Sorry tormentos, PS5 lost the GPU wars

@ronvalencia:

1. So are you saying PC master race is set up with a 10GB RAM GPU with 6 GB of System RAM....

2. So does increasing CUs also increase ROPs/Geometry/DCC/etc and other parts of classic GPU hardware lol.....

3. Ryzen 7 3700X with a base clock of 3.7 Ghz and boost to up 4.3 Ghz with SMT at higher clocks without the need to disable SMT lol. XSX CPU runs at max 3.6 SMT with 3.8 Ghz with no SMT (the only reason for doing such are for older games and keeping power consumption down). AVX2 instructions are known to reduce CPU clock by saturating the entire CPU pipeline and with a hefty increase in power-consumption/temps.

You are a complete and total moron,you simply can't see pass your moronic arguments and your total MS bias.

Sony doesn't gimp memory you walking pancake,sony had a TARGET BUDGET,the freaking PS4 Pro was $400 dollars not $500 dollars 1 year latter,so sony targed within its price budget not because they gimped bandwidth or that they simply can't see a bottleneck.

And again i think sony is targeting $400 dollars VS MS targeting $500 is not gimping sony has a set budget,so does MS so MS went higher and and will pay more for it,sony went lower and will pay less.

You act like if MS outsmarted sony,when in reality Sony had a target budget and MS had a target budget,and is pathetic seeing you act like a total fool on a damn 17% GPU you,who spent the first 4 years of this gen damage controlling MS short comming and downplaying the gaps the PS4 had on the xbox.

To actuall ride DX12 bullshit claims and Tile resources as well,worse you even claim every xbox one sold = one xbox 360 sold,which is completely moronic and proves without doubt that you will say what ever shit comes to mind to defend MS,including claming that a fan inside the damn xbox is not a cooling fan and even freaking bring the vaccum of space.

That stupid you are.

Your stupidity has no bounds. But for the lols, tell which from which user am I an alt of again?

Crickets...………...

1. I don't need MS when discussing hardware.

2. FYI, For PS4 Pro, Sony paid for GDDR5-8000 chips.

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/PlayStation+4+Pro+Teardown/72946

Sony used Samsung K4G80325FB GDDR5 chips

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/gddr5/K4G80325FB-HC25/

From https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/gddr5/

Samsung K4G80325FB is 8.0 Gbps rated which is GDDR5-8000.

PS4 Pro has 256 GB/s memory bandwidth potential. Sony's mindset is conservative.

There's nothing wrong with PS4 Pro's parts.

You are ignorant. Damn yourself.

1. I'm referring to CPU and GPU memory bandwidth ratio.

Zen 2 has AVX 2 gather instructions which are mass data fetch instructions which is a relic from Intel CPU wannabe IGP R&D.

2. Microsoft did NOT reveal XSX GPU's non-CU details, but 12 TFLOPS RDNA 2 is scaling like RTX 2080 from two weeks raw Gears 5 port's benchmark with PC Ultra settings.

Hardware above L2 cache, left of geometry and RBs are within the CU, hence parts of DCC are scaling horizontally.

L2 cache could scale with increase memory controllers. XSX GPU's TFLOPS, TMU, TFU and memory bandwidth are scaled by about 25 percent.

For RBs, 64 ROPS version at 1825 Mhz memory bandwdith usage against 560 GB/s external memory bandwdith (BW)

RGBA8: 1825Mhz * 64 * 4 bytes = 467.2 GB/s (ROPS bound)

RGBA16F: 1825Mhz * 64 * 8 bytes = 934.4 GB/s (BW bound)

RGBA32F: 1825Mhz * 64 * 16 bytes = 1868.8 GB/s (BW bound)

BW bound needs DCC and cache render tricks.

3. From AMD.com website that shows Ryzen 7 3700X's 3.6 Ghz base clock.

Sony mind is not conservative else they would not have a damn GPU clocked at 2.23ghz which no other console comes close to and no GPU from AMD on PC comes from factory as high clocked.

Sony had a budget and they stick to it,sure it could mean little worse performance but it could also mean $100 less which would be incredibly more important vs the xbox,considering how bad the xbox sold at $500.

Is not my foult that you joined this site posting like if you had 10 years here,a mistake most sorry lemmings with alts always do.

If AMD's 50% perf/watt PR claim is true, 2.23 Ghz boost mode would be a good target for RDNA 2's NAVI 10 replacement i.e. RX 6700 and RX 6700 XT. Sony put a cap on GPU's 2.23Ghz boost mode.

RDNA 2 is fabricated on second-generation 7nm N7P or 7nm Enhanced.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-radeon-rx-5700-xt-gaming-x/33.html

MSI RX 5700 XT Gaming X has 1.99 Ghz average and 2.07 Ghz max boost with 270 watts average gaming power consumption. This is from a factory i.e. MSI.

Apply AMD's 50% perf/watt claim turns 270 watts into 135 watts at ~2Ghz average.

Apply 40% perf/watt claim turns 270 watts into 162 watts at ~2Ghz average.

