So... If you criticize Dragon Age 2 Bioware can disable your games and accont.

I have no respect for EA, they are just as bad as activision if not worse. People keep saying "EA is redeeming itself" etc but it's not even coming close. They are charging for online passes, charging for extra game content that should already be in the game, charging for extra content within the game to beat other players online (see fight night champion) and supposedly can disable your account which will not let you play the game you just spent 50$ to play.

Gamers don't care though, they'll defend EA to justify their purchases or try to discredit other players who are dissing the company that they made a purchase from and EA will do the same crap they always do. Activision might be pushing out the same game every year and charging for additional content but at least they have the dignity to let you play the game you bought.

Just when ya think you've seen and heard it all... Yikes, that's pretty shameful. :?

The entire launch of this game has been a mess. At least on PC.

I guess they're just tired of all the baawing going on lately.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="110million"] No, but when they survive off of your patronage, criticism once in a while is quite justified. I think its a fully legitimate one too, Bioware has sold their soul to the EA devil, their franchises are completely unlike bioware of the past. You really think someone shouldn't be allowed to play for days for a perfectly reasonable criticism? This **** should be more illegal than pirating. Its so disgusting when people stand up for big corporations like EA when they are screwing their fellow gamer. Locutus_Picard

I don't agree with EA's policies, in fact I still refuse to this day to buy their Madden games becuae of the deal they have with the NFL. But that doesn't give me the right to log on their server and insult them. I work it out my own way. they don't owe me jack squat, even if I'm a potential customer. People abuse that WAY too often.

These are games we are talking about here. WTF is the big goddamn deal. People act like they are buying life saving medicine or something. Get a grip.

Wait, what happened in 1982?

Wait, what happened in 1982?dommeus

[QUOTE="dommeus"]Wait, what happened in 1982?110million

awesome.

[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="dommeus"]Wait, what happened in 1982?heretrix

awesome.

lol gold

anyways as far as I am concerned any business can reserve the right to not sell to anybody they like ... especially if you live your life just going around being a a##-hole, then you deserve to be treated as a pariah. However if they dont want him playing their game ... then give him his money back and tell him to go on his merry way!!!

To just take his money then not provide the service/product he paid for is stealing plain and simple, regardless of TOU. Just about any court worldwide would say the same thing.

EA ban him from your forums if you cant take criticism, no worries ... but if you want to ban him from using your product after he has paid for it then you need to give him his money back!

so bioware can dish out insults,but can't take them? lollawlessx

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6459941/1#6460241

Here's the initial post:

"So.
My other account got suspended yesterday for 72 hours. My suspended v_ware account has all my Bioware games registered to it. My other games are Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age: Origins and Awakening. I have played every game off Bioware since KOTOR, which is my favourite game of all time.

Since I have these other games and off course have played the DA2 demo, my previously unlocked DA2 content is assigned to this account.

When I got the mail I was curieus. I wanted to know what I did that was offensive. The mail stated that I was suspended for inappropriate content. There was no further explenation to what the particular reason was.

On EA Live Chat they told me that that I said: "Have you sold your souls to the EA devil?" (This is a quote, don't suspend me again)

Now, those are the words I said, you can't argue with that. I'm not going to try and sugarcoat that, let me just say in my defense, I have always been a pretty reasonable person on this forum. So I agree that you guys suspended my account from the forums for 72 hours. Btw, this is the first time I got suspended.

What I don't agree with is that I can't activate my new DA2 game.

This is the deal. I just got my Bioware Signature Edition from the store. I allready knew I was going to play it without the extra content since I can't activate my extra codes. What I did not know was that I needed to activate the game before being abble to play it. So now I've got a dead game for 50 euros. Pity.

So for your consideration. Please let someone who payed for his game at least play it."

