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#51 ohthemanatee
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that's strange... I didn't get any email
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#52 hippiesanta
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forgive be but I've lol
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#53 JohnF111
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Guess I should check my email... So how many accounts does Steam have? More than 77 million...?

ianuilliam

It aint the account details, i'll bet my bank balance that Steam has at least three times the credit card info on their servers, granted it was encrypted and hashed and all sorts but then again so was Sonys... Yet look how that turned out, people still claim Sony to be unsafe and unsecure, guess it's Steams turn in the never ending hacking race.

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#54 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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God damn it. I hate when this s*** happens.
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#55 DroidPhysX
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that's strange... I didn't get any emailohthemanatee
I got the message when I opened Steam. Also, would my CC still be compromised if I unchecked the 'remember information for next purchase' box when I made my last purchase which was 2 weeks ago? Dumb question. :P
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#56 jimmypsn
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The scouts (PSN and Steam) have been slaughtered. I guess Xbox Live is the last warrior left standing to fend off the barbarian horde (aka hackers).

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#57 hippiesanta
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the hackers must be mistaken between gabe newell  vs. micheal moore

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#58 Kiro0
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Well looks like senators need to write angry letters and people need to start a class action suit against Valve now. I mean that was the response to when this happened to Sony, right?

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#59 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]that's strange... I didn't get any emailDroidPhysX
I got the message when I opened Steam. Also, would my CC still be compromised if I unchecked the 'remember information for next purchase' box when I made my last purchase which was 2 weeks ago? Dumb question. :P

I still haven't gotten anything... i'm getting worried :|

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#60 lawlessx
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Well looks like senators need to write angry letters and people need to start a class action suit against Valve now. I mean that was the response to when this happened to Sony, right?

Kiro0
Sony waited a week to tell people what really happened and weren't really honest about it at first.
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#61 ohthemanatee
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[QUOTE="Kiro0"]

Well looks like senators need to write angry letters and people need to start a class action suit against Valve now. I mean that was the response to when this happened to Sony, right?

lawlessx

Sony waited a week to tell people what really happened and weren't really honest about it at first.

here we go, the "Sony is always persecuted" stigma is about to start in full force...

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#62 Timstuff
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people won't blame Valve like they blamed Sony with the PSN fiasco.

tryagainlater

Sadly, you're right. System Wars is full of hypocrites.

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#63 bri360
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people won't blame Valve like they blamed Sony with the PSN fiasco.

tryagainlater

Sony got blamed because they basically opened the gates and let the hackers in with flawed security. If valve doesnt have this problem, then there is no reason to blame them. Anyone can get hacked, nobody is invulnerable to it. If you think they are you are in denial.

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#64 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="Kiro0"]

Well looks like senators need to write angry letters and people need to start a class action suit against Valve now. I mean that was the response to when this happened to Sony, right?

lawlessx

Sony waited a week to tell people what really happened and weren't really honest about it at first.

The forums were hacked possibly three days and we are now only finding out the credit card databases have been hacked? OMG Steam how could you!!! Sony clearly said they didn't know for certain, can't be more honest than that better than a false positive.

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#65 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="tryagainlater"]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people won't blame Valve like they blamed Sony with the PSN fiasco.

Timstuff
Sadly, I bet you're right. System Wars is full of hypocrites.

Its not hypocritical since Sony tried to cover it up in the first place (very poorly might i add) and only admitted it when everyone knew about it.
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#66 Wanderer5
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Oh great, well I keep a eye on my account for now and will probably change the password the moment I get back home.

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#67 Jesus_on_fire
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Oh S*** :(

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#68 ohthemanatee
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so... is the fact that I haven't gotten an email a bad sign?
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#69 Master_ShakeXXX
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Why hack steam? Valve is everyone's friend.WithoutGraceXII

Hackers arn't on anyone's side. They're only in it for themselves.They would probably start stabbing eachother in the back if they gained something from it.

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#70 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="tryagainlater"]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people won't blame Valve like they blamed Sony with the PSN fiasco.

DroidPhysX
Sadly, I bet you're right. System Wars is full of hypocrites.

Its not hypocritical since Sony tried to cover it up in the first place (very poorly might i add) and only admitted it when everyone knew about it.

By those standards so did valve, since like Sony they also waited until a few days after the hack to tell people their cards might be stolen. People should be just as enraged at Valve as they were at Sony, but they won't be since the anti-Sony rage was about everything but the actual incident.
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#71 jimmypsn
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]Sadly, I bet you're right. System Wars is full of hypocrites.Timstuff
Its not hypocritical since Sony tried to cover it up in the first place (very poorly might i add) and only admitted it when everyone knew about it.

