Sony doubles down on PS+ business model, compares games to movies

@navyguy21: I took it upon myself and fix the link to your original post hence the twitter link. If you are on mobile, try to convert your mobile into desktop as if you were using your PC.

My job here is done. Back to drinking Tea🍵

You were so preoccupied with whether you could, You didn't stop to think if you should.

In other words, we can't trust you in the future.

Damn, this alt^ is having a meltdown and providing everything BUT facts. Go figure. 🤡

I have a simple question. How does that benefit gamers?🤔

your post history is literally most disturbing form of PR shilling I’ve ever seen. Your clown emoji suits you perfectly.

lol but you can trust the MS shills here posting counter rumours to promote their favourite plastic box, correct?

the fact is that 343i has over 700 employees. Let’s say they make on average 80k per year conservatively. That’s $56 million per year and let’s say they had a 5 year development plan.

That’s $280,000,000 just in payroll. Add expenses, overhead, advertising, outsourcing, 1 year delay and hiring all those added devs - you’re gonna end up a lot closer to 500mil than you think.

Calm down son. It's just gaming.

Oh snap. The mods even shit all over your post. LOL.

The mods can think whatever they want. keep posting how halo Infinite is a success story despite literally every other publication stating the opposite.

Not even on microsofts own website is halo infinite in the top 15. Big oof! Go ahead I’ll wait for your retort posting skewed and made up numbers hahah.

@hardwenzen is that your alt^? He is talking Halo just like you do! It's cute! And he is mad that Halo has done so well, just like you! Too cute!

My alt without the emojis spam? Yea, good luck.

There is still no clear reason for anyone to subscribe to PS+ beyond the base tier.. particularly any longtime PlayStation fan who's already bought/played those 1st party titles on day one..

We both know that if i did play the game, and kept saying what i do, you would find a new excuse on why my criticism isn't valid, so lets not play that game lol.

Don't look at the score, and lets look at the core of the game, shall we? Yes we shall.

Story: Pathetic and childish. Halo never had an amazing story, but the trilogy had a story that is at least worth listening to. What 343i has offered since H4 is an insult to a flagship title (especially in H5 and Infinite).

Characters: Just like the story, it feels to me that they were written by teenagers FOR teenagers. God awful writing.

Level design: Ubisoft kind of cringe with one extremely repetitive biome. I have never seen an open world game that didn't even try to give you an illusion of variety of environments.

Gunplay: Same ol same ol gunplay. Not bad, but where's the reboot at? Was adding the grappling hook supposed to be what they meant when "halo reboot" was mentioned?

And that's it. Where's the 9/10 at? Put that 9 upside down and this is the real score of Halo Infinite's campaign.

Have to disagree. I get insane value from the PS+ Extra tier due to the sheer amount of games I now have access to, which includes some first party stuff. But that group of games is heavily third-party stuff that I never tried. It's an excellent reason to subscribe, for my situation.

again, you didn't play the game so your personal opinion on the gameplay, story, level design, gunplay, and etc is immediately invalid.. if you want to defer to the opinions of others, great.. that's what reviews are for.. and according to the reviews, the game was outstanding at launch..

there's really nothing else to say on the subject..

@hardwenzen: if you actually played the game, i'd atleast give some merit to your personal opinion.. you're certainly entitled to your opinion..

but you have no personal opinion based on personal experience.. just the opinions of others.. and those others have scored the game 9/10, 87% meta..

if you want to discuss the lack of post-launch content for the F2P multiplayer, i can agree (from personal experience playing the game) that the lack of steady and meaningful content is the reason i no longer play the game on a regular basis.. anything beyond that is just your fanboy nonsense..

@Antwan3K: Forget about any post launch content, f2p Offline Service and all of this crap. The campaign is on par with Halo 5. Its a mess that i don't need to play to know that its bad. One biome, no enemies variety and extremely repetitive mission structure straight from an Ubisoft game doesn't make this a 9/10. And just like with Halo 5, the story is laughable to say the least.

He did a much better job at describing the actual campaign offerings that GS and other sites that were riding the blind Halo hype train didn't. Funny how they were all so excited about it, and all of them left the game within a month and forgot they even played it. What a memorable experience.

Reduced value of the subscription service.

look at gamepass only xbox games are day one. not many third party games are day one.

because the developer makes more money that way.

does that make gamepass look worse when third party is not day one?

yes xbox decided there games day one. but if they made more money throwing it on the subscription day one then why hasn't third party or sony or nin started doing it?

look at gamepass only xbox games are day one. not many third party games are day one.

LOL, what? Everything below is DAY ONE through JUNE of 2023 (so far!), and MOSTLY third party. And that is just 12 months worth, and not everything listed, lol!

Most of the promoted games coming to Gamepass over the next 12 months are third party and day one.

@kvallyx said:

@gifford38 said:

@Pedro said:

@kejigoto said:

@Pedro:

Simpler question; what about this is bad for gaming/gamers?

Reduced value of the subscription service.

look at gamepass only xbox games are day one. not many third party games are day one.