Here's the post by the Bioware employee:

"Please review the EA Community Terms of Service, particularly sections #9 and #11. There are two levels of enforcement here:

1. BioWare community bans are forum-only and can be for as little as 24 hours. These bans should have no effect on your game, only your ability to use all the features of this website/community. these bans are handed out by BioWare Moderators as the result of our travels around the forum and/or issues reported by fellow community members.

2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC.

Because the BioWare community now operates under the same umbrella as all EA Communities, community members here have all explicitly agreed to abide by and be governed by both sets of rules. Consider it an added incentive to follow the rules you say you're going to follow.

If there are further questions or concerns, please send them to me via private message. Thank you."

This is just unacceptable. Bioware has obviously gone down the drain, I for one, won't support them anymore, they released an unfinished game that completely craps over the fans of the first game and has a dozen of DLC on Day 0.

ampiva

it's good to see moderators are all the same.

I seriously cannot believe there are people in this thread who defend what Bioware have done.

You know I wondering if we aren't getting the whole picture? We only got his words and for all we know he could be downsizing on what he did or heck maybe he got into trouble before and it stack up to a ban for a few days with this one.

You know I wondering if we aren't getting the whole picture? We only got his words and for all we know he could be downsizing on what he did or heck maybe he got into trouble before and it stack up to a ban for a few days with this one.

Wanderer5

I seriously cannot believe there are people in this thread who defend what Bioware have done.

BigBoss154

I can't believe people are defending some genius that would call someone out on being evil or the devil and yet, spend money with them. If he really wanted to play DA 2 he could have bought it from a number of places other than EA directly. Like I said earlier, the dude is in a hell of his own making. I got no sympathy for him.

Has anyone noticed that this is the only person this has happened to? I could be wrong but....just sayin.

I'm just laughing at how many times this thread people have referred to EA (Or BioWare, really?) as Nazis.

One guy has learned that maybe you shouldn't be a forum troll by receiving a 72 hour ban on his EA account. I call that a good start. It would be nice if all the other anonymous internet blowhards might actually discover that there are consequences to spewing filth in a public forum, but that's certainly not going to happen.

Just when ya think you've seen and heard it all... Yikes, that's pretty shameful. :?

SecretPolice

EA has been doing this for years, it should be illegal

gamer-adam1

[QUOTE="ampiva"]You can ban him from the forum, sure. But why the games? He paid for them, they have absolutely no right.Dire_Weasel

Heh. Read the EULA some time. They absolutely have the right.

This goes back to this idea that everyone thinks they can be anonymous douchebags online. You can't. Especially on a forum moderated by the company itself. Calling them the devil was a piss poor way of expressing your opinion about the new game. Yes you must learn to talk like a normal human being. If you wouldn't say it to their face than you shouldn't say it online. Bread_or_Decide

So, he was griping about a game that he hadn't played and decided to spend his money with a company he claims was the devil. And people feel sorry for this guy?

I'm just laughing at how many times this thread people have referred to EA (Or BioWare, really?) as Nazis.

One guy has learned that maybe you shouldn't be a forum troll by receiving a 72 hour ban on his EA account. I call that a good start. It would be nice if all the other anonymous internet blowhards might actually discover that there are consequences to spewing filth in a public forum, but that's certainly not going to happen.

Dire_Weasel

[QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

[QUOTE="ampiva"]You can ban him from the forum, sure. But why the games? He paid for them, they have absolutely no right.blackace

Heh. Read the EULA some time. They absolutely have the right.

Let me chime in here, because I'm confused and want to straighten this out in my own head. I own the Signature Edition. It requires you to go online and enter a code to unlock certain special content that's on the disc. I'm guessing his issue is that since he has been banned for 72 hours, he can't unlock that content since he can't sign on to his account. Since he's pissed about that, he came on this forum and implied that he was locked out of the entire game, which any rational person would see as bogus.

