@Bread_or_Decide said:
@jereb31: why does that make you so mad?
I'm just angry all the time, like the hulk but angrier and much more sassy.
SJW ruined Battlefield 5? AngryJoe in trouble for defending women
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@GarGx1 said:
@texasgoldrush said:
@GarGx1: You completely ignored everything I have said. And how was I defending communist regime? Look at my post again.
Did Stalin kill because communism is bad, or did he kill because of trying to hold onto his power? In fact, after Stalin died, there was a huge De-stalinifciation effort in the Soviet Union, and successive regimes were far less deadly (and even horrified by Mao and Pol Pot), so it wasn't the communism. Nazism on the other hand, is inherently evil, and their killings come from ideology, like the Holocaust. That is the difference. Communism is flawed, even hypocritical, but its not inherently evil. Fascism, Nazism, and apartheid regimes are, because their ideology in itself is morally disgraceful.
Stalin, Khrushchev and Brezhnev were all dictators ruling an oppressive and dictatorial regime and it wasn't until Gorbachev came along and he realised the USSR was broke and had lost the cold war then the "party" lost most of its' power. Putin would bring it all back in an instant if he had the money to do it but Russia has an economy of comparable size to Italy and for that we should be thankful..
I have no idea where you're from but I was in Berlin when the wall came down (it coincided with the start of the my time in the British army) and you will never meet people so unbelievably happy to be free of the communists that had ruled over the East Germans and the rest of the Warsaw pact with an iron fist since the end of the WW2. The tales of cruelty some of these people lived through will stay with me until my dying day.
Communism is nothing but the opposite side of the same coin as fascism and I can assure you, you would not want to live under a communist regime. Give me capitalism any day, I may never be rich enough to own a Yacht or a gold plated Ferrari but at least I get paid a decent wage and can give my family a decent life. That is something most of us would never aspire to under any kind of extremist rule be it communist, fascist or monarchic.
By the way if we lived under communist rule, we would not be having this conversation and most likely would be, at the very least, imprisoned and more likely executed for doing so.
Well, that's completely false. It shows again that Westerners were fed anti-Communist propaganda on daily basis as you show a complete lack of understanding of Soviet history. Thank you Hollywood. I will clarify. Stalin was the only dictator. Khrushchev and Brezhnev were not. They were just general secretaries or , more closely to a Western term, prime ministers. All the political decisions were taking by the ruling Workers Party. You may call Workers Party dictatorial, but it was comprised of hundreds of members of all social classes, with dozens of women in it, which was well ahead of its time. Khrushchev and Brezhnev were just very influential political figures, but they never carried too much power. Not like Stallin. All political decisions were voted by the Soviet congress first. But the Weest perpetuate this completely false idea that the Soviet Union didn't have voting or all decisions were made by "evil dictators". If anything, Soviet Union was one of the most progressive leftist ideologies back then.. for its time. Calling Soviet Union political structure dictatorship is like calling California being leftist dictatorship today.
Communism is nothing but the opposite side of the same coin as fascism and I can assure you, you would not want to live under a communist regime. Give me capitalism any day, I may never be rich enough to own a Yacht or a gold plated Ferrari but at least I get paid a decent wage and can give my family a decent life. That is something most of us would never aspire to under any kind of extremist rule be it communist, fascist or monarchic.
Jesus Christ. Do you even know what communism ideology stands for? The fact that you are paid a decent wage today you owe to communism. Communism started the workers rights movement. It's because of communist revolutions that capitalists got scared and started to give in and improving workers life standards and wages. In the beginning of the 19th century most workers were working at factories 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for minimal wage. Have you ever read Charles Dickens for god sake? Do you think he was writing just about a few poor guys? No. He was writing about how the majority of people were living back then. And even today, capitalism doesn't guarantee you will get a decent wage. Look at India, most of Latin America, most of Africa, most of Asia, do they have high wages? Right...Oh, and even in the US, you would only have a decent wage if you were White American. Ask American black and asians, when they started to be treated like human beings. Only by the end of the 20th century.
And when it comes down to Russia, most of the Russian population, like 90% of it, were peasants. Being a peasant in Russia meant that you would live all your life in the fields and you would die in the fields. So, despite whatever you may think today, communism was actually a big upgrade in the living standards. It gave Russian peasants alternatives. They could actually aspire to more than working day and night in the field until they die. Communism gave them free education and medicine, which was much more than Tsarist Capitalist Russia ever gave them. It was the first country to fly to space. Nice progress compared that just half a century ago Russia was a peasants empire.
@texasgoldrush said:
@GarGx1: You completely ignored everything I have said. And how was I defending communist regime? Look at my post again.
Did Stalin kill because communism is bad, or did he kill because of trying to hold onto his power? In fact, after Stalin died, there was a huge De-stalinifciation effort in the Soviet Union, and successive regimes were far less deadly (and even horrified by Mao and Pol Pot), so it wasn't the communism. Nazism on the other hand, is inherently evil, and their killings come from ideology, like the Holocaust. That is the difference. Communism is flawed, even hypocritical, but its not inherently evil. Fascism, Nazism, and apartheid regimes are, because their ideology in itself is morally disgraceful.
No I really haven't, you're claiming that communism is "less" evil than Fascism, I'm saying they are equally evil. In fact if you go on the number of people who have died under the rule of either extreme then communism has killed far, far more people than Fascism. Only Monarchic societies top communism for the deaths of it's own and other country's civilians.
@ivangrozny How was that freedom of the press in mother Russia? Did you get lots of balanced points of view from around the world under communist rule?
