PS4 surpassed x360 lifetime sales

You owned yourself proving the PS4 has outsold the 360 and PS3. You shitty link doesn't provide any data proving the 360 outsold the PS3.

It's common knowledge the 360 came in last and you're in denial lol.

Is not the first time he try to jump into a sales thread and try to act like the xbox 360 still is selling because the xbox one play some xbox 360 games.

He so invested in defending the xbox brand that he will try the most stupid and out of this world arguments just to defend MS and the xbox.

He can't really take the fact that MS lose vs sony,soon he will bring PC as well as he does another time as if MS owned the PC market. lol

The xbox is not a PC,is a closed environment. And the xbox one is not the 360.

As of March 2016, 85 million PS3 units were sold. The PS3 underwent several design changes over its lifetime, including the introduction of the PlayStation 3 Slim and PlayStation 3 Super Slim models.

https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/playstation-3-production-halted-sony-japan-1202012032/

Nice try the PS3 as March 2016 had 85 million sold,and it went on sale for another full year,so yeah it did outsold the xbox 360 which was discontinued in 2016.

Now you can keep crying about not ending 3rd..Hahahaa

@tgob89 said:

@MonsieurX said:

TIL estimates = official numbers

Quoting VGChartz

lol congrats

No that is a fact for your sorry biased ass.

The xbox one is not a 360 and can't even play most 360 games.

No the xbox one runs 360 games by emulation,it doesn't have the xbox 360 runtime environment i have an xbox one and when i turn it on it doesn't turn on like the 360,or boot the 360 environment.

That like claiming that every PC sold on the planet is a PS1,PS2,PS3,xbox360,gamecube,wii,wiiu,ds,3ds,snes,nes,genesis and all the other consoles and arcade hardware because it can emulate those system.

So a PC sold = a Snes sold because PC can emulate Snes.

A PC sold = a PS2 sold because PC can emulate PS2 games.

This ^^ is a bullshit argument from some one who can't handle the fact that a company like sony with less money than MS kick its ass.

For someone who doesn't own an xbox you surely pull some shitty arguments to defend the shitty platform.

You just can't take it that sony is beating MS..lol

Ron, I can't take you seriously these days can I?

NO is not.

The xbox one wasn't even compatible with the xbox 360 on launch,it was added by emulation,which is why not all games work,you can't take any 360 game and insert it on the xbox one and expect it to work so not is not the same argument,windows always have compatibility moving forward,the xbox one didn't.

I don't care if you want to pretend that windows and the xbox are the same shit,when clearly they are not.

The xbox 360 stopped been manufacture and sold period.

The rest is always damage control on your part because you can't handle to see sony beating MS as your endless defences of the xbox one shitty graphics for 4 years proved.

Facts!

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/original-360-defect-rate-was-68-per-cent

After you sent in your first inevitable RROD to M$ they only gave you a 3 mo warranty with your soon to be RROD replacement system.

Also 3/4 of 360 sales are manufactured through rebuys from the same customers.

My Xbox argument is consistent with multiple Windows generation which broke 32bit DRM drivers on 64bit Windows.

Windows update improves backward compatibility overtime e.g. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/980846/description-of-an-update-to-the-backward-compatibility-feature-in-wind PC's Windows OS BC improves over time. Backward compatibility with SafeDisc DRM still not fixed.

Xbox 360 emulation without hardware OS dump requirement shows the close relationship between Xbox 360's OS and PC's Windows OS. Major issue with XEX executable format is decoding Xbox 360's DRM.

PC's DirectX 12 makes API bridge with Xbox 360's DirectX 9.X API easier i.e. removes PC's requirement to bundle draw calls and Vulkan API path being neglected.

You can't face the fact MS generating fat $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from their tactics.

@kenshiro3948 said:

I am used to this king of crap on his part,he really can't take that sony is beating MS in something..Hahahaa

Who really can?

There is no one on this place that actually doesn't own an xbox that defend the brand with so much passion and with such stupid arguments.