I'm not defending or complaining about Bioware or EA's decision to ban him. I don't know the whole story, and frankly I don't care. I just can't help shake the feeling that we're not being told the whole story so that the TC looks better, or he's deliberately allowing us to be mislead, or there's a serious exaggeration going on here. You don't need to be online to play the game. That is simply a fact. If that's true, how have they disabled the game? You just have to wait 72 hours until your account becomes active again to enter the code to unlock some (not all) premium content.

Whether you think that's right or wrong is a separate issue, but let's just be clear that they cannot stop you from playing the game outright just because you insulted the company. Anybody who implies otherwise is just trying to rile people up to make himself look better. Please correct me if I'm wrong, here, but I don't think I am.

This goes back to this idea that everyone thinks they can be anonymous douchebags online. You can't. Especially on a forum moderated by the company itself. Calling them the devil was a piss poor way of expressing your opinion about the new game. Yes you must learn to talk like a normal human being. If you wouldn't say it to their face than you shouldn't say it online. Bread_or_Decide

.. You can ban them from the forum if they wish.. But from the games they legally bought so they can't use DLCs.. Things they paid for? Thats poor form.. And you make it sound like they were screaming out racist statements, or involved in sexual harrassment.. And this is coming from some one that like Dragon Age 2.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

Heh. Read the EULA some time. They absolutely have the right.

heretrix

[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

I seriously cannot believe there are people in this thread who defend what Bioware have done.

heretrix

I can't believe people are defending some genius that would call someone out on being evil or the devil and yet, spend money with them. If he really wanted to play DA 2 he could have bought it from a number of places other than EA directly. Like I said earlier, the dude is in a hell of his own making. I got no sympathy for him.

Has anyone noticed that this is the only person this has happened to? I could be wrong but....just sayin.

I'm not defending anyone. He said what he said, but what Bioware/EA did, stopping him from activating his game, is absolutely atrocious. In fact, I'm sure it's illegal. Calling a company the devil, over the internet, is not. EA are within no right to do what they did. If I go to a shopkeeper after purchasing something, and call him the devil because I'm not satisfied with his product, you know what he can do? Absolutely nothing. I purchased it, so it's legally mine now. He has no power to take it away from me.

Now, as you said, it is strange that he is the only one reporting this. There probably are other factors involved, other more serious things he's not telling us. But I'm just going by what we have, here. If somebody can show can show me the EA/Bioware or whoever it was Terms of Use that says they have the right to block access to your game because of name calling, then be my guest. I know they have the right to block your game, but I find it very hard to believe that they would block it because of this petty instance. There must be something else going on.

Let me chime in here, because I'm confused and want to straighten this out in my own head. I own the Signature Edition. It requires you to go online and enter a code to unlock certain special content that's on the disc. I'm guessing his issue is that since he has been banned for 72 hours, he can't unlock that content since he can't sign on to his account. Since he's pissed about that, he came on this forum and implied that he was locked out of the entire game, which any rational person would see as bogus.

I'm not defending or complaining about Bioware or EA's decision to ban him. I don't know the whole story, and frankly I don't care. I just can't help shake the feeling that we're not being told the whole story so that the TC looks better, or he's deliberately allowing us to be mislead, or there's a serious exaggeration going on here. You don't need to be online to play the game. That is simply a fact. If that's true, how have they disabled the game? You just have to wait 72 hours until your account becomes active again to enter the code to unlock some (not all) premium content.

Whether you think that's right or wrong is a separate issue, but let's just be clear that they cannot stop you from playing the game outright just because you insulted the company. Anybody who implies otherwise is just trying to rile people up to make himself look better. Please correct me if I'm wrong, here, but I don't think I am.

romans828_2002

I'm in the same boat. While I might be missing part of the puzzle I don't see how he was prevented from playing the game? As far as I can tell, worst case scenario was that he would have to make a new BioWare account for his new game?

[QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

I'm just laughing at how many times this thread people have referred to EA (Or BioWare, really?) as Nazis.