You may want to tell that to your comrades living in East Germany, Yugoslavia, Poland, Romania etc. who lived under Soviet rule for the latter half of the twentieth century. Or maybe the Ukrainians, the Georgians, the Armenians or perhaps the Chetchens would agree with you even if the eastern Europeans don't? Communism in the USSR was far from the equality utopia it was supposed to be. Tell me though, who voted your equivalent of "prime ministers" into power? Was it the elite, or should that be the more equal, or was it the people?
Charles Dickens novels were written about a society living under an Empirical/Monarchic rule with a sham of democracy behind it (one of the few that can truly out do the cruelty perpetuated to those living under the rule of the USSR and Nazi Germany combined). Oddly though The British Empire rule is rather reminiscent of a general secretary being backed up by an elite few making the rules. Besides I'm pretty sure I said I wouldn't want to live in a monarchic society either.
That's fine list of countries, lets look a bit closer shall we? India, massive poor population that far out strips it's existing infrastructure and GDP. most of Latin America, odd that the poorest countries in South America are failed "socialist" republics. Most of Africa, a continent raped by the world's super powers (British Empire, French Empire etc. and latterly China, Russia and the good old US of A) and largely left in the hands of dictators and war lords, not the nicest place to live but not the result of capitalism and more the fault of the corrupt ruling Africans (I know a fair few Africans from various countries and I listen to them when they talk about where they have come from). Most Asia, are we including China, North Korea, Vietnam and Laos? Because that's kind of 70% (maybe more) of the eastern Asian population. As for Blacks and Asians living in the U.S., the way they have been treated by their own adopted country is deplorable (not that a lot of Africans chose to go there in the first place) but even then the death toll pales in comparison to any population living under an extremist rule.
Look at the end of the day all I'm saying, Fascism doesn't work, it turns in to a dictatorship and people die, Communism does't work, it turns into a dictatorship and people die. It's the people that are the problem, not the idea, and when people are involved some will always come to dominate the rest and when that happens you can forget all about the philosophy's roots. It's always best to stay well clear of extremism of any sort and that includes Neo-Nazi's, Fascists, Anarchists and SJW's, they should only be allowed a voice for people to laugh at them and walk on by (hmmm... never thought of myself as an idealist?)
@Shewgenja said:
@kali-b1rd: Entertain this idea with me, but its possible that there are scenarios in BFV that entirely incorporate women in a historically accurate context. I may be giving Dice too much credit here, but a lot of European resistance fighters and saboteurs just happened to be women. In a very real sense, women would be your "special forces" even on the western front.
See, your head is already in full spin mode, but if I were a scenario planner for the campaign, I'd make you look stupid as all hell. It's kinda okay to keep an open mind. Hell, your contingent sounds a whole freaking lot like your the ones who need some historic accuracy while wagging your finger.
IF that is the case in very restricted scenarios thne yes it would make sense.
Only we both know that is not the case and that you can pick it whenver you want. Same with call of duty.
Your wonderful "what if scenarios" are just that....
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@goldenelementxl said:
@kali-b1rd said:
None of those games are based on War Times that MAINLY White Men fought and died for thier countries. anyone percieving this debate as "lol woman" are purposlely mis-representing the arguement, this is about WW1/WW2... not modern/sci fi.
Sorry I forget its now "insensitive" when you highlight something primarily white men achieved.
So you were upset about the blacks in BF1 too then, right?
Dude, fiction games based on non-fiction wars is serious business. How else are these little kids supposed to feel like manly grown up men? Blacks and womens on the cover kills their boner.
You can make all the jokes you like until things get twisted that you like, the very fact that you people just think changing facts to fiction for inclusion is somehow the BEST way to do EVERYTHING for those virtue points just baffles me, it really does.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Mercenary848 said:
Really glad most of Sw isnt on the incel train. We get it SJWs are annoyin but people act like they are this big force in gaming, get over it you right wing man children
99% of games are fine, and plenty are inclusive and don't upset anyone. It's when you mess with an established white/male franchise that the little kids start to have tantrums. Truly this is the age of trump.
When you mess with what were mostly trying-to-be authentic game franchies based on actual wars... yea ... nobody is crying about Woman or Minorities in Modern Warfare games, but ofcourse, you will twist however you like, the complete lack of empathy for the opposing arguement and lack of thinking for ones self...
If you just want to throw muddy stereotypes then you would easily come under the White Knight "defend all the non white males and you might get pussy points" crowd. well done.
@kali-b1rd: Take your head out of your butt. Just be real, you were one of the kids complaining about GTA SA having a black main. You just like to play as charachters that look like you, stop projecting.....and GROW UP.
Remember when Angry Joe demanded Doirto Pope show more PC games at VGA's, and when Dorito Pope asked him to list some, he couldm't'?
Keep up the good work.
@Mercenary848 said:
@kali-b1rd: Take your head out of your butt. Just be real, you were one of the kids complaining about GTA SA having a black main. You just like to play as charachters that look like you, stop projecting.....and GROW UP.
Nice try, but no I wasn't.
And no I don't, do you feel you won some virtue points by making things up about me?
You people just resort to the same tired rhetoric, maybe you should take your own advice. Can't comprehend that this isn't about being Sexist or Racist... its not hard, you can get there, I believe in you.
That mind set is just the same level of Toxic as the Racists/Sexists ... just in the reverse direction, come back to the centre. sort yourself out.
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@goldenelementxl said:
@kali-b1rd said:
None of those games are based on War Times that MAINLY White Men fought and died for thier countries. anyone percieving this debate as "lol woman" are purposlely mis-representing the arguement, this is about WW1/WW2... not modern/sci fi.
