So lets say GT5 gets 9.5

Read my edit, and agreed, GS search system is horrid.

ActicEdge

Maybe he has the ultimate power? :P

Here's the thread.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Read my edit, and agreed, GS search system is horrid.

tagyhag

Maybe he has the ultimate power? :P

Here's the thread.

Weird, but Kevin V has never gave me a reason to distrust him so I believe it.

9.5 would be a great score BUT Froza3 got the same score so GT5 has to get higher or its a FlopJ-WOW

9.5 would be a great score BUT Froza3 got the same score so GT5 has to get higher or its a FlopJ-WOW

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]9.5 would be a great score BUT Froza3 got the same score so GT5 has to get higher or its a Flopheretrix

Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|Skittles_McGee

If they score the same its up to personal preference on which one people think is better.

ActicEdge

No game is ever 'expected' to get a 9.5, I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous - whatever they hype of dev time. 9.5s are classics, geez.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|chaplainDMK

What? GT5 could easily be equal to Forza 3 and still score a 9.5.

This just sounds like early damage control from the GT5 crowd which is funny

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|chaplainDMK

Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|Skittles_McGee

Well it looks the standards have been raised. If GT5 becomes what it's trying to be, the next Forza game has to meet and beat those standards, which is not gonna happen because MS and turn 10 rush games out the door for mainly profit. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure Sony wants GT5 to sell bucket loads, but Poly digital focused on the experience of cars themselves, not just racing, but the "soul" of the cars, if you get my drift (no pun intended). Plus Poly is a much smaller studio than Turn 10 so it's remarkable how much attention to detail there is in GT5. So my point being, if GT5 turns out to be what the developers wanted it to be, Turn 10 and Microsoft will need to spend 5 years of their own time developing Forza 4, just to meat the new standard GT5 has set.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|dream431ca

Well it looks the standards have been raised. If GT5 becomes what it's trying to be, the next Forza game has to meet and beat those standards, which is not gonna happen because MS and turn 10 rush games out the door for mainly profit. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure Sony wants GT5 to sell bucket loads, but Poly digital focused on the experience of cars themselves, not just racing, but the "soul" of the cars, if you get my drift. Plus Poly is a much smaller studio than Turn 10 so it's remarkable how much attention to detail there is in GT5. So my point being, if GT5 turns out to be what the developers wanted it to be, Turn 10 and Microsoft will need to spend 5 years of their own time developing Forza 4, just to meat the new standard GT5 has set.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="J-WOW"]9.5 would be a great score BUT Froza3 got the same score so GT5 has to get higher or its a FlopSkittles_McGee

Trust me, saying GT 5 is only as good as Forza 3 after all of the hoopla is just as bad as a flop.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|Skittles_McGee

Well it looks the standards have been raised. If GT5 becomes what it's trying to be, the next Forza game has to meet and beat those standards, which is not gonna happen because MS and turn 10 rush games out the door for mainly profit. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure Sony wants GT5 to sell bucket loads, but Poly digital focused on the experience of cars themselves, not just racing, but the "soul" of the cars, if you get my drift. Plus Poly is a much smaller studio than Turn 10 so it's remarkable how much attention to detail there is in GT5. So my point being, if GT5 turns out to be what the developers wanted it to be, Turn 10 and Microsoft will need to spend 5 years of their own time developing Forza 4, just to meat the new standard GT5 has set.

No, your correct. Forza 3 did raise the bar, but looking at GT5, the bar has been raised a lot farther. If Forza 4 does come out, (which it probably will), will the bar be raised yet again? Can you make some predictions on what they could do to raise it? There isn't much room to raise it after GT5.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="heretrix"]That's not true even in the slightest. It only needs to score a 9.0 (AAA)

heretrix

Trust me, saying GT 5 is only as good as Forza 3 after all of the hoopla is just as bad as a flop.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Well it looks the standards have been raised. If GT5 becomes what it's trying to be, the next Forza game has to meet and beat those standards, which is not gonna happen because MS and turn 10 rush games out the door for mainly profit. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure Sony wants GT5 to sell bucket loads, but Poly digital focused on the experience of cars themselves, not just racing, but the "soul" of the cars, if you get my drift. Plus Poly is a much smaller studio than Turn 10 so it's remarkable how much attention to detail there is in GT5. So my point being, if GT5 turns out to be what the developers wanted it to be, Turn 10 and Microsoft will need to spend 5 years of their own time developing Forza 4, just to meat the new standard GT5 has set.

dream431ca

No, your correct. Forza 3 did raise the bar, but looking at GT5, the bar has been raised a lot farther. If Forza 4 does come out, (which it probably will), will the bar be raised yet again? Can you make some predictions on what they could do to raise it? There isn't much room to raise it after GT5.