You haven't seen it all until you see Rondementia trying to argue that the xbox 360 user base keep growing because the xbox one play some xbox 360 games.lol

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/xbox-one-worldwide-sales-at-26-million-33377317/?page=11

Is not the first time he use that crap to defend the xbox 360 sales.

Nothing of what you say there has anything to do with the argument at hand NOTHING,you really need to learn English and learn to follow an argument.

The xbox one is not an xbox 360,the xbox one just emulate some 360 games,that doesn't mean in any way that.

1-That every xbox one sold account also as a 360 sold.

2-That the xbox one has the xbox 360 runtime environment.

It simple doesn't i own an xbox one it doesn't boot like a 360 or into the 360 OS,it emulate the 360 for some games which are not even the majority.

You are sad.

@kenshiro3948 said:

@ronvalencia said:

I'm Xbox argument is consistent with multiple Windows generation which has broken 32bit DRM drivers on 64bit Windows. You're the stupid cow..

LMFAO..

The majority of defective Xbox 360 are replaced by MS's warranty, hence MS taking HW profit lost during initial Xbox 360 initial sales period. They are not "sales".

After you sent in your first inevitable RROD to M$ they only gave you a 3 mo warranty with your soon to be RROD replacement system.

Again 3/4 of 360 sales are manufactured through rebuys from the same customers.

Your xbox argument is only consistent with the level of bullshit and bias that you have for MS and the xbox,that would prompt you to say such bullshit things.

Windows has a level of compatibility from the get go,the xbox one has NON in fact the compatibility level between windows is fairly high,the xbox one was non,and what MS does is make newer drivers and support older ones not just emulate them.

The 360 version of windows is completely different to the one run on xbox one,hell even from PC were the xbox one is say to have a windows 10 OS like still is very different from PC,and require extra work and certification period,you can't run PC games on xbox one or xbox one games on PC regardless of how close they are supposedly.

Dude let it go the xbox 360 is dead it sold 86+ millions units,the xbox one doesn't have a 3 core CPU with a 2005 GPU,so hardware wise the xbox one is not an xbox 360,or could be considered as one.

Which is why you don't see MS claiming the xbox 360 runtime keep growing or accounting xbox one as xbox 360 sold.

Give it a rest it didn't work the first time you use this argument it will not work now.

The PS4 surpassed the 360 11 years of sales in just 5 years the end.

Guys, haven't you noticed? PSX is over 250 million sales because the ps2 played PSX games, ps3 plays psone games also, so the PSX is over 300 million sales, christ, PSX is the best selling console of all time.

See how it goes?

@tormentos:

Lol nice try:

https://www.destructoid.com/the-ps4-has-finally-overtaken-the-ps3-in-sony-s-latest-financial-report-515027.phtml

This morning, Sony announced its first quarterly financial results, revealing that their current high-end console, PlayStation 4 has shipped 82.2 million units since launch, putting it ahead of its predecessor, PlayStation 3.

While the most recent sales period saw a decline in console sales on last year, the black box still managed to shift 3.2 million units to retailers, overtaking the PS3, of which numbered records stopped, around the 80 million mark, in 2013. The PS3 launched in 2006, so the PS4's figures have surpassed the predecessor in a shorter timeframe, a couple of years in fact.

@xhedon: PS4 wins either way, I couldn't care less for the others.

That is what i told him the first time he use that shitty argument.

The PS1 is the best selling console of all time,it sold more than 340 million units.

104 million PS1.

156 million PS2

and 87 million PS3 since all 3 play PS1 games.

He is that invested in defending the xbox brand..Hahahahaaa

I have seen some lunatic arguments here from some fans on all sides,but run valencia 360 - xbox one run-time environment one top them almost all of them.

And he is not stupid he knows,he simple want to spin things his way on this topic.

@mariah_eater: yup same. As long as I get to play great games it’s a win for me.

It will overtake Wii, but not by Spring. Maybe by Fall. From the looks of things it's having a mediocre holiday in the US (will likely come in third for November + December combined), so unless it's doing ridiculously well in Europe it's not even a sure thing that it'll be over 90 million this holiday, and selling 10 million in the first half of next year is extremely unlikely (and impossible for the first 3-4 months).