Sorry I forget its now "insensitive" when you highlight something primarily white men achieved.
So you were upset about the blacks in BF1 too then, right?
Dude, fiction games based on non-fiction wars is serious business. How else are these little kids supposed to feel like manly grown up men? Blacks and womens on the cover kills their boner.
You can make all the jokes you like until things get twisted that you like, the very fact that you people just think changing facts to fiction for inclusion is somehow the BEST way to do EVERYTHING for those virtue points just baffles me, it really does.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Mercenary848 said:
Really glad most of Sw isnt on the incel train. We get it SJWs are annoyin but people act like they are this big force in gaming, get over it you right wing man children
99% of games are fine, and plenty are inclusive and don't upset anyone. It's when you mess with an established white/male franchise that the little kids start to have tantrums. Truly this is the age of trump.
When you mess with what were mostly trying-to-be authentic game franchies based on actual wars... yea ... nobody is crying about Woman or Minorities in Modern Warfare games, but ofcourse, you will twist however you like, the complete lack of empathy for the opposing arguement and lack of thinking for ones self...
If you just want to throw muddy stereotypes then you would easily come under the White Knight "defend all the non white males and you might get pussy points" crowd. well done.
When exactly did Battle Field V ever claim to be 100% historically accurate?
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@goldenelementxl said:
So you were upset about the blacks in BF1 too then, right?
Dude, fiction games based on non-fiction wars is serious business. How else are these little kids supposed to feel like manly grown up men? Blacks and womens on the cover kills their boner.
You can make all the jokes you like until things get twisted that you like, the very fact that you people just think changing facts to fiction for inclusion is somehow the BEST way to do EVERYTHING for those virtue points just baffles me, it really does.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@Mercenary848 said:
Really glad most of Sw isnt on the incel train. We get it SJWs are annoyin but people act like they are this big force in gaming, get over it you right wing man children
99% of games are fine, and plenty are inclusive and don't upset anyone. It's when you mess with an established white/male franchise that the little kids start to have tantrums. Truly this is the age of trump.
When you mess with what were mostly trying-to-be authentic game franchies based on actual wars... yea ... nobody is crying about Woman or Minorities in Modern Warfare games, but ofcourse, you will twist however you like, the complete lack of empathy for the opposing arguement and lack of thinking for ones self...
If you just want to throw muddy stereotypes then you would easily come under the White Knight "defend all the non white males and you might get pussy points" crowd. well done.
When exactly did Battle Field ever claim to be 100% historically accurate?
When did it decide not to follow as many standard historic conventions as possible (for the games?)
When did it become ok to remove Nazi flags despite being a very real part of our history? Because of a backwater minor hate groups that barely exist in a range of countries?
Why have mainstream places like Amazon and Ebay removed Historical Nazi Items?
Because people with the kind of mind sets in this thread.
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
Dude, fiction games based on non-fiction wars is serious business. How else are these little kids supposed to feel like manly grown up men? Blacks and womens on the cover kills their boner.
You can make all the jokes you like until things get twisted that you like, the very fact that you people just think changing facts to fiction for inclusion is somehow the BEST way to do EVERYTHING for those virtue points just baffles me, it really does.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
99% of games are fine, and plenty are inclusive and don't upset anyone. It's when you mess with an established white/male franchise that the little kids start to have tantrums. Truly this is the age of trump.
When you mess with what were mostly trying-to-be authentic game franchies based on actual wars... yea ... nobody is crying about Woman or Minorities in Modern Warfare games, but ofcourse, you will twist however you like, the complete lack of empathy for the opposing arguement and lack of thinking for ones self...
If you just want to throw muddy stereotypes then you would easily come under the White Knight "defend all the non white males and you might get pussy points" crowd. well done.
When exactly did Battle Field ever claim to be 100% historically accurate?
When did it decidee not to follow as many standard historic conventions as possible (for the games?)
When did it become ok to remove Nazi flags despite being a very real part of our history? Because of a backwater minor hate groups that barely exist in a range of countries?
Why have mainstream places like Amazon and Ebay removed Historical Nazi Items?
Because people with the kind of mind sets in this thread.
Calm down there, you're triggered buddy. Take ten deep breathes.
When did BFV claim to be historically accurate? Give me the quote from the dev where they said the game was going for 100% historical accuracy.
Oh hey, If found a quote.
"As executive producer Aleksander Grøndal said on Twitter, “We will always put fun over authentic.”"
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
You can make all the jokes you like until things get twisted that you like, the very fact that you people just think changing facts to fiction for inclusion is somehow the BEST way to do EVERYTHING for those virtue points just baffles me, it really does.
When you mess with what were mostly trying-to-be authentic game franchies based on actual wars... yea ... nobody is crying about Woman or Minorities in Modern Warfare games, but ofcourse, you will twist however you like, the complete lack of empathy for the opposing arguement and lack of thinking for ones self...
If you just want to throw muddy stereotypes then you would easily come under the White Knight "defend all the non white males and you might get pussy points" crowd. well done.
When exactly did Battle Field ever claim to be 100% historically accurate?
When did it decidee not to follow as many standard historic conventions as possible (for the games?)
When did it become ok to remove Nazi flags despite being a very real part of our history? Because of a backwater minor hate groups that barely exist in a range of countries?
Why have mainstream places like Amazon and Ebay removed Historical Nazi Items?
Because people with the kind of mind sets in this thread.
Calm down there, you're triggered buddy. Take ten deep breathes.
When did BFV claim to be historically accurate? Give me the quote from the dev where they said the game was going for 100% historical accuracy.