One guy has learned that maybe you shouldn't be a forum troll by receiving a 72 hour ban on his EA account. I call that a good start. It would be nice if all the other anonymous internet blowhards might actually discover that there are consequences to spewing filth in a public forum, but that's certainly not going to happen.

WilliamRLBaker

I can't believe some people roll over for stuff like this. What a bunch of boot lickers.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

I'm just laughing at how many times this thread people have referred to EA (Or BioWare, really?) as Nazis.

One guy has learned that maybe you shouldn't be a forum troll by receiving a 72 hour ban on his EA account. I call that a good start. It would be nice if all the other anonymous internet blowhards might actually discover that there are consequences to spewing filth in a public forum, but that's certainly not going to happen.

Kiyobear

I can't believe some people roll over for stuff like this. What a bunch of boot lickers.

My thoughts exactly. If I want, I can tell EA's director to f*** off and go to hell. It's a right I have, and other than social/public impediment, there should be no consequence. Not as far as them simply taking your product away.

This is ridiculous.

Now, as you said, it is strange that he is the only one reporting this. There probably are other factors involved, other more serious things he's not telling us. But I'm just going by what we have, here. If somebody can show can show me the EA/Bioware or whoever it was Terms of Use that says they have the right to block access to your game because of name calling, then be my guest. I know they have the right to block your game, but I find it very hard to believe that they would block it because of this petty instance. There must be something else going on.

BigBoss154

The main thing about all of this that really sets me against this guy is that he bought the game from EA directly AFTER calling them the devil. Either he's nuts or not very smart. There are quite a few places he could have bought the game from if he needed it that bad.

[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

Now, as you said, it is strange that he is the only one reporting this. There probably are other factors involved, other more serious things he's not telling us. But I'm just going by what we have, here. If somebody can show can show me the EA/Bioware or whoever it was Terms of Use that says they have the right to block access to your game because of name calling, then be my guest. I know they have the right to block your game, but I find it very hard to believe that they would block it because of this petty instance. There must be something else going on.

heretrix

The main thing about all of this that really sets me against this guy is that he bought the game from EA directly AFTER calling them the devil. Either he's nuts or not very smart. There are quite a few places he could have bought the game from if he needed it that bad.

Yes, exactly. I was just going by the assumption that, if what this guy says is true, and that's all he did, then that's very bad form on EA's part.

However, there is most likely something else going on he ain't telling us. I remember a few months back, there was this guy who got banned from Xbox Live, and he said that he was banned unfairly bacause all he did was call this guy a...well, I can't say it, but you get the idea. Anyway, turns out that this guy had been severly abusing other people (different races, sexuality, etc...and even gave people death threats) over Xbox Live for a long time. Something which he failed note.

My point is, yes, you're right in saing it's very fishy.

One missing ingredient of BioWare's Dragon Age and Mass Effect series
has been any form of multiplayer. But Laidlaw's enthusiasm suggests this
may not be the case for long.

"Just from a fundamental idea: [multiplayer] absolutely would [work],"
he said. "A big part of that is going back to fundamentals of the Dragon
Age series and that sense of team; that we are stronger together than
we are divided, which is in many ways a story theme through DA2.

"Any time you have a game that is aware of the advantages of teamwork,
what it's like when multiple ****s combine their abilities, be it a
rogue not just stunning enemies but helping to conceal his friends so
that they can take damage better - that's where you do an allegory that
says yeah, we could do multiplayer here for sure.

"I do think the changes made to Dragon Age II in terms of responsiveness
are going to be things that could translate better into multiplayer
than Origins, which had that inherent delay between what I was ordering
and what was happening. It's certainly laying an interesting groundwork.

"Long-term that's something we have to consider," he added, "because
obviously multiplayer is something that's a huge undertaking, it
presents technical difficulty. And frankly it's something that if done,
has to be done really well, otherwise it feels very tacked on. So we'll
have to make any decision about that within that context."

