how people justify Blue-ray players by saying you don't have to change disks anymore???

so is that why you made such an expensive purchase??? they scammed us coz they said it was necessary for GAMING!

sure for movies more space is really helpful coz in a movie it stores memory of each frame picture!!! and at HD that amounts to lots.but even then good formats like matroska(.mkv) are good and reduces the required space.

oh and for everyone who says MGS4...I say Crysis!!

Great_Ragnarok

U may be right but u cant really sit there and say that bluray cannot help out in any way more then a regular dvd9 can. I mean seriously if bluray was just a normal cd like a DVD but with higher quality and had the same space as DVD does now then I would say that is one usless product but just from the ammount of gb's on one bluray to the picture and audio quality which is better then a DVD and also has a coating on the outside of each bluray disc to prevent it from scratches and stuff, its hard for me to say that bluray isnt very helpful and not needed. U agree? Even if u dont I guess u have your reasons but I think bluray is a great step forward for gaming and movies.

At this point it is clear sony lied about the need for blue ray for gaming just to get their new media out for movies. Not only are huge games like GTA IV, Mass Effect, and others still fitting comfortable on dvd 9's, every multiplat so far that comes on the 360 and PS3 plays better on the 360.

Finally I just read an article from the latest gameinformer that many of the PS3 games require multi-gig downloads to run making the seemingly large 80gig hardrive fill up in no time. Seems like such a scam to have a piece of media that can hold 50gigs and then ask somebody to use another 4-5 gigs of their hardrive to play the game.

lawsonboy

Not ever multiplatformer works better on the Xbox 360. Also, games primarily developed on a platform are supposed to run a little better on that platform than the port counter-part. Also, multiplatform games are supposed to be able to run on both platforms therefore need to use the same amount of space on each hence why multi-platforms will not occupy more space than the DVD9. In addition, game development would be a lot quicker if devs didn't have to spend so much time optimising and compressing games. Also, unlike the Xbox 360, the PS3 hard drives are cheaply and easily replacable. Also, at this point, jumps in the standard of gaming are determined by the standards of exclusives and a tonne of them are expected this year for the PS3. Finally, there are games that have pushed the envelope in terms of space requirements. Uncharted, R&C and Resistance. In addition, MGS4 and KZ2 will be using a tonne of space which the Blu-Ray can afford.