Why do I need to do this, when BF5 has changed from its standard pattern? with a Lead Game Designer that was clearly a SJW and thought he was being "progressive and clever" then got triggered and REEEEEEEEE'd on twitter when people wern't happy with it.
Given this is an outlier for the franchise, I have no reason to take your question seriously... as if they release "Political design agendas" as part of thier reveals... cmon man, talk about a godamn strawman.
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
When exactly did Battle Field ever claim to be 100% historically accurate?
When did it decidee not to follow as many standard historic conventions as possible (for the games?)
When did it become ok to remove Nazi flags despite being a very real part of our history? Because of a backwater minor hate groups that barely exist in a range of countries?
Why have mainstream places like Amazon and Ebay removed Historical Nazi Items?
Because people with the kind of mind sets in this thread.
Calm down there, you're triggered buddy. Take ten deep breathes.
When did BFV claim to be historically accurate? Give me the quote from the dev where they said the game was going for 100% historical accuracy.
Why do I need to do this, when BF5 has changed from its standard pattern? with a Lead Game Designer that was clearly a SJW and thought he was being "progressive and clever" then got triggered and REEEEEEEEE'd on twitter?
Given this is an outlier for the franchise, I have no reason to take your question seriously... as if they release "Political design agendas" as part of thier reveals... cmon man, talk about a godamn strawman.
So the dev never claimed the game would be 100% historically accurate.
And you're upset that it's not 100% historically accurate.
So pretend it's like resistance or wolfenstein and move on with your life. Want to fight a real war? Join the army.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
When did it decidee not to follow as many standard historic conventions as possible (for the games?)
When did it become ok to remove Nazi flags despite being a very real part of our history? Because of a backwater minor hate groups that barely exist in a range of countries?
Why have mainstream places like Amazon and Ebay removed Historical Nazi Items?
Because people with the kind of mind sets in this thread.
Calm down there, you're triggered buddy. Take ten deep breathes.
When did BFV claim to be historically accurate? Give me the quote from the dev where they said the game was going for 100% historical accuracy.
Why do I need to do this, when BF5 has changed from its standard pattern? with a Lead Game Designer that was clearly a SJW and thought he was being "progressive and clever" then got triggered and REEEEEEEEE'd on twitter?
Given this is an outlier for the franchise, I have no reason to take your question seriously... as if they release "Political design agendas" as part of thier reveals... cmon man, talk about a godamn strawman.
So the dev never claimed to be 100% historically accurate.
And you're upset that it's not 100% historically accurate.
So pretend it's like resistance or wolfenstein and move on with your life. Want to fight a real war? Join the army.
Cool, now we will have no historical based games, because we shouldn't complain about any change in direction, should always accept whatever is thrown out, if notyour a racist/sexist.
Sounds about right?
Only one side threw mud in all this to begin with, the side that assumes everything is about hating non-white males, sound familiar?
Would it shock you to learn that 9/10 games where I can choose, I play female?
GTA SA was my favourite in the series.
The only reason these arguements continue is because I can't stand the self-righteous virtue signalling sheep that can't look at the base-debate without shouting RACIST/SEXIST and this kinda crap is happening with EVERYTHING politic... or these days non-political entertainment.
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
When did it decidee not to follow as many standard historic conventions as possible (for the games?)
When did it become ok to remove Nazi flags despite being a very real part of our history? Because of a backwater minor hate groups that barely exist in a range of countries?
Why have mainstream places like Amazon and Ebay removed Historical Nazi Items?
Because people with the kind of mind sets in this thread.
Calm down there, you're triggered buddy. Take ten deep breathes.
When did BFV claim to be historically accurate? Give me the quote from the dev where they said the game was going for 100% historical accuracy.
Why do I need to do this, when BF5 has changed from its standard pattern? with a Lead Game Designer that was clearly a SJW and thought he was being "progressive and clever" then got triggered and REEEEEEEEE'd on twitter?
Given this is an outlier for the franchise, I have no reason to take your question seriously... as if they release "Political design agendas" as part of thier reveals... cmon man, talk about a godamn strawman.
So the dev never claimed to be 100% historically accurate.
And you're upset that it's not 100% historically accurate.
So pretend it's like resistance or wolfenstein and move on with your life. Want to fight a real war? Join the army.
Cool, now we will have no historical based games, because we shouldn't complain about any change in direction, should always accept whatever is thrown out, if notyour a racist/sexist.
Sounds about right?
Only one side threw mud in all this to begin with, the side that assumes everything is about hating non-white males, sound familiar?
Would it shock you to learn that 9/10 games where I can choose, I play female?
GTA SA was my favourite in the series.
The only reason these arguements continue is because I can't stand the self-righteous virtue signalling sheep that can't look at the base-debate without shouting RACIST/SEXIST and this kinda crap is happening with EVERYTHING politic... or these days non-political entertainment.
Change in direction? Everything else seems the same. The war, the guns, the killing other humans for joy. War games haven't been truly historically accurate for ages now. I'm not a battlefield aficionado but it looks like the same crap. In fact the cover is just a trick to make you think it's a different experience. It's not even worth getting upset over. BF1 wasn't even close to how slow and boring war was in the first world war.
@kali-b1rd: As soon as you brought up the false concept of reverse racism I read you like a book. You triggered right wing snowflake incel backwoods hick.
Turn off the Fox News, realize your sense of entitlement is false and the world doesn’t revolve around your narrow minded ego. Pathetic
You are no different from any sjw. Just ranting and raving about a different type of identity politics. You are just too much of a bumbling naive child to notice.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
Why do I need to do this, when BF5 has changed from its standard pattern? with a Lead Game Designer that was clearly a SJW and thought he was being "progressive and clever" then got triggered and REEEEEEEEE'd on twitter?