By those standards so did valve, since like Sony they also waited until a few days after the hack to tell people their cards might be stolen. People should be just as enraged at Valve as they were at Sony, but they won't be since the anti-Sony rage was about everything but the actual incident.

Sony lied to people about the hack. Then tried to cover it up. They are a very deceptive when it comes to these things.

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#72 jimmypsn
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I'm glad Valve is honest and upfront right away rather than wait a week or two like Sony hoping the news would blow over.

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#73 lawlessx
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so... is the fact that I haven't gotten an email a bad sign? ohthemanatee
Just watch your account info every afew hours.
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#74 Lief_Ericson
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This is obviously a reaction to the development of Episode 3.... :P

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#75 BiscuitCruiser
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so... is the fact that I haven't gotten an email a bad sign? ohthemanatee

Don't think anyone got a email, it was a msg on the steam forums

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#76 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Wow. Is there cause for concern? I have an account better I never really use steam.

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[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Its not hypocritical since Sony tried to cover it up in the first place (very poorly might i add) and only admitted it when everyone knew about it.jimmypsn

By those standards so did valve, since like Sony they also waited until a few days after the hack to tell people their cards might be stolen. People should be just as enraged at Valve as they were at Sony, but they won't be since the anti-Sony rage was about everything but the actual incident.

Sony lied to people about the hack. Then tried to cover it up. They are a very deceptive when it comes to these things.

What lie? I want to see a link to a lie directly attributed to Sony.
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#78 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]By those standards so did valve, since like Sony they also waited until a few days after the hack to tell people their cards might be stolen. People should be just as enraged at Valve as they were at Sony, but they won't be since the anti-Sony rage was about everything but the actual incident.DerekLoffin

Sony lied to people about the hack. Then tried to cover it up. They are a very deceptive when it comes to these things.

What lie? I want to see a link to a lie directly attributed to Sony.

Doing research and citing credible sources to back up a bold statement is the mark of good debating skills, which is something you will rarely find in system wars.
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#79 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Its not hypocritical since Sony tried to cover it up in the first place (very poorly might i add) and only admitted it when everyone knew about it.jimmypsn

By those standards so did valve, since like Sony they also waited until a few days after the hack to tell people their cards might be stolen. People should be just as enraged at Valve as they were at Sony, but they won't be since the anti-Sony rage was about everything but the actual incident.

Sony lied to people about the hack. Then tried to cover it up. They are a very deceptive when it comes to these things.

Lie i'd like to see this "lie" you speak of. If you mean a non-direct answer such as "It's possible credit card info was compromised" then Valve are doing the EXACT same thing, "We are currently investigating", this is the forth day and Valve have only given the same answer Sony gave "There is a possibility".

Bashing is no fun unless the person bashing is at least a challenge.

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[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Its not hypocritical since Sony tried to cover it up in the first place (very poorly might i add) and only admitted it when everyone knew about it.jimmypsn

By those standards so did valve, since like Sony they also waited until a few days after the hack to tell people their cards might be stolen. People should be just as enraged at Valve as they were at Sony, but they won't be since the anti-Sony rage was about everything but the actual incident.

Sony lied to people about the hack. Then tried to cover it up. They are a very deceptive when it comes to these things.

Yup, Sony lied to me. For 2 weeks too! :O

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#81 moistsandwich
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Guess I should check my email... So how many accounts does Steam have? More than 77 million...?

ianuilliam

MIght wanna change ur sig.... since 3.8 million is sold to retailers

also... on topic... Hope my CC info isnt taken....

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#82 sethman410
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so then will people finally shut up about sony messing up too?
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#83 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Wow, this is some serious s***! I don't use a credit card for psn/xbl, but anything pc related, I do. Hmm.

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#84 JohnF111
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Wow, this is some serious s***! I don't use a credit card for psn/xbl, but anything pc related, I do. Hmm.

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Encrypted so should be okay, hell Sony used(possibly) weaker encryption and no one was ever defrauded of money, one or two people claim to have been but seems like coincidence, my only concern is that Steam has far more credit cards in the database so higher chance of determination winning through in getting to these details. Doubtful and my card runs out in a year so if they can get my numbers and use them in that time then i'd congratulate the gits.
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#85 Vesica_Prime
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For people who are using Steam, deactivate all other computers by using Steam Guard.

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#86 Timstuff
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[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

Guess I should check my email... So how many accounts does Steam have? More than 77 million...?

moistsandwich

MIght wanna change ur sig.... since 3.8 million is sold to retailers

also... on topic... Hope my CC info isnt taken....

Nope. Looks like someone missed IGN's update. 3.8 million sold to customers confirmed. :D
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#87 lundy86_4
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Wow, this is some serious s***! I don't use a credit card for psn/xbl, but anything pc related, I do. Hmm.