Sony could spend the remaining TDP headroom into 2.23 Ghz without major problems. I don't support PS5's RDNA 2 GPU to be 9.2 TFLOPS average arguments i.e. I'm not extremist for the other camp.

Sony has stated CPU AVX workloads to be the major factor in the throttling.

You can't compare RDNA v1 7nm against RDNA v2 N7P or 7nm Enhanced when PC's RDNA 2 based SKUs are not yet revealed.

I'm positive for Sony to reveal RDNA 2 boost clocks since it benefits PC's RX 6700 XT which is expected to scale higher clock speed, especially from another MSI Gaming X like SKU.

RDNA 2 40 CU needs to be around 150 watts for RDNA 2's 80 CU "Big Navi" version!

Yeah so taking power away from the CPU for the GPU to go full overclock lol. Nice one. For sure most of the time it will run at 9TF then.

Personally i dont care, i think its still a very powerful system. Hell im happy with the PS4 lol. BC news and more AAA game variety imo is more important. Its going to be a sad day for PS fanboys when digital foundry benchmarks both systems lol

FYI, Mark Cerny states heavy AVX CPU workload can cause clock speeds to drop. LOL.

Shame that the PS5 will not be much more powerful than a Sega Genesis.

Actually that is not how it works,if you haven't read it yet you don't want to that much is obvious from your trolling post.

A 10% drop in worse case scenario that would result in a small frequency drod,in fact it is been claim that the GPU will probably not drop below 10.1TF.

But you know this and now you are just as sad of a troll as he is.lol

Nothing you say there address my point you are the master of saying tons of bullshit without saying anything really.

The PS4 Pro came in 2016 and was $400 the X came in 2017 1 year latter which mean even cheaper hardware but came at $100 more $500.

The budget for this 2 machines were difference Sony simply could not achieve an xbox one X setup in 2016 at $400 hell not even MS could which is why they release in 2017 and for $100 MORE.

Budget is the keyword here you just don't get it because you are to busy kissing MS ass.

I have addressed your points and I have countered with Sony already paid for eight GDDR5-8000 components.

For X1X, MS was waiting for Vega 64's perf/watts improvements i.e. half of 12.66 TFLOPS at 295 watts yields 6 TFLOPS version would be close to 150 watts. Both Vega 64 and X1X was released in year 2017.

X1X GPU's 32 ROPS was the 1st GCN with 2MB render cache which is half of Vega 64's 64 ROPS with 4MB L2 cache.

X1X has GDDR5-7000 rated chips which is available in year 2016.

AMD's 384-bit bus PCB design already exists since December 2011 with Radeon HD 7970's retail release. Individual GDDR5-7000 chip is cheaper than GDDR5-8000 chip.

X1X GPU's 44 CU with quad shader engine units layout design already exists with year 2013 Hawaii 44 CU GCN.

X1X has an additional cost on Ultra-Blu-ray drive, four extra GDDR5-7000 chips, flash storage (for OS swap file), vapor cooler and slightly complex 384-bit bus PCB.

The main delaying factor for X1X is AMD's perf/watt silicon maturity and MS's customization with GCN's rasterization.

X1X's cost has reached $399 since November 2018. https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/10/18083294/xbox-one-x-black-friday-deal-microsoft

I don't need MS when discussing mostly PC hardware.

Again, I don't support PS5's RDNA 2 GPU to be 9.2 TFLOPS average arguments i.e. I'm not extremist for the other camp. It's your problem to defend Sony.

U should probably use less drugs.

Nothing what u say makes sense.

I've heard PS5 GPU is almost rdna2. How could the XSX compete against such power?

I don't believe some understand the concept of bottleneck or else this line wouldn't exist "every CPU is bottlenecked".

yes that is why sony put in some tech to get rid of bottlenecks. mark in the presentation was talking about bottlenecks and added things in the system to get rid of bottlenecks. lol theirs a lot of bottlenecks in that sentence. now I need a bottle to get rid of these headaches from reading half of these comments on this forum. in the end EVERYONE LISTEN BOTH SYSTEMS ARE A BIG JUMP FROM LAST GEN. BOTH SYSTEMS ARE GOING TO WOW US EXCEPT FOR FANBOYS. i only go with sony because since ps1 i been happy with every sony system since then. Sony I trust in giving me the games I want.

I agree both consoles are a huge upgrade to this generation. The tech was already outdated when the systems hit the market.

XSX includes RDNA 2 with 52 CU scaling.

@madrocketeer: Doesn't matter how high is clocked more CUs will always be better even if one card runs with lower clock speed.

@Tessellation:

Bullshit which is why Vega 56 can beat Vega 64.

Clocking higher also have other benefits as well.

In thins case the Xbox has more power because it has 16 CU more,alto much lower clocked which is why the gap is only 18%,when on PS 4 vs Xbox one the difference was just 6 more CU but the gap was 40%,if the series X would be clocked at 2.23ghz the gap would be much much wider,but with so many CU that would cause heat problems.

Too bad for you, XSX scaled to RTX 2080 level with Gears 5's built-in benchmark and it's not AMD friendly games such as Battlefield V and Forza series games.