So Black Spiderman is incoming...huh... Nay or Yay?

Problem is that the chick in Ironman is lame.

The new ghostrider is kind of cool, but he has baggage holding him down.

Does this thread belong in the Off-Topic forum? How is a comic book character discussion relevant to System Wars or even gaming?

@foxhound_fox: LOL I figure someone was gonna post or say that Captain Falcon :P

Another example is Captain Marvel. The original Captain Marvel passed on his title to Carol Denvers, who went from being Ms. Marvel to Captain Marvel. And then Carol Denvers passed on her previous Ms. Marvel title to a new Ms. Marvel called Kamala Khan. Comics have had successor characters for a while now.

Miles is his own character so if he is the next spider-man then it’s just how they are telling the story. Now would I mind if they made “Peter Parker” black? Eh, not really but you can’t just change a characters race and call it a day, you would need to change other things as well but not everything because then you wouldn’t have “Peter Parker” anymore.

He is spiderman in multiple other universes and was brought into the main universe as well.

Yeah but were they black?!?!?!

/sarcasm

wow sony fans are super racist ITT. expected.

You're a trump supporter lmao

lmao, who cares? I'm fine with some black representation in gaming, specially a big one like Spiderman, I hope this happens. Stop being racist.

I don't think he\she is...

@Nick3306: In the Ultimate universe which got wiped out. Now hes back up spiderman.

Was it last year or this year that an animated Spiderman featuring a minority as P.P. was/is being released for Christmas? It looked alright.

He's not peter parker. He's a character that has existed for a while in the comics.

But he's Spiderman?

Maybe do some research before making a thread next time.

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Miles_Morales_(Earth-1610)

He's this kid. Basically an additional spider-man.

@Jag85: Yes and marvel sales flopped. It's the reason they are bringing back all the originals because lazy race/gender swaps haven't worked well.

lol... But seriously, the "Captain Marvel" title passed from a man to a woman, while the "Ms. Marvel" title passed from a white woman to a brown girl. So it's similar to how the "Spider-Man" title has passed from a white man to a black boy.

The examples mentioned (e.g. Spider-Man, Captain America, Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel) are not race/gender swaps. They are entirely different characters who later became successors that inherited the title. And these successors have their own individual backstories, so they're not lazy swaps. Also, at least two of these successors are getting their own new movies, Captain Marvel and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.

Marvel comic sales have been declining for a long time now. Even the MCU, which has been dominating the box office for nearly a decade, has failed to give a boost to Marvel comic sales. In fact, both Marvel and DC have been overtaken by Viz Media (a manga distributor) as the largest comic-book publisher in North America (despite the lack of a manga/anime presence at the box office). Blaming the decline of Marvel comics on diversity would be incorrect, since the decline started long before there was ever a diversity push in comics, and diverse comic-books have generally had better sales than non-diverse comic-books in recent years.

The reasons for the decline of Marvel comics are complex. A big reason is the decline of the traditional single-issue comic market, which is where Marvel and DC have been dominant. This has coincided with the rise of the trade-paperback/graphic-novel market, which has been dominated by manga books as well as diverse comic-books. Marvel Comics' decline is partly because they have been too reliant on the declining single-issue market and slow to respond to the rising trade-paperback market. In other words, diversity is helping Marvel comic sales, not hurting it.

Spiderwoman can't be far behind. :P

@Jag85: Yea sorry but thats not true.

https://www.lifezette.com/2017/04/diversity-push-may-hurt-marvels-comic-sales/

The original characters are the ones that get the vast majority of sales.

And yes they are lazy race/ gender swaps. Using the same title having most of the same powers is lazy plain and simple. Miles Morales would have been more entertaining if he wasn't just s black Spiderman.

I kinda like the kid, Plus his spider costume being black and red is awesome. Can't wait for the next game

Black Batman would be more funny, people would just end up calling him Blackman.

Loved Spider-Ham when I was a kid.

@ivangrozny:

Miles Morales has actually already built a concrete Spiderman universe in the past. And it turns out that he's actually a really cool Spiderman too! Equipped with unique powers too, aside from the bare essentials.

What's wrong with Miles Moralis?

You know, not to start a whole thing, but if you made peter black, and kept everything else the same, nothing would change. So why is it so important that he be white? Other than he was created in a time where every hero was white and had to be white or else.

Exactly. It would be a useless change just because. I expect that if you're going to change a character, then there should be some effort put into it besides just changing their skin color. A black Peter Parker clone is lazy and some might find it insulting.

Why would anyone find it insulting?