LOL, what? Everything below is DAY ONE through JUNE of 2023 (so far!), and MOSTLY third party. And that is just 12 months worth, and not everything listed, lol!

games like zelda,gow,ghost,call of duty,red dead2,spiderman,mario,ass creed

top tier games. the high budget games.

were 100's of people working on the title.

I don't see top tier developers joining day one.

so next call of duty on gamepass?

next ass creed on gamepass?

next gta6 on gamepass?

was cyberpunk?

why is it so hard for you to understand top tier developers make more money selling it at 60 or 70 a pop day one.

No you wouldn't. All you'd say is "its just your opinion, bro", and then point out to the 9/10 score like every lemming on this site does. Like really, this is not the first time this has happened. Halo 5 was exactly the same thing, and Halo 4 before it. Halo 4 has the same meta, and when was the last time you heard anyone praising that thing? Yea, its a forgettable experience that nobody cares about. If MS had games to talk about, Infinite would've been forgotten half a year ago.

people disagree with review scores on this website all the time.. and yeah, people do default to the official review scores when having an objective discussion of quality..

this is nothing new..

at any rate, if you want to even have the most basic level of credibility when discussing a game's quality, you should at least have firsthand experience playing it..

@gifford38 said:

@kvallyx said:

@gifford38 said:

@Pedro said:

Reduced value of the subscription service.

look at gamepass only xbox games are day one. not many third party games are day one.

LOL, what? Everything below is DAY ONE through JUNE of 2023 (so far!), and MOSTLY third party. And that is just 12 months worth, and not everything listed, lol!

games like zelda,gow,ghost,call of duty,red dead2,spiderman,mario,ass creed

top tier games. the high budget games.

were 100's of people working on the title.

I don't see top tier developers joining day one.

This is what you said:

look at gamepass only xbox games are day one.not many third party games are day one.

You were wrong. Now you are trying to move the goal posts. And there are top tier developers there on the list, lol.

no not many third party games have been day one on gamepass.

but the top sellers never do.

this is what I was getting at.

so what top tier developers are on the list that is not xbox?

i'm glad you found value in the service.. 👍🏽 i'm sure you'd find even more value in the service if it included day/date releases of Sony's 1st party titles.. that's what i meant by "clear reason"..

when describing Game Pass, i can simply say "you get all games made by Xbox on Day One plus a bunch of other games" (eventually, i'd be able to simply say "Call of Duty" on Day One)..

For PS Now+, "you get to play a bunch of games that you probably have already played".. 🤷🏽‍♂️ hence, the phrasing "no clear reason"..

no not many third party games have been day one on gamepass.

but the top sellers never do.

this is what I was getting at.

so what top tier developers are on the list that is not xbox?

So, you are moving the goalpost to top tier developers? If that is the case Persona 5.😎

Good lord.....that isn't moving the goal post. That is just throwing the entire thing out the window. What next? "So what top tier developers are on the list that are not on Xbox that only release games on Sundays, have a 50/50 split development staff of female vs. male, is two syllables, and costs more than $49.99 and less than $79.99?"

Third parties including "top tier" are always releasing games on Game Pass day one. One of the COOLEST third party releases that were DAY ONE and is TOP TIER AAAA is MLB the Show 2022. Which of course was $70 on PS, and...wait for it....FREE on Xbox.

Xbox, for the players.

Okay you guys, this isn't a Halo: Infinite thread. This is about Sony's business on cinematic driven movies after all.

still releasing it at 70 bucks ps5 at launch even if its on gamepass.

Yes! Because I have a feeling you believe you have or point or you saw my comment and your snowflake self got triggered.😂

One biome. Open world game with one biome.

Who does that?

@Antwan3K: Forget about any post launch content, f2p Offline Service and all of this crap. The campaign is on par with Halo 5. Its a mess that i don't need to play to know that its bad. One biome, no enemies variety and extremely repetitive mission structure straight from an Ubisoft game doesn't make this a 9/10. And just like with Halo 5, the story is laughable to say the least.

He did a much better job at describing the actual campaign offerings that GS and other sites that were riding the blind Halo hype train didn't. Funny how they were all so excited about it, and all of them left the game within a month and forgot they even played it. What a memorable experience.

These people are making things more complicated than needed.

1. Make game

2. Sell game

They're just getting greedy at this point. Yeah, big blockbuster games are cool and all, but they cost way too much to make, and we don't need every game to be like that.

It's no longer about making games and profiting off those sales; it's about turning people into a resource and taking their money at a rate that's slow enough they won't think much of it, but's fast enough it's worthwhile to the corporation.

Don't be surprised if in 10-20 years when game streaming is fast enough that consoles are extinct and we have to have anEA subscription and a Ubisoft subscription and a 2K subscription liek it is now with films and shows.

"bold"

I was predicting this would be the case in SW about 10 years ago. Said in 10-20 years it would be like cable channels a la carte. HBO, Showtime, Starz etc. Recall not being taken too seriously by most but only a few thought it through.

You've been here long enough you may even recall that. lol :P

People said that digital games would never exceed physical games in sales. As of July, 80% of all PS4 and PS5 games sold are digital. I bet the same people will now say that streaming will never exceed physical/digital games in sales. This oughta be good.

Now we know why MS is so focused on the cloud, and why Sony is using MS for the cloud.