Given this is an outlier for the franchise, I have no reason to take your question seriously... as if they release "Political design agendas" as part of thier reveals... cmon man, talk about a godamn strawman.
So the dev never claimed to be 100% historically accurate.
And you're upset that it's not 100% historically accurate.
So pretend it's like resistance or wolfenstein and move on with your life. Want to fight a real war? Join the army.
Cool, now we will have no historical based games, because we shouldn't complain about any change in direction, should always accept whatever is thrown out, if notyour a racist/sexist.
Sounds about right?
Only one side threw mud in all this to begin with, the side that assumes everything is about hating non-white males, sound familiar?
Would it shock you to learn that 9/10 games where I can choose, I play female?
GTA SA was my favourite in the series.
The only reason these arguements continue is because I can't stand the self-righteous virtue signalling sheep that can't look at the base-debate without shouting RACIST/SEXIST and this kinda crap is happening with EVERYTHING politic... or these days non-political entertainment.
Change in direction? Everything else seems the same. The war, the guns, the killing other humans for joy. War games haven't been truly historically accurate for ages now. I'm not a battlefield aficionado but it looks like the same crap. In fact the cover is just a trick to make you think it's a different experience. It's not even worth getting upset over. BF1 wasn't even close to how slow and boring war was in the first world war.
Gameplay is an entirely different beast to themes, themes are much easier to get right, and in the past it has been, for both franchises, there is enough of a fair size backlash to clearly see that this was not the best idea.
I'm not upset, But I will happily argue with any arse-hole that virtue signals and makes out other peoples interests are nothing.
I'l still buy the game probably, I'l play as any gender/race that does what I need it to do.
But yea, storming D-Day with Disney level forced-inclusion is jarring, and mis-represents the groups that actual participated. You know.. mis-representation... cultural appropriation? all these far-left buzz-words that somehow ONLY apply to white males.... same old shit... double standards everywhere.
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
Why do I need to do this, when BF5 has changed from its standard pattern? with a Lead Game Designer that was clearly a SJW and thought he was being "progressive and clever" then got triggered and REEEEEEEEE'd on twitter?
Given this is an outlier for the franchise, I have no reason to take your question seriously... as if they release "Political design agendas" as part of thier reveals... cmon man, talk about a godamn strawman.
So the dev never claimed to be 100% historically accurate.
And you're upset that it's not 100% historically accurate.
So pretend it's like resistance or wolfenstein and move on with your life. Want to fight a real war? Join the army.
Cool, now we will have no historical based games, because we shouldn't complain about any change in direction, should always accept whatever is thrown out, if notyour a racist/sexist.
Sounds about right?
Only one side threw mud in all this to begin with, the side that assumes everything is about hating non-white males, sound familiar?
Would it shock you to learn that 9/10 games where I can choose, I play female?
GTA SA was my favourite in the series.
The only reason these arguements continue is because I can't stand the self-righteous virtue signalling sheep that can't look at the base-debate without shouting RACIST/SEXIST and this kinda crap is happening with EVERYTHING politic... or these days non-political entertainment.
Change in direction? Everything else seems the same. The war, the guns, the killing other humans for joy. War games haven't been truly historically accurate for ages now. I'm not a battlefield aficionado but it looks like the same crap. In fact the cover is just a trick to make you think it's a different experience. It's not even worth getting upset over. BF1 wasn't even close to how slow and boring war was in the first world war.
Gameplay is an entirely different beast to themes, themes are much easier to get right, and in the past it has been, for both franchises, there is enough of a fair size backlash to clearly see that this was not the best idea.
I'm not upset, But I will happily argue with any arse-hole that virtue signals and makes out other peoples interests are nothing.
I'l still buy the game probably, I'l play as any gender/race that does what I need it to do.
But yea, storming D-Day with Disney level forced-inclusion is jarring, and mis-represents the groups that actual participated. You know.. mis-representation... cultural appropriation? all these far-left buzz-words that somehow ONLY apply to white males.... same old shit... double standards everywhere.
All that footage with the girl and the hook hand looked like multiplayer to me, with the option to customize your own character. The overly bombastic michael bay levels of action are also not historically accurate. I have seen some complaints about that as well. Fans of the series can complain, but truth be told gamers complain about everything so its hard to gauge a serious complaint from a stupid one.
I guarantee BFV launches and it won't be as SJW-ish as people have been so worried about.
Especially since all they play is multiplayer and in there's nothing historically accurate about that mode.
@Mercenary848 said:
@kali-b1rd: As soon as you brought up the false concept of reverse racism I read you like a book. You triggered right wing snowflake incel backwoods hick.
Turn off the Fox News, realize your sense of entitlement is false and the world doesn’t revolve around your narrow minded ego. Pathetic
You are no different from any sjw. Just ranting and raving about a different type of identity politics. You are just too much of a bumbling naive child to notice.
You are just incapable of reading a situation, keep tugging yourself off though, maybe you will reach that 10 points you need.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
So the dev never claimed to be 100% historically accurate.
And you're upset that it's not 100% historically accurate.
So pretend it's like resistance or wolfenstein and move on with your life. Want to fight a real war? Join the army.
Cool, now we will have no historical based games, because we shouldn't complain about any change in direction, should always accept whatever is thrown out, if notyour a racist/sexist.
Sounds about right?
Only one side threw mud in all this to begin with, the side that assumes everything is about hating non-white males, sound familiar?
