So lets say GT5 gets 9.5

Which is the same score as FORZA 3.

now i know all of you are expecting that it should be greater than this score because its been developed for a longer time, more features (as listed- ex gokarting), etc

BUT lets say it does get 9.5.

Now in my opinion a 9.5 in todays date is worth more than a 9.5 that forza 3 got.

WHy woudl it be worth more? Because games have to keep up and develop more to achieve that score because standards have been set. ANd since forza 3didnt have much competition in the Sim-racing section on the consoles, it was really the best out there at that time.

NOw hypothetically speaking, if GT5 comes and does Exactly the same as forza3 with no extra features. It should not deserve the same as forza's 9.5 . Because it hasn't brought anything new to the table.

So basically what im trying to say is that If GT5 gets the same rating as FORZA 3 it wont mean that: 1. it flopped. 2. is a worse game. It could mean that it did do extra things beyond FOrza 3 but there were still some issues. 9.5 now is greater than 9.5 then.


What do u guys think?

If they score the same its up to personal preference on which one people think is better.

But try to understand (well this is what i believe) a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 that been givento a game before.

Pro-GT5: "Higher standards in the present, it is better than Forza 3" Anti-GT5: "Took longer to develop and was hyped more only to score the same as Forza 3? A flop"tagyhag

I agree but wouldnt consider it as a flop. Just compare the previous GT games :P

9.5? lulz! flop!!!! :P

I think if it does, in SW, people will scream FLOP because of the insane hype it has gotten over the years. Fuhgeddabouditt

But try to understand (well this is what i believe) a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 that been givento a game before.

Ribnarak

In some respects. I don't think that a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 then, I just think it means you had a higher bar to achieve and should have achieved it considering you have had an extra year of knowledge, influence and work.

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]Pro-GT5: "Higher standards in the present, it is better than Forza 3" Anti-GT5: "Took longer to develop and was hyped more only to score the same as Forza 3? A flop"SwagSurf

I agree but wouldnt consider it as a flop. Just compare the previous GT games :P

[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

But try to understand (well this is what i believe) a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 that been givento a game before.

ActicEdge

In some respects. I don't think that a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 then, I just think it means you had a higher bar to achieve and should have achieved it considering you have had an extra year of knowledge, influence and work.

yeah maybe i wrote that in a wrong way. But even if GT5 scores the same, it could still mean that the game is better than forza 3.

it has to

if it doesnt it will be the laughing stock of the year even if it gets a 9. cuzPS3 fanboys went on and onabout it blowing forza outta the water for months

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[QUOTE="Ribnarak"]

But try to understand (well this is what i believe) a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 that been givento a game before.

Ribnarak

In some respects. I don't think that a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 then, I just think it means you had a higher bar to achieve and should have achieved it considering you have had an extra year of knowledge, influence and work.

yeah maybe i wrote that in a wrong way. But even if GT5 scores the same, it could still mean that the game is better than forza 3.

Very well could. In complete honesty it will probably be technically superior with more features and gameplay mechanics. Not sure whether that makes the game better though as opposed to more content heavy, prettier and potentially deeper.

The Current hype is 9.5 so it's not a flop. In terms of being compared to Forza, it makes them equal in my eyes because of the score but when the next Forza comes out , it will likely get a lower score if it doesn't add more features/cars/tracks etc because GT5 set the bar really high.

The Current hype is 9.5 so it's not a flop. In terms of being compared to Forza, it makes them equal in my eyes because of the score but when the next Forza comes out , it will likely get a lower score if it doesn't add more features/cars/tracks etc because GT5 set the bar really high.

akira2465

I'm thinking about creating a thread titled "So let's say GT5 gets a 6.5", because it looks like every scenario is being discussed :roll:

[QUOTE="akira2465"]

The Current hype is 9.5 so it's not a flop. In terms of being compared to Forza, it makes them equal in my eyes because of the score but when the next Forza comes out , it will likely get a lower score if it doesn't add more features/cars/tracks etc because GT5 set the bar really high.