The EA devil.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="BigBoss154"]

Now, as you said, it is strange that he is the only one reporting this. There probably are other factors involved, other more serious things he's not telling us. But I'm just going by what we have, here. If somebody can show can show me the EA/Bioware or whoever it was Terms of Use that says they have the right to block access to your game because of name calling, then be my guest. I know they have the right to block your game, but I find it very hard to believe that they would block it because of this petty instance. There must be something else going on.

BigBoss154

The main thing about all of this that really sets me against this guy is that he bought the game from EA directly AFTER calling them the devil. Either he's nuts or not very smart. There are quite a few places he could have bought the game from if he needed it that bad.

Yes, exactly. I was just going by the assumption that, if what this guy says is true, and that's all he did, then that's very bad form on EA's part.

However, there is most likely something else going on he ain't telling us. I remember a few months back, there was this guy who got banned from Xbox Live, and he said that he was banned unfairly bacause all he did was call this guy a...well, I can't say it, but you get the idea. Anyway, turns out that this guy had been severly abusing other people (different races, sexuality, etc...and even gave people death threats) over Xbox Live for a long time.

My point is, yes, you're right in saing it's very fishy.

Getting outraged at half a story is lolworthy. (again not saying you did).

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

I'm just laughing at how many times this thread people have referred to EA (Or BioWare, really?) as Nazis.

One guy has learned that maybe you shouldn't be a forum troll by receiving a 72 hour ban on his EA account. I call that a good start. It would be nice if all the other anonymous internet blowhards might actually discover that there are consequences to spewing filth in a public forum, but that's certainly not going to happen.

Kiyobear

I can't believe some people roll over for stuff like this. What a bunch of boot lickers.

Roll over? Boot lickers?

Take a step back, kiddo. I know that the very idea of some poor soul not having access to a game for 72 hours is making you pull out all your big guns, but try and keep it in perspective, OK?

[QUOTE="romans828_2002"]

Let me chime in here, because I'm confused and want to straighten this out in my own head. I own the Signature Edition. It requires you to go online and enter a code to unlock certain special content that's on the disc. I'm guessing his issue is that since he has been banned for 72 hours, he can't unlock that content since he can't sign on to his account. Since he's pissed about that, he came on this forum and implied that he was locked out of the entire game, which any rational person would see as bogus.

I'm not defending or complaining about Bioware or EA's decision to ban him. I don't know the whole story, and frankly I don't care. I just can't help shake the feeling that we're not being told the whole story so that the TC looks better, or he's deliberately allowing us to be mislead, or there's a serious exaggeration going on here. You don't need to be online to play the game. That is simply a fact. If that's true, how have they disabled the game? You just have to wait 72 hours until your account becomes active again to enter the code to unlock some (not all) premium content.

Whether you think that's right or wrong is a separate issue, but let's just be clear that they cannot stop you from playing the game outright just because you insulted the company. Anybody who implies otherwise is just trying to rile people up to make himself look better. Please correct me if I'm wrong, here, but I don't think I am.

Mazoch

I'm in the same boat. While I might be missing part of the puzzle I don't see how he was prevented from playing the game? As far as I can tell, worst case scenario was that he would have to make a new BioWare account for his new game?

Ok, based on a post by Kotaku, it looks like it's not an issue with BioWare but the EA's Online store. Since his forum account is tied to his EA Store account, when it was banned it also banned him from the EA store. Do I agree with this? No.. or at least I'm torn about the issue. But it's no diffrent from what STEAM does (or GFWL or Xbox Live...).

The damage control on the forums is a laugh. The matter is pretty disgusting. skrat_01

People defending a guy who was trolling is disgusting, we only saw 1 phrase from the guys post yet he posted a paragraph of what a EA responded to.

As I've seen many trolling on SW and the GS DA2 forums since tuesday and if he is anything like those trolls, you can bet he said more than just "you sold your souls to EA". I would bet my 2006 subaru impreza that guy took everything out of context to make it like he did nothing.