Would it shock you to learn that 9/10 games where I can choose, I play female?
GTA SA was my favourite in the series.
The only reason these arguements continue is because I can't stand the self-righteous virtue signalling sheep that can't look at the base-debate without shouting RACIST/SEXIST and this kinda crap is happening with EVERYTHING politic... or these days non-political entertainment.
Change in direction? Everything else seems the same. The war, the guns, the killing other humans for joy. War games haven't been truly historically accurate for ages now. I'm not a battlefield aficionado but it looks like the same crap. In fact the cover is just a trick to make you think it's a different experience. It's not even worth getting upset over. BF1 wasn't even close to how slow and boring war was in the first world war.
Gameplay is an entirely different beast to themes, themes are much easier to get right, and in the past it has been, for both franchises, there is enough of a fair size backlash to clearly see that this was not the best idea.
I'm not upset, But I will happily argue with any arse-hole that virtue signals and makes out other peoples interests are nothing.
I'l still buy the game probably, I'l play as any gender/race that does what I need it to do.
But yea, storming D-Day with Disney level forced-inclusion is jarring, and mis-represents the groups that actual participated. You know.. mis-representation... cultural appropriation? all these far-left buzz-words that somehow ONLY apply to white males.... same old shit... double standards everywhere.
All that footage with the girl and the hook hand looked like multiplayer to me, with the option to customize your own character. The overly bombastic michael bay levels of action are also not historically accurate. I have seen some complaints about that as well. Fans of the series can complain, but truth be told gamers complain about everything so its hard to gauge a serious complaint from a stupid one.
I guarantee BFV launches and it won't be as SJW-ish as people have been so worried about.
Especially since all they play is multiplayer and in there's nothing historically accurate about that mode.
Maybe you are right, but all of this stuff becomes political, the fact that far-left ideals get a lot of auto-protection just leads to heavier influence and cencorship of things that just shouldn't be... we shouldn't be afraid of including Nazi Flags in WW2 media even if its entertainment. We shouldn't feel the need to change history just to fill in a Race/Gender inclusion tick list... they should be used when appropriate.
Again though, what you mention is down to gameplay, there is no way around balancing that.
But yea, I think we have come to a more neutral conclusion with eachother.
Just remember, there is such a thing as too Far-Left where reason flies out the window.... just because people disagree with copious ammounts of forced inclusion, doesn't mean they are racist/sexist or "white male superiorist" that is my bottom line.
@kali-b1rd said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@kali-b1rd: As soon as you brought up the false concept of reverse racism I read you like a book. You triggered right wing snowflake incel backwoods hick.
Turn off the Fox News, realize your sense of entitlement is false and the world doesn’t revolve around your narrow minded ego. Pathetic
You are no different from any sjw. Just ranting and raving about a different type of identity politics. You are just too much of a bumbling naive child to notice.
You are just incapable of reading a situation, keep tugging yourself off though, maybe you will reach that 10 points you need.
And you are drowning in false narratives and rhetoric. You only negatively effect your own life.
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
Cool, now we will have no historical based games, because we shouldn't complain about any change in direction, should always accept whatever is thrown out, if notyour a racist/sexist.
Sounds about right?
Only one side threw mud in all this to begin with, the side that assumes everything is about hating non-white males, sound familiar?
Would it shock you to learn that 9/10 games where I can choose, I play female?
GTA SA was my favourite in the series.
The only reason these arguements continue is because I can't stand the self-righteous virtue signalling sheep that can't look at the base-debate without shouting RACIST/SEXIST and this kinda crap is happening with EVERYTHING politic... or these days non-political entertainment.
Change in direction? Everything else seems the same. The war, the guns, the killing other humans for joy. War games haven't been truly historically accurate for ages now. I'm not a battlefield aficionado but it looks like the same crap. In fact the cover is just a trick to make you think it's a different experience. It's not even worth getting upset over. BF1 wasn't even close to how slow and boring war was in the first world war.
Gameplay is an entirely different beast to themes, themes are much easier to get right, and in the past it has been, for both franchises, there is enough of a fair size backlash to clearly see that this was not the best idea.
I'm not upset, But I will happily argue with any arse-hole that virtue signals and makes out other peoples interests are nothing.
I'l still buy the game probably, I'l play as any gender/race that does what I need it to do.
But yea, storming D-Day with Disney level forced-inclusion is jarring, and mis-represents the groups that actual participated. You know.. mis-representation... cultural appropriation? all these far-left buzz-words that somehow ONLY apply to white males.... same old shit... double standards everywhere.
All that footage with the girl and the hook hand looked like multiplayer to me, with the option to customize your own character. The overly bombastic michael bay levels of action are also not historically accurate. I have seen some complaints about that as well. Fans of the series can complain, but truth be told gamers complain about everything so its hard to gauge a serious complaint from a stupid one.
I guarantee BFV launches and it won't be as SJW-ish as people have been so worried about.
Especially since all they play is multiplayer and in there's nothing historically accurate about that mode.
Maybe you are right, but all of this stuff becomes political, the fact that far-left ideals get a lot of auto-protection just leads to heavier influence and cencorship of things that just shouldn't be... we shouldn't be afraid of including Nazi Flags in WW2 media even if its entertainment. We shouldn't feel the need to change history just to fill in a Race/Gender inclusion tick list... they should be used when appropriate.
Again though, what you mention is down to gameplay, there is no way around balancing that.
But yea, I think we have come to a more neutral conclusion with eachother.