My issue is simply with changing a character's race for pandering sakes. Miles Morales is a great addition to the Spider-Verse and a good character, hence why they brought him over to the main universe. Just my Two Cents.

Yeah but the reason 99% of all main characters were white was another kind of pandering and even an agenda of sorts.

Yeah, but now they're established characters. I'd feel the same if they made Miles Morales white.

I'm ok with it as long as the story is good but I do prefer Peter Parker specially they did a great job with him this game!

Lol TC was going to make a big fuss about it, but then like has other thread about PC graphics... backfired.

Simply because it shows that the creators put very little effort into representing that race. It shows they put the smallest amount to just say they did it and that they expect people to just be ok with it and pay them for it. It's better that they go the route of replacing the hero with another individual with their own unique backstory and character than just slap a skin tone and call it a day.

But when they made them white in the first place, that's exactly what they did. Slap the most popular race and call it a day. I mean, there's no culture to peter parker that connects him to his skin color. Same with clark kent. Although he's an alien.

Well they're not representing a race though. Not one real person, let alone an entire race. That would be quite the achievement if they could represent an entire race of people. But aside from that I kind of agree.

I would have a problem with it (same as you) insofar that there's the idea that his skin color needs to change in the first place. Like, just to appease the internet or say they did it? But if that's not the idea at all and they're simply using random skin colors for Peter Parker because they don't care at all, then that solves most of the problem. (How would you convince people of that, though? Especially now.) I mean it would still be weird. Immersion-wise or lore-wise that would be weird. Like you build a history with a character and now he suddenly looks considerably different without an explanation. To be fair I had to get used to the way Peter looks in the PS4 game. Because I only knew Peter from the animated series. But I think they did cast him well.

There is one interesting argument I caught about Ciri in the The Witcher film they are making. So there was the rumour that they were looking for an Asian/ethnic minority actress to play the part of Cirilla. Lorewise that may get a little funky since... well... Destiny... Geralt... but whatever. The thing is, someone argued that by holding true to the book description of Geralt, but not bothering to do that with Ciri, they made it seem as if Ciri doesn't matter that much to them. Like you need to have certain characteristics to play Geralt, but to play Ciri it doesn't matter what you look like, it'll do. The argument is essentially that by allowing anyone to play a role you can also devalue that character in a way. And that's the other part of what you just said, I suppose. If they would make Peter black or red or grey, it would make it seem like they don't really care much for the comics or series prior to the game. That they care to depict things/characters somewhat as we know them is part of the value of the game. So I think they always need to be mindful of the things they change, to not come across as if they're not really fans themselves.

Anyone but the current one would be preferred, he is even worse than the reboot after Maguire.

But it would be good to see a decent looking female spiderman.

Ditto!...want new coloured superheroes, create new ones..just look at Japan, they come up with new superheroes each anime/live action series. If the story is good & characters are good it will stand...if not then back to drawing board.

But at least when they did they built a character around him. They didn't make Super White Man where his powers were his whiteness. When they wanted to give superman powers to a woman, they didn't change superman to be a woman. They wrote in Super Girl, his cousin.

Think of it this way, would it be a good idea to have Luke Cage be exactly the same except be a white man? A lot of his character stems from being a black man during the time period he was created. You think it would just sit right with people if they left everything about him the same but made him white? Why would it be different the other way around?

Is that a problem for you?

Peter is Spider-Man to me. I had stopped paying attention to comics by the time Miles came along. If the character has a fun personality I would be okay with it, but I think it will play out more as a mentor/student thing and not a replacement. Peter is what makes Spider-Man an interesting character and I think that is true for a lot of Spider-Man fans, so I don't think they would ever full on replace him in any games or movies in the near future.

@blackhairedhero:

Some of the claims made in that article have been refuted by another more recent article:

Comic Sales Figures Prove To Marvel: Diversity Isn't The Problem

Like I said above, the single-issue market where Marvel and DC operate is declining, while the rising trade-paperback/graphic-novel market is where diverse comics outsell non-diverse comics. That is how Viz Media overtook both Marvel and DC, by selling their manga to the paperback market.

As for the issue about successor characters, they could continue both the original legacy characters and the successor character stories in alternate universes. That way, they can cater to both markets. It's not a zero-sum game.

I prefer Peter Parker movies,games.

The difference is that white is the dominant super hero color. Taking one of the only five black ones, versus taking one of the 200 white ones, well that's a big difference.

Aside from japan being super racist, all their anime characters have Caucasian features. Not sure if that's the best example of diversity done right.

Nothing an old comic collector says is going to be “ok” by today’s standards. I simply wonder where the creativity is? You want African American super heroes? Create new ones. Why do old ones need to be changed?