@tgob89: false, they gave another year extended. Stop lying.

Oh and 3 years specifically for RROD.

RROD warranty wasn't eternal all units bought on launch by late 2008 were out of warranty,RROD extended your warranty to 3 years,it didn't give you 3 years on top of the time you have with the unit.

So by the time the slim 360 hit in 2010,basically all units buy in mid 2007 and before were out of warranty,which prompted many to jump into a shiny new slim model.

WHEN...did they do that?

Oh and produce a link for that, I owned an xbox360 nimrod so I'm speaking from experience. When did they implement that policy, if it's true at all.

Link???

No.

The warranty was extended from 3 months to 1 year on 2006,an extension means that if you bought your unit on Launch november 2005,instead of ending in February 2006 it would expire on November 2006,when the 2007 3 year extension kicked in it didn't mean that if you bought your unit on launch 2005 you would have warranty until 2010.

No no no no that is not how extensions work.

What the extension did was cover all those who Bought the machine from launch and after and which many already had their 1 year expire and bump them to 3 year from their original manufacturing date.

In other words if you were a launch 2005 owner when the 3 year warranty kicked in your warranty was extended to November 2008 in other words your xbox 360 officially had 1 year and 5 more months of warranty,since the warranty extension didn't kick exactly 3 years into the generation,what it did was take all the units from launch which were mostly the ones without warranty and many from 2006 as well and bump them to 3 year,and any newer model from july 2007 and on would come standard with 3 years,so if you bought your unit on August 2007 yeah you got 3 full years,if you bought before the 3 year warranty kicked you had the remaining time only.

2005 had until 2008

2006 had until 2009

2007 had until 2010.

All units bought in summer 2007 and before were out of warranty by summer 2010 which is when the slim model hit by the way who spiked 360 sales greatly.

Thanks for that information

To follow up, if you know...can you tell us what happens AFTER you got your first replacement unit?

What was the warranty timeline given for those replacement units after repair? Because that is what that fool is challenging in my original post.

They bumped the warranty from 3 months to 1 year,but that is an extension and some lemmings here pretend it was an extra year.

In a move to benefit customers, Microsoft Corp. announced today that it will change the Xbox 360™ warranty from 90 days to one year from the date of purchase in the United States and Canada.

https://news.microsoft.com/2006/12/22/microsoft-extends-xbox-360-warranty-to-one-year/

The year extension happen on late 2006.

Lemmings actually think that the 3 year extension was on top of the 1 year extension,when in fact the 3 year extension over took the 1 year extension,MS extended the warranty to 1 year on december 2006 conveniently after all those who bought the unit on launch november 2005 would not be cover.

So November 2005 units weren't even cover,it wasn't until 7 months latter that MS replaced the 1 year with 3 that launch november 2005 units were cover again,and they only had 1 year and 5 months left,the warranty extension wasn't one on top of the other,and was totally based on the month that you bought your machine.

@tormentos:

See here..

In a move to benefit customers, Microsoft Corp. announced today that it will change the Xbox 360™ warranty from 90 days to one year from the date of purchase in the United States and Canada.

^ the underlined part

That's what I thought!

This is referring to "the purchase" of the system. It doesn't address warranty after an initial repair.

My replacement units only had a 3mo warranty, I specifically remember that fact.

Nothing your warranty keep going as normal,if you bought a launch unit in 2005 and on August 2007 it RROD,it would get service and returned,and you still have 1 year 3 month of warranty so if it RROD you could send it again.

After you service your unit it would not get another 3 years as some lemmings here use to think,you only got the remaining time since you bought it.

Maybe I only had 3 months left after I sent mine in. Ok well thanks for the info.

@tormentos: thank you for confirming what I said. Thank god for the warranty so people didn’t have to buy a replacement Xbox.

I got the replacement and still had to rebuy...most of the people I know who owned one did.

@tgob89: nope not a single person I know had to buy one. They chose free thanks to the 3 year RROD warranty.

April 2007, MS revised Xbox 360 with improved heat sink.

September 2007, MS revised Xbox 360 with 80 nm GPU and 65 nm CPU. Lower power consumption.