Heirren

It's encrypted and you're insured. I wouldn't worry. Any fraudulent charges I get, I report them, have them issue a refund and then report the card lost/stolen. Nice and easy :P

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#88 jimmypsn
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So as long as you don't get an email. You're safe right?

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#89 JohnF111
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For people who are using Steam, deactivate all other computers by using Steam Guard.

Vesica_Prime
Done, never knew about that little checkbox. Nice one!
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#90 lundy86_4
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So as long as you don't get an email. You're safe right?

jimmypsn

Nope. There's a notification when you load up Steam. To be safe, just change your password (so you don't get locked out of your account), and if you want, report your CC lost/stolen to have a new one issued. If not, just watch for charges and report if you get one (then report your card lost/stolen).

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#91 Planeforger
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For people who are using Steam, deactivate all other computers by using Steam Guard.

Vesica_Prime

What's the purpose of that? Unless they hacked your email address too, there aren't going to be any other computers authorised to use your account.

Anyway, they can't steal accounts due to Steam Guard, and the forum accounts...well, who cares. The only issue is the credit card data, and that might not have been taken at all (and if it had, it'd still have Valve's best encryption on it, so...possibly not even a big deal?).

Also, fortunately the Store and games systems are all functioning just fine, suggesting that it's not an ongoing leak (and they've probably already prevented similar security breaches from ever happening again).

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#92 deactivated-5b69bebd1b0b6
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It's all good and well to say we're all safe with steamguard and whatnot but just look at Valve's message. It's full of doubt and not very reassuring.

Seriously, the future of digital downloads is very bleak if hackers can just get away with this crap so freely.

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#93 AcidSoldner
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[QUOTE="tryagainlater"]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people won't blame Valve like they blamed Sony with the PSN fiasco.

SolidTy

But the rage...lol. It's different when you like the company I think. :P

This exactly what's gonna happen.
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#94 heretrix
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[QUOTE="tryagainlater"]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say people won't blame Valve like they blamed Sony with the PSN fiasco.

Timstuff

Sadly, you're right. System Wars is full of hypocrites.

It's also full of people with selective memories.

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#95 Planeforger
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It's all good and well to say we're all safe with steamguard and whatnot but just look at Valve's message. It's full of doubt and not very reassuring.

Crossel777

The message doesn't seem particularly vague.

The hackers potentially have access to:

  • user names (big deal)
  • hashed and salted passwords (again, not a huge issue - they're encrypted, there's SteamGuard, and the forum passwords don't matter)
  • game purchases, email addresses, billing addresses (these three might worry people who care about their identities, but it's not exactly compromising stuff on its own)
  • encrypted credit card information (the main issue - but it *is* encrypted).

They don't have evidence that any of this information was actually taken, or that their encryptions have been broken. If they had, they'd announce it right away, and tell us to take action immediately.

They don't have any evidence of credit card misuse, but suggest keeping an eye on your cards. That's fair enough - nothing unusual there.

They do know that some forum accounts have been compromised, so it's possible that the hackers have accessed forum usernames and passwords. Thus if you've used that forum password for any other accounts, you should change that password on your other accounts.
That's the only password change that they strongly encourage, and again, it makes perfect sense. Fortunately it shouldn't even apply to people who use multiple passwords for things.

They don't see the point in mandating that everyone get a new Steam password, but say that it wouldn't be a bad idea to change it. Again, that's fair enough.

I don't really see the doubt there, or the lack of assurance.
Sure, they don't know the extent of the hack, but on the plus side, there's no clear evidence that anything particularly damaging has occured. Also, the Store is still up and running, as are all of their games servers, so it looks like they're not worried about further breaches.

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#96 Midnightshade29
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WHAT KIND OF EVIL BEING WOULD HACK STEAM!? :x

Some people.

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It's all a devious plot from micro$oft. They are hiring hackers (remember them wanting to hire geosnotz), to make PSN and steam look bad, and push their pay to play paradigm. Expect apple itunes app store to be the next target. :P
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#97 NoodleFighter
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At least we can still play online unlike PSN :P

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#98 el3m2tigre
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Just goes to show, no one is safe from hackers.

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[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]By those standards so did valve, since like Sony they also waited until a few days after the hack to tell people their cards might be stolen. People should be just as enraged at Valve as they were at Sony, but they won't be since the anti-Sony rage was about everything but the actual incident.DerekLoffin

Sony lied to people about the hack. Then tried to cover it up. They are a very deceptive when it comes to these things.

What lie? I want to see a link to a lie directly attributed to Sony.

Still waiting on that source, hermits...

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#100 lundy86_4
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Still waiting on that source, hermits...

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