Remember the innocent aren't always innocent.

[QUOTE="dommeus"]Wait, what happened in 1982?110million

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]The damage control on the forums is a laugh. The matter is pretty disgusting. Ballroompirate

People defending a guy who was trolling is disgusting, we only saw 1 phrase from the guys post yet he posted a paragraph of what a EA responded to.

As I've seen many trolling on SW and the GS DA2 forums since tuesday and if he is anything like those trolls, you can bet he said more than just "you sold your souls to EA". I would bet my 2006 subaru impreza that guy took everything out of context to make it like he did nothing.

Remember the innocent aren't always innocent.

Some people missed the point entirely. Nobody is defending this person but the moral of the story is not "keep your mouth shut".

People who look at this situation and, no matter what he "SAID", believe that being banned from a game he payed for is just, are tools.

It seems some people take what is said on the internet very seriously indeed. That's sad. If you will keep your mouth shut out of fear of being unable to play a game you purchased you're a floor mat.

He could have called them the devil on any other forum. Shoulda been smarter than to post that in the official forum. Bread_or_Decide

Totally beside the point.

But hey, just remember to keep your mouth shut and everything will be ok.

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]The damage control on the forums is a laugh. The matter is pretty disgusting. Kiyobear

People defending a guy who was trolling is disgusting, we only saw 1 phrase from the guys post yet he posted a paragraph of what a EA responded to.

As I've seen many trolling on SW and the GS DA2 forums since tuesday and if he is anything like those trolls, you can bet he said more than just "you sold your souls to EA". I would bet my 2006 subaru impreza that guy took everything out of context to make it like he did nothing.

Remember the innocent aren't always innocent.

Some people missed the point entirely. Nobody is defending this person but the moral of the story is not "keep your mouth shut".

People who look at this situation and, no matter what he "SAID", believe that being banned from a game he payed for is just, are tools.

It seems some people take what is said on the internet very seriously indeed. That's sad. If you will keep your mouth shut out of fear of being unable to play a game you purchased you're a floor mat.

The guy bought the game, from what I understand he didn't even play it and he had the nerve to call Bioware sellouts. Thats just....I can't even feel sorry for the guy for doing something so stupid, if he didn't like what Bioware is doing, don't buy the game, it's that easy.

[QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

[QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

People defending a guy who was trolling is disgusting, we only saw 1 phrase from the guys post yet he posted a paragraph of what a EA responded to.

As I've seen many trolling on SW and the GS DA2 forums since tuesday and if he is anything like those trolls, you can bet he said more than just "you sold your souls to EA". I would bet my 2006 subaru impreza that guy took everything out of context to make it like he did nothing.

Remember the innocent aren't always innocent.

Ballroompirate

Some people missed the point entirely. Nobody is defending this person but the moral of the story is not "keep your mouth shut".

People who look at this situation and, no matter what he "SAID", believe that being banned from a game he payed for is just, are tools.

It seems some people take what is said on the internet very seriously indeed. That's sad. If you will keep your mouth shut out of fear of being unable to play a game you purchased you're a floor mat.

The guy bought the game, from what I understand he didn't even play it and he had the nerve to call Bioware sellouts. Thats just....I can't even feel sorry for the guy for doing something so stupid, if he didn't like what Bioware is doing, don't buy the game, it's that easy.

You people scare me. It's the little things that reveal who we are. Life is in the details. If you're willing to roll over and say it's ok for a company to do something as silly as prevent someone from playing a video game; a totally trivial activity; I think you're going to crawl around on your belly for the big stuff, no questions asked.

Turns out it was a glitch (according to EA, anyway; conspiracy theories no doubt to follow), and that they had meant to suspend only his BioWare Social account (which is still a **** move, but at least a quasi-understandable one).

You people scare me. It's the little things that reveal who we are. Life is in the details.

Kiyobear