Anyone who calls a 9.5 a flop in is going to look silly anyway, I hope it happens.FIipMode

because MS and turn 10 rush games out the door for mainly profit.

dream431ca

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]Anyone who calls a 9.5 a flop in is going to look silly anyway, I hope it happens.W1NGMAN-

That's the type of statement I look forward to, since a 9.5 flop would be the most comic thing ever.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Technically. But the hype, from cows, is that it will be better than Forza. Which in that perspective, means it would have to be a 10.Skittles_McGee

Trust me, saying GT 5 is only as good as Forza 3 after all of the hoopla is just as bad as a flop.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Forza meeting and beating GT's standards won't happen, you say? Hm, strange, I could have sworn Forza 3 did just that. Must have been my imagination.Skittles_McGee

No, your correct. Forza 3 did raise the bar, but looking at GT5, the bar has been raised a lot farther. If Forza 4 does come out, (which it probably will), will the bar be raised yet again? Can you make some predictions on what they could do to raise it? There isn't much room to raise it after GT5.

I'm going by the previews and what it looks like is GT5 will be raising the bar quite high. As you pointed out, it is a bit of a prediction, but it's looking that way nonetheless.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

because MS and turn 10 rush games out the door for mainly profit.

heretrix

Yes, a reasonable amount of time for the studio that is developing it. My point is, they could do a lot better, but they choose not to.

I really don't see how it can get anything less than a 10 here. GS painted themselves into a corner with the Forza 3 score. The gameplay would have to be absolutely horrible for it to score less and they can't give GTR 5 the same score with all of the extra content and it's graphical superiority.

heretrix

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"][QUOTE="FIipMode"]Anyone who calls a 9.5 a flop in is going to look silly anyway, I hope it happens.ActicEdge

That's the type of statement I look forward to, since a 9.5 flop would be the most comic thing ever.

Which is the same score as FORZA 3.

now i know all of you are expecting that it should be greater than this score because its been developed for a longer time, more features (as listed- ex gokarting), etc

BUT lets say it does get 9.5.

Now in my opinion a 9.5 in todays date is worth more than a 9.5 that forza 3 got.

WHy woudl it be worth more? Because games have to keep up and develop more to achieve that score because standards have been set. ANd since forza 3didnt have much competition in the Sim-racing section on the consoles, it was really the best out there at that time.

NOw hypothetically speaking, if GT5 comes and does Exactly the same as forza3 with no extra features. It should not deserve the same as forza's 9.5 . Because it hasn't brought anything new to the table.

So basically what im trying to say is that If GT5 gets the same rating as FORZA 3 it wont mean that: 1. it flopped. 2. is a worse game. It could mean that it did do extra things beyond FOrza 3 but there were still some issues. 9.5 now is greater than 9.5 then.


What do u guys think?

Ribnarak

Wow, PRE-damage control... I wonder if you mr TC noticed how much of desperation this thread reeks of. I mean, It seems so absolutely desperate that I thought it was a sarcastic joke until I read your further posts.. Why would it even matter to you? By your analogy, now that say MGS4 got a 10, nothing else could ever get a ten, because ever year the bar is raised. If this is true, what does that say for Halo 3:odst?? are you saying it was superior to all the previous halo games?? I think you need to deal with the fact that iif it gets a 9.5 that's fine, and on par with forza 3. You know, you can enjoy a game without its rating numbers being high?? just a thought

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

because MS and turn 10 rush games out the door for mainly profit.

dream431ca

Yes, a reasonable amount of time for the studio that is developing it. My point is, they could do a lot better, but they choose not to.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"] Pretty much ... "HHAHAHA OMG! Enjoy your FLOP Cows :D" .... :|heretrix

That's the type of statement I look forward to, since a 9.5 flop would be the most comic thing ever.