Just remember, there is such a thing as too Far-Left where reason flies out the window.... just because people disagree with copious ammounts of forced inclusion, doesn't mean they are racist/sexist or "white male superiorist" that is my bottom line.
I'm more in the middle then I seem. The people who rush to those conclusions are just as wrong as the ones who rush to conclusions in the opposite direction.
I don't know what was so hard about Dice just saying that's this is not a WWII authentic game and that it takes liberties for the sake of fun. (Publically not just via tweet)That would have ended most of the argument. I think once someone knows what they're getting they can expect that it will be different then what they imagined it to be.
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
Change in direction? Everything else seems the same. The war, the guns, the killing other humans for joy. War games haven't been truly historically accurate for ages now. I'm not a battlefield aficionado but it looks like the same crap. In fact the cover is just a trick to make you think it's a different experience. It's not even worth getting upset over. BF1 wasn't even close to how slow and boring war was in the first world war.
Gameplay is an entirely different beast to themes, themes are much easier to get right, and in the past it has been, for both franchises, there is enough of a fair size backlash to clearly see that this was not the best idea.
I'm not upset, But I will happily argue with any arse-hole that virtue signals and makes out other peoples interests are nothing.
I'l still buy the game probably, I'l play as any gender/race that does what I need it to do.
But yea, storming D-Day with Disney level forced-inclusion is jarring, and mis-represents the groups that actual participated. You know.. mis-representation... cultural appropriation? all these far-left buzz-words that somehow ONLY apply to white males.... same old shit... double standards everywhere.
All that footage with the girl and the hook hand looked like multiplayer to me, with the option to customize your own character. The overly bombastic michael bay levels of action are also not historically accurate. I have seen some complaints about that as well. Fans of the series can complain, but truth be told gamers complain about everything so its hard to gauge a serious complaint from a stupid one.
I guarantee BFV launches and it won't be as SJW-ish as people have been so worried about.
Especially since all they play is multiplayer and in there's nothing historically accurate about that mode.
Maybe you are right, but all of this stuff becomes political, the fact that far-left ideals get a lot of auto-protection just leads to heavier influence and cencorship of things that just shouldn't be... we shouldn't be afraid of including Nazi Flags in WW2 media even if its entertainment. We shouldn't feel the need to change history just to fill in a Race/Gender inclusion tick list... they should be used when appropriate.
Again though, what you mention is down to gameplay, there is no way around balancing that.
But yea, I think we have come to a more neutral conclusion with eachother.
Just remember, there is such a thing as too Far-Left where reason flies out the window.... just because people disagree with copious ammounts of forced inclusion, doesn't mean they are racist/sexist or "white male superiorist" that is my bottom line.
I'm more in the middle then I seem. The people who rush to those conclusions are just as wrong as the ones who rush to conclusions in the opposite direction.
I don't know what was so hard about Dice just saying that's this is not a WWII authentic game and that it takes liberties for the sake of fun. (Publically not just via tweet)That would have ended most of the argument. I think once someone knows what they're getting they can expect that it will be different then what they imagined it to be.
anyone who claims they play COD because of its historical accuracy I call bullshit. lying fuckers
@tryit said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Bread_or_Decide said:
@kali-b1rd said:
Gameplay is an entirely different beast to themes, themes are much easier to get right, and in the past it has been, for both franchises, there is enough of a fair size backlash to clearly see that this was not the best idea.
I'm not upset, But I will happily argue with any arse-hole that virtue signals and makes out other peoples interests are nothing.
I'l still buy the game probably, I'l play as any gender/race that does what I need it to do.
But yea, storming D-Day with Disney level forced-inclusion is jarring, and mis-represents the groups that actual participated. You know.. mis-representation... cultural appropriation? all these far-left buzz-words that somehow ONLY apply to white males.... same old shit... double standards everywhere.
All that footage with the girl and the hook hand looked like multiplayer to me, with the option to customize your own character. The overly bombastic michael bay levels of action are also not historically accurate. I have seen some complaints about that as well. Fans of the series can complain, but truth be told gamers complain about everything so its hard to gauge a serious complaint from a stupid one.
I guarantee BFV launches and it won't be as SJW-ish as people have been so worried about.
Especially since all they play is multiplayer and in there's nothing historically accurate about that mode.
Maybe you are right, but all of this stuff becomes political, the fact that far-left ideals get a lot of auto-protection just leads to heavier influence and cencorship of things that just shouldn't be... we shouldn't be afraid of including Nazi Flags in WW2 media even if its entertainment. We shouldn't feel the need to change history just to fill in a Race/Gender inclusion tick list... they should be used when appropriate.
Again though, what you mention is down to gameplay, there is no way around balancing that.
But yea, I think we have come to a more neutral conclusion with eachother.
Just remember, there is such a thing as too Far-Left where reason flies out the window.... just because people disagree with copious ammounts of forced inclusion, doesn't mean they are racist/sexist or "white male superiorist" that is my bottom line.
I'm more in the middle then I seem. The people who rush to those conclusions are just as wrong as the ones who rush to conclusions in the opposite direction.
I don't know what was so hard about Dice just saying that's this is not a WWII authentic game and that it takes liberties for the sake of fun. (Publically not just via tweet)That would have ended most of the argument. I think once someone knows what they're getting they can expect that it will be different then what they imagined it to be.
anyone who claims they play COD because of its historical accuracy I call bullshit. lying fuckers
I play Fortnite for historical accuracy.
But then again I'm from the future.