Each revision reduces failure rates.

https://support.xbox.com/en-BZ/xbox-360/repair/warranty-faq

The warranties are:

• Xbox 360 console: One year
• Xbox 360 console with three flashing red lights or error E74: Three years from the console purchase date (not applicable to the Xbox 360 E console)

Taken right from Xbox's own support page with link bold and underlined.

Error E74 = red ring of death (RROD).

That's bullshit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_specifications#List_of_revisions

Each revision reduces RROD incidents.

FY2008, the bleed was stopped.

The bleed didn't stop in 2008 you freaking MORON,you see that HUGE write off in 2007? yeah that is the 1.1 billion they set ASIDE + losses of the hardware itself,the writes off was just 1 year,they separated the 1+ billion for repair in 2007 on 2008 there wasn't another write off because the money they set aside in 2007 should cover the whole RROD for years yo come ass.

You simply don't know shit about what you are arguing,MS didn't set aside 1 billion each year for RROD they set 1+ billion on 2007 and that was suppose to cover all RROD and future ones.

RROD failure didn't stop in 2008 ass,in fact my last 360 was one of the very last batch done in 2010 before the Slime model and RROD years ago.

RROD was a problem of the fat 360 model,by the way RROD until 2008 didn't cover E74 error which mean that if your console had an E74 error it wasn't cover by the 3 year extended warranty only 3 red rings were cover.

Microsoft has extended the three year "Red Ring of Death" warranty cover it offered to Xbox 360 owners to cover a new fault - the E74 fault.

Here's Microsoft knowledge base entry on the change to the warranty:

While the majority of Xbox 360 owners continue to have a great experience with their console, we are aware that a very small percentage of our customers have reported receiving an error that displays “E74” on their screen. After investigating the issue, we have determined that the E74 error message can indicate the general hardware failure that is associated with three flashing red lights error on the console. As a result, we have decided to cover repairs related to the E74 error message under our three-year warranty program for certain general hardware failures that was announced in July 2007. We have already made improvements to the console that will reduce the likelihood of an occurrence of this issue. Detailed information related to the Xbox 360 warranty and resources for those who require repair can be found at www.xbox.com/support

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-extends-xbox-360-red-ring-of-death-warranty-to-cover-e74-error/

BUt but but the bleed stopped in 2008..Hahahahaaa

The bleed never stopped until the slim model arrived.

MS included E74 on april 2009 that was one of the failure the machine also had but that MS didn't start covering until 2009.

So yeah stop the bullshit and your damage control,this is a topic i have argue allot so yeah i know a thing or 2 about it,you apparently don't.

Basically you assume that because MS didn't report a loss in 2008 that somehow means the problem stopped,when in reality what happen is that MS already separated the money in 2007 for all RROD repairs,so going forward no money would show up as loss,because all was taken care off,MS didn't take money for RROD year by year.

What you see there is the normal time frame it took the 360 to turn a profit it self,which was normal for those platforms which were sold at a loss back then.

In fact if MS would have not write off that billion+ on 2007 the graph would show the 360 much closer to turning a profit than in 2006.

Hahhaahaaa NO it doesn't E74 was another error of the 360 which wasn't 3 red lights of death,MS saw it as a normal failure rather than part of the 3 rings of dead and E74 wasn't cover until April 2009 almost 2 years after the 3 year warranty took place.

You simply don't know what you are arguing.

You got your but kicked the PS3 was at 85 million in 2016,so it was impossible to be at 82 millions.

And you were wrong about RROD as well lemm.

Do you want a call when Sony announces 90+ million sold? Because it's gonna happen.

@MonsieurX: DVD players have been cheap for years. Horrible way to downplay PS2 success.

Exactly.

Funny how DVD was the reason the PS2 sold,Blu-ray was the reason the PS3 pick up its sales,yet 4k bluray can't sell xbox ones in masses.lol

@tormentos: Because streaming is now a thing

@tormentos: because of digital ROFL

Which the xbox one also can do.

If you buy a PS4 you only get streaming if you buy an xbox one you get 4k blu-ray and streaming for $199.

There is no excuse.

Read up please.