The 9.3 from gametrailers was funny, people are still bitter over that. If half the games I liked got a 9.3 . . .

Halo is always good for laughs to, it has that perfect blend of blind hate vs rose tinted love making for some epic threads :P

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

Which is the same score as FORZA 3.

now i know all of you are expecting that it should be greater than this score because its been developed for a longer time, more features (as listed- ex gokarting), etc

BUT lets say it does get 9.5.

Now in my opinion a 9.5 in todays date is worth more than a 9.5 that forza 3 got.

WHy woudl it be worth more? Because games have to keep up and develop more to achieve that score because standards have been set. ANd since forza 3didnt have much competition in the Sim-racing section on the consoles, it was really the best out there at that time.

NOw hypothetically speaking, if GT5 comes and does Exactly the same as forza3 with no extra features. It should not deserve the same as forza's 9.5 . Because it hasn't brought anything new to the table.

So basically what im trying to say is that If GT5 gets the same rating as FORZA 3 it wont mean that: 1. it flopped. 2. is a worse game. It could mean that it did do extra things beyond FOrza 3 but there were still some issues. 9.5 now is greater than 9.5 then.


What do u guys think?

dRuGGeRnaUt

Wow, PRE-damage control... I wonder if you mr TC noticed how much of desperation this thread reeks of. I mean, It seems so absolutely desperate that I thought it was a sarcastic joke until I read your further posts.. Why would it even matter to you? By your analogy, now that say MGS4 got a 10, nothing else could ever get a ten, because ever year the bar is raised. If this is true, what does that say for Halo 3:odst?? are you saying it was superior to all the previous halo games?? I think you need to deal with the fact that iif it gets a 9.5 that's fine, and on par with forza 3. You know, you can enjoy a game without its rating numbers being high?? just a thought

Yeah, it does reek of damage control. Im just wondering why its taken so long for it to happen though, did cows actually expect GT5 to get a 10 up until now or something ...

If they score the same its up to personal preference on which one people think is better.

ActicEdge

Its always personal preference, a review itself is simply one persons opinion anyway, so thats a contradictory statement.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"] Pretty much ... "HHAHAHA OMG! Enjoy your FLOP Cows :D" .... :|heretrix

That's the type of statement I look forward to, since a 9.5 flop would be the most comic thing ever.

It wasn't entirely about the score, it was GT's hypocrisy that was shown when they said U2 wasn't original enough to score anything higher then turn around and give MW2 like a 9.5, 9.6 or something like that. That wasn't the first time GT had come off looking bad.

Time to develop the game doesn't mean it costs more, they took it slow and probably stopped development for months at a time and then reignited the team... I see no reason why the development time has anything to do with it, if the workers were paid by the hour it'd more likely have cost on similar rails to GT4. So anything over 9.0 is good enough for any game just 9.5 and 10 are more icing.JohnF111

reviewers can give gt5 the same score but they can still say its a much better game than forza3.

sometimes its not all about the score the game gets.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That's the type of statement I look forward to, since a 9.5 flop would be the most comic thing ever.

W1NGMAN-

It wasn't entirely about the score, it was GT's hypocrisy that was shown when they said U2 wasn't original enough to score anything higher then turn around and give MW2 like a 9.5, 9.6 or something like that. That wasn't the first time GT had come off looking bad.

[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|Anjunaddict

What? GT5 could easily be equal to Forza 3 and still score a 9.5.

This just sounds like early damage control from the GT5 crowd which is funny

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

If they score the same its up to personal preference on which one people think is better.

Asim90

Its always personal preference, a review itself is simply one persons opinion anyway, so thats a contradictory statement.

Not at all because in SW, a 9.5 game is considered superior to a 9 game. that's how the metagame works.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

That's the type of statement I look forward to, since a 9.5 flop would be the most comic thing ever.

W1NGMAN-

It wasn't entirely about the score, it was GT's hypocrisy that was shown when they said U2 wasn't original enough to score anything higher then turn around and give MW2 like a 9.5, 9.6 or something like that. That wasn't the first time GT had come off looking bad.