Chutebox

My Bad, it's 9.0- 9.5 I just took the highest score, I should have said AAA

PS3 fan will say GT5 is better because of standards while 360 fans say it a flop because of the hype and dev time it should have been better than forza 3. it stupid either way just because games score that same doesn't have anything to do with how they compare to other games even in their same genre. for example COD4 and MW2 both got 9.0's here. does anyone think MW2 is as good as COD4? anyone who played both KNOWS cod4 IS better than MW2. that is why i hate scoring systems. creates stupid debates like this when in fact there is no point

PS3 fan will say GT5 is better because of standards while 360 fans say it a flop because of the hype and dev time it should have been better than forza 3. it stupid either way just because games score that same doesn't have anything to do with how they compare to other games even in their same genre. for example COD4 and MW2 both got 9.0's here. does anyone think MW2 is as good as COD4? anyone who played both KNOWS cod4 IS better than MW2. that is why i hate scoring systems. creates stupid debates like this when in fact there is no point

Ragashahs

PS3 fan will say GT5 is better because of standards while 360 fans say it a flop because of the hype and dev time it should have been better than forza 3. it stupid either way just because games score that same doesn't have anything to do with how they compare to other games even in their same genre. for example COD4 and MW2 both got 9.0's here. does anyone think MW2 is as good as COD4? anyone who played both KNOWS cod4 IS better than MW2. that is why i hate scoring systems. creates stupid debates like this when in fact there is no point

Ragashahs

Both games were reviewed by different people. One might have given COD 4 an 8.0 while the other could have given MW2 the same score. Who reviews it matters a lot (For example, Half-Life 2 would have gotten a 10 if Kevin-V would have reviewed it)

I agree that the whole SW hype/flop thing is flawed, but it's all in good fun until people start to take it very seriously. :P

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

PS3 fan will say GT5 is better because of standards while 360 fans say it a flop because of the hype and dev time it should have been better than forza 3. it stupid either way just because games score that same doesn't have anything to do with how they compare to other games even in their same genre. for example COD4 and MW2 both got 9.0's here. does anyone think MW2 is as good as COD4? anyone who played both KNOWS cod4 IS better than MW2. that is why i hate scoring systems. creates stupid debates like this when in fact there is no point

mtradr43

Who says it works like that? Do you think that if the reviewers feels a game is a 9.9 its automatically bumped to 10? This isn't rounding here. A game could be an 8.8 but if the reviewer feels that the game doesn't match the requirements of a 9, bump it down instead of up. You're only speculating that that is how it works.

I think your a PS3 fanboy.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]

PS3 fan will say GT5 is better because of standards while 360 fans say it a flop because of the hype and dev time it should have been better than forza 3. it stupid either way just because games score that same doesn't have anything to do with how they compare to other games even in their same genre. for example COD4 and MW2 both got 9.0's here. does anyone think MW2 is as good as COD4? anyone who played both KNOWS cod4 IS better than MW2. that is why i hate scoring systems. creates stupid debates like this when in fact there is no point

tagyhag

Both games were reviewed by different people. One might have given COD 4 an 8.0 while the other could have given MW2 the same score. Who reviews it matters a lot (For example, Half-Life 2 would have gotten a 10 if Kevin-V would have reviewed it)

I agree that the whole SW hype/flop thing is flawed, but it's all in good fun until people start to take it very seriously. :P

The whole staff has a say when it comes to big games. they don't just say that "since you think its a 10, give it a 10", when its something of that caliber they certainly all discuss it.

the problem is with the scoring system itself though. when you go on a stupid .5 scale like everyone seems to be doing nowadays, this will happen constantly. for example, if cod4 was a 9.2 game, too bad it gets dropped to a 9. if mw2 was a 8.7 game, too bad it gets bumped up to 9. theres the problem. if things were like the old days everything would be more clear cut.mtradr43

We must make a petition! :P

GT5 gets 9.5..... there I said it

The whole staff has a say when it comes to big games. they don't just say that "since you think its a 10, give it a 10", when its something of that caliber they certainly all discuss it.

ActicEdge

But Kevin himself said it, and I don't want him to ban me so I believe him. :P

9.5 is the score it should get imo , the standards have raised during time since forza was released and it will keep system wars peaceful , my personal score is 10 tho with no doubt

I really don't see how it can get anything less than a 10 here. GS painted themselves into a corner with the Forza 3 score. The gameplay would have to be absolutely horrible for it to score less and they can't give GTR 5 the same score with all of the extra content and it's graphical superiority.