Enjoy the next ten years ;)
This thread has me at a loss for words... There is a poster in this thread fighting against the oppression of white males. Made up oppression based on make believe expectations that the Battlefield series centers around being historically accurate....You can’t make this stuff up
@goldenelementxl said:
This thread has me at a loss for words... There is a poster in this thread fighting against the oppression of white males. Made up oppression based on make believe expectations that the Battlefield series centers around being historically accurate....You can’t make this stuff up
100% historical accuracy would require that once you die you can't get health or come back to life. Slower bullets. Worse aiming. Slow long drawn out battles. Needing your limbs chopped off.
Returning home to a country that doesn't appreciate you
Then killing yourself in the final level.
@goldenelementxl said:
This thread has me at a loss for words... There is a poster in this thread fighting against the oppression of white males. Made up oppression based on make believe expectations that the Battlefield series centers around being historically accurate....You can’t make this stuff up
More made up bullshit from someone who needs to justify his agenda.
Crack on.
I give bread respect for at least approaching it rationally in the end. I'm not continueing this fight with you people who STILL try to say the above crap after reading our discussion... you are lost.
@Mercenary848 said:
@kali-b1rd said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@kali-b1rd: As soon as you brought up the false concept of reverse racism I read you like a book. You triggered right wing snowflake incel backwoods hick.
Turn off the Fox News, realize your sense of entitlement is false and the world doesn’t revolve around your narrow minded ego. Pathetic
You are no different from any sjw. Just ranting and raving about a different type of identity politics. You are just too much of a bumbling naive child to notice.
You are just incapable of reading a situation, keep tugging yourself off though, maybe you will reach that 10 points you need.
And you are drowning in false narratives and rhetoric. You only negatively effect your own life.
Again, you can't read the situation, making up narratives does you no favours.
@SecretPolice said:
@phbz:
All SJW are Pansies. :D
Also, just remember... if I don't get mah rent money today, somebody's gonna get their salad tossed tonight. lol :P
a little something for you to think about.
Do you seriously think actual SJW are concerned about making a social justice statement in a video game that is 100% about killing?
I mean come on people what the actual **** are you guys thinking?
@tryit: When did SW become Ot/political gamers lol......I cant get a break from it man.
Just when I try to get out THEY PULL ME BACK IN
@Mercenary848 said:
@creepywelps said:
@Mercenary848: You got me. I'm so right wing that I voted for Hillary, that showed those dumb libs. Before that Obama twice, really stuck it to the the sjw's those days let me tell ya. Believe it or not I even voted for this guy named John Kerry, Reeeeeee's were heard around the world.
You're a pussy.
Lol you think your political leanings are based on who you vote for, that's rich. Also you are lying, you arent old enough to vote.
Son pussy is just an image on your moms computer to you, you aren't fooling anyone.
Wait... what? Someone's choice of political representative isn't reflective of their political leaning? Nothing like being contradictory for the hell of it.
@GarGx1 said:
@Mercenary848 said:
@creepywelps said:
@Mercenary848: You got me. I'm so right wing that I voted for Hillary, that showed those dumb libs. Before that Obama twice, really stuck it to the the sjw's those days let me tell ya. Believe it or not I even voted for this guy named John Kerry, Reeeeeee's were heard around the world.
You're a pussy.
Lol you think your political leanings are based on who you vote for, that's rich. Also you are lying, you arent old enough to vote.
Son pussy is just an image on your moms computer to you, you aren't fooling anyone.
Wait... what? Someone's choice of political representative isn't reflective of their political leaning? Nothing like being contradictory for the hell of it.
Conservatives of today love Reagan, but his actual presidency stood in contrary to their views.
Progressives dont identify with Hillary but they voted for her.
You guys really don't know how elections work.
@Mercenary848: LMAO!!! Have fun with that thought process.
@creepywelps said:
@Mercenary848: Never voted right wing in my life. If you think that who I vote for doesn't show my political leanings you're even dumber than I ever imagined. I'm 32 btw.
You're a pussy.
Lol sure. And im 45 if we are giving ourselves 20 years. Your childish chides say more about your character then they do my argument.
@Mercenary848: LMAO!!! When you went after my character in your posts you tried to get the moral high ground... There is no other reason to do so.
Now you're just panicked, strawmanning nonsense. Do you fancy yourself as some sort of profiler? Hilarious.
@creepywelps said:
@Mercenary848: LMAO!!! When you went after my character in your posts, you tried to get the moral high ground... There is no other reason to do so.
Now you're just panicked, strawmanning nonsense. Do you fancy yourself as some sort of profiler? Hilarious.
I never went after your character(you dont have any). You just keep filling the air with words, your pretty irrelevant. You have just been quoting people for attention. You should think me for humoring you young man.
@Mercenary848: Whats wrong, kid? You running out of ad hominem bs and hyperbole?
Yea, I really do "think" you for the attention. Lol
PS: it's, you're*
@creepywelps said:
@Mercenary848: Whats wrong, kid? You running out of ad hominem bs and hyperbole?
Yea, I really do "think" you for the attention. Lol
PS: it's, you're*
You are a sad man and a broken record, and the reason your parents marriage failed.
Happy now?
@Mercenary848: Lol, thats better.
@Mercenary848 said:
@creepywelps said:
@Mercenary848: LMAO!!! When you went after my character in your posts, you tried to get the moral high ground... There is no other reason to do so.
Now you're just panicked, strawmanning nonsense. Do you fancy yourself as some sort of profiler? Hilarious.
I never went after your character(you dont have any). You just keep filling the air with words, your pretty irrelevant. You have just been quoting people for attention. You should think me for humoring you young man.
I would say to quit while you're ahead, but it's too late for that.
First rule of insulting/trolling on the internet... Make damn sure your grammar and punctuation is on point.
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