Its not really hypocisy, something people don't really seem to grasp is that nothing in Uncharted 2 is its own. MW2 getting a 9.5/9.6 shows hipocracy how? What is so unoriginal about the MW formula and what is so original about U2?

Personally, it would be insulting if GameSpot gave GT5 the same score as Forza 3. I mean, come on... 16 cars on track, breathtaking graphics, 1000 cars, Track Maker playable online, Karting, day/night cycle, dynamic weather, good looking damage and rollover, *takes breath*, B-Spec mode (FIFA Manager for racing), WRC, NASCAR, 3D possibilities, Top Gear track, incredible dust lightning and movement (wind), online lobbies with up to 32 players, *takes breath*, spectator mode, YouTube replay upload, skidmarks and reverse light, custom soundtrack... ... compared to a game that supports only 8 cars on track. Seriosly, i mean... ugh.. and those are facts. With all due respect, Forza 3 seems pretty overrated today. I know a lot of people had and still have a lot of fun with it, but still.Wassmansdorff

Can you confirm the bolded red items? Not to say I don't believe you, I really want GT5 but I never seen the bolded items confirmed.

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]Personally, it would be insulting if GameSpot gave GT5 the same score as Forza 3. I mean, come on... 16 cars on track, breathtaking graphics, 1000 cars, Track Maker playable online, Karting, day/night cycle, dynamic weather, good looking damage and rollover, *takes breath*, B-Spec mode (FIFA Manager for racing), WRC, NASCAR, 3D possibilities, Top Gear track, incredible dust lightning and movement (wind), online lobbies with up to 32 players, *takes breath*, spectator mode, YouTube replay upload, skidmarks and reverse light, custom soundtrack... ... compared to a game that supports only 8 cars on track. Seriosly, i mean... ugh.. and those are facts. With all due respect, Forza 3 seems pretty overrated today. I know a lot of people had and still have a lot of fun with it, but still.dream431ca

Can you confirm the bolded red items? Not to say I don't believe you, I really want GT5 but I never seen the bolded items confirmed.

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]Personally, it would be insulting if GameSpot gave GT5 the same score as Forza 3. I mean, come on... 16 cars on track, breathtaking graphics, 1000 cars, Track Maker playable online, Karting, day/night cycle, dynamic weather, good looking damage and rollover, *takes breath*, B-Spec mode (FIFA Manager for racing), WRC, NASCAR, 3D possibilities, Top Gear track, incredible dust lightning and movement (wind), online lobbies with up to 32 players, *takes breath*, spectator mode, YouTube replay upload, skidmarks and reverse light, custom soundtrack... ... compared to a game that supports only 8 cars on track. Seriosly, i mean... ugh.. and those are facts. With all due respect, Forza 3 seems pretty overrated today. I know a lot of people had and still have a lot of fun with it, but still.dream431ca

Can you confirm the bolded red items? Not to say I don't believe you, I really want GT5 but I never seen the bolded items confirmed.

Skidmarks

B Spec

Particle Effects

Who cares what it gets? Even if it gets a 8.5 I'm getting it.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Wassmansdorff"]Personally, it would be insulting if GameSpot gave GT5 the same score as Forza 3. I mean, come on... 16 cars on track, breathtaking graphics, 1000 cars, Track Maker playable online, Karting, day/night cycle, dynamic weather, good looking damage and rollover, *takes breath*, B-Spec mode (FIFA Manager for racing), WRC, NASCAR, 3D possibilities, Top Gear track, incredible dust lightning and movement (wind), online lobbies with up to 32 players, *takes breath*, spectator mode, YouTube replay upload, skidmarks and reverse light, custom soundtrack... ... compared to a game that supports only 8 cars on track. Seriosly, i mean... ugh.. and those are facts. With all due respect, Forza 3 seems pretty overrated today. I know a lot of people had and still have a lot of fun with it, but still.thelastguy

Can you confirm the bolded red items? Not to say I don't believe you, I really want GT5 but I never seen the bolded items confirmed.

Skidmarks

B Spec

Particle Effects

Thanks Dude!