[QUOTE="mtradr43"] the problem is with the scoring system itself though. when you go on a stupid .5 scale like everyone seems to be doing nowadays, this will happen constantly. for example, if cod4 was a 9.2 game, too bad it gets dropped to a 9. if mw2 was a 8.7 game, too bad it gets bumped up to 9. theres the problem. if things were like the old days everything would be more clear cut.tagyhag

We must make a petition! :P

9.5 is the score it should get imo , the standards have raised during time since forza was released and it will keep system wars peaceful , my personal score is 10 tho with no doubt

AmnesiaHaze

Yeah but who actually wants that? :lol:

Ugh. Do we really want to go back to arguing .1 score differences? :(

heretrix

I find it more decisive than arguing about which game is better based on a few pixels. :P

Remember GeoW 2 vs Resistance 2?

That was such an anticlimactic day.

Which is the same score as FORZA 3.

now i know all of you are expecting that it should be greater than this score because its been developed for a longer time, more features (as listed- ex gokarting), etc

BUT lets say it does get 9.5.

Now in my opinion a 9.5 in todays date is worth more than a 9.5 that forza 3 got.

WHy woudl it be worth more? Because games have to keep up and develop more to achieve that score because standards have been set. ANd since forza 3didnt have much competition in the Sim-racing section on the consoles, it was really the best out there at that time.

NOw hypothetically speaking, if GT5 comes and does Exactly the same as forza3 with no extra features. It should not deserve the same as forza's 9.5 . Because it hasn't brought anything new to the table.

So basically what im trying to say is that If GT5 gets the same rating as FORZA 3 it wont mean that: 1. it flopped. 2. is a worse game. It could mean that it did do extra things beyond FOrza 3 but there were still some issues. 9.5 now is greater than 9.5 then.


What do u guys think?

Ribnarak

if forza 3 got a 9.5 with no competition, and GT5 got a 9.5 with competition, sorry bub, that would make GT5s 9.5 better.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The whole staff has a say when it comes to big games. they don't just say that "since you think its a 10, give it a 10", when its something of that caliber they certainly all discuss it.

tagyhag

But Kevin himself said it, and I don't want him to ban me so I believe him. :P

It seems conflicting with what he said about SMG2.

That's such craziness I don't even know how to respond.

We take a 10 seriously. This is only the 7th game in this site's history to receive one. The entire reviews team had a very long discussion about this game. And the fact of the matter is, SMG2 could not have been meaningfully improved. It is one surprise after another, one new trick after another, one gleeful section followed by one even more gleeful than the last. The review spells it all out. This game is constantly surprising, constantly entertaining. It is filled with variety. You never know what is in store for you, what slice of beauty will next be served up. What makes it special is that it DOESN'T rely on nostalgia to be good. It is pure fun in video game form--an essentially flawless stream of delights and joy, with no problems of note to distract you from its awesomeness. It is in our minds the most utterly refined platformer ever created--so astounding that it is hard to imagine how it could be built upon.

That's a 10. Amazing is amazing. It happens to be a Mario game, but that's beside the point. SMG2 is impossible to dislike and impossible to put down. But you know--you could read the review. That's the part everyone seems to miss.

Kevin V

Doesn't sound like 1 person can decide a 10 for the entire site.

Cows hyped it as the greatest racer of all time if it cant beat out Forza III which was only in development for 2 years its ownage for lemmings. In the real world though the game will probably be better then Forza III if all the hype pans out. LucLongleyMVP

What do u guys think?Ribnarak

I think you should be able to enjoy a game regardless of what an individual Gamespot reviewer thinks of it.

Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|Skittles_McGee

by standards i mean: online play feature, some customization, damage, etc.

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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

The whole staff has a say when it comes to big games. they don't just say that "since you think its a 10, give it a 10", when its something of that caliber they certainly all discuss it.

ActicEdge

But Kevin himself said it, and I don't want him to ban me so I believe him. :P

It seems conflicting with what he said about SMG2.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Forza 3's not even old. Standards didn't just leap ahead in one year :|Ribnarak

by standards i mean: online play feature, some customization, damage, etc.

But try to understand (well this is what i believe) a 9.5 now is worth more than a 9.5 that been givento a game before.

Ribnarak

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

But Kevin himself said it, and I don't want him to ban me so I believe him. :P

tagyhag

It seems conflicting with what he said about SMG2.

Read my edit, and agreed, GS search system is horrid.