PS3 + Wii = 360 + 7 years XBL gold

[QUOTE="clone01"] Its free at my workplace. But I pay for Starbucks. Why is that, eltormo? And what the f*ck is your fascination with MS? You're seriously obsessed with that company. Almost as bad as Kuraimen.tormentos

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Again. What facts? That Live costs money? We've acknowledged that. That the 360 plus Live is more expensive over time than a PS3 and Wii? We've acknowledged that too. Are you trying to argue that one is factually better than the other? I'll warn you to be careful with your answer once more. :wink:

And hey, just because you don't want to acknowledge the fact that value is relative doesn't make it any less true.

The_Game21x

Unless you're the spokesperson for the lemmings, I'm just seeing a lot of deflections.

I'm not acknowledging that the value you feel you get from live doesn't count, but this is SW- your opinions don't matter. If it did then everyone would have a failsafe argument...

I'm not deflecting anything. I'm asking what (if anything) these facts have to do with the argument made (if there is one to begin with) and so far, all you've done is say "well your opinion doesn't matter anyway", which isn't answering my question.

Why should I answer a question that's irrelevant to my point? And I've already addressed that your opinions matter for something- outside SW.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="clone01"] Its free at my workplace. But I pay for Starbucks. Why is that, eltormo? And what the f*ck is your fascination with MS? You're seriously obsessed with that company. Almost as bad as Kuraimen.kingtito

Why should I answer a question that's irrelevant to my point? And I've already addressed that your opinions matter for something- outside SW.

Gxgear

*sigh*

This is what you said...

"You question is irrelevant, because it's fact over (your) opinion."

Now...explain to me how my asking you to clarify what you meant by that is irrelevant to your point (if you ever had one to begin with)? What do the facts have to do with me stating my opinion?

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Why should I answer a question that's irrelevant to my point? And I've already addressed that your opinions matter for something- outside SW.

The_Game21x

*sigh*

This is what you said...

"You question is irrelevant, because it's fact over (your) opinion."

Now...explain to me how my asking you to clarify what you meant by that is irrelevant to your point (if you ever had one to begin with)? What do the facts have to do with me stating my opinion?

Could you state your opinions without quoting me stating facts, thus inviting me to reply? I didn't quote you when I posted:?

You're the one who chose to engage, maybe you should explain why your opinion takes precedent over fact in the SW (it does not).

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Why should I answer a question that's irrelevant to my point? And I've already addressed that your opinions matter for something- outside SW.

Gxgear

*sigh*

This is what you said...

"You question is irrelevant, because it's fact over (your) opinion."

Now...explain to me how my asking you to clarify what you meant by that is irrelevant to your point (if you ever had one to begin with)? What do the facts have to do with me stating my opinion?

Could you state your opinions without quoting me stating facts, thus inviting me to reply? I didn't quote you when I posted:?

You're the one who chose to engage, maybe you should explain why your opinion takes precedent over fact in the SW (it does not).

So you can't explain what you said when you voluntarily replied to me when I quoted you.

Whatever. I never said my opinion takes precedent over facts. Unless someone is trying to argue that the PS3+Wii combo is factually better than the 360 and Live (which would be impossible since it's based on a subjective premise), the facts themselves don't mean much. It's not like I or anyone else in this thread (well, to my knowledge) has tried to deny that this is true, after all.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

*sigh*

This is what you said...

"You question is irrelevant, because it's fact over (your) opinion."

Now...explain to me how my asking you to clarify what you meant by that is irrelevant to your point (if you ever had one to begin with)? What do the facts have to do with me stating my opinion?

The_Game21x

Could you state your opinions without quoting me stating facts, thus inviting me to reply? I didn't quote you when I posted:?

You're the one who chose to engage, maybe you should explain why your opinion takes precedent over fact in the SW (it does not).

So you can't explain what you said when you voluntarily replied to me when I quoted you.

Whatever. I never said my opinion takes precedent over facts. Unless someone is trying to argue that the PS3+Wii combo is factually better than the 360 and Live (which would be impossible since it's based on a subjective premise), the facts themselves don't mean much. It's not like I or anyone else in this thread (well, to my knowledge) has tried to deny that this is true, after all.

I didn't reply first, so feel free to explain yourself (which you still haven't, by the way). I've explained it already, whether or not you take it as an answer is your problem.

As for your second blurb, it's sort of obvious why 2 consoles with double the gaming selection would be better than one, but that's irrelevant as well.

You must be tired. Fortunately, your friend (amazing you have them) lives close. Congratulations, again, idiot. Someone made you post pictures on the internet to prove you're not a fanboy. Does that fill you with self-satisfaction?clone01

:lol:

So you're saying PSN is free for Sony to keep running? kingtito

If that is the case every one get online free play because all platform holders cover the online charge,while MS one of the rishest company on the world doesn't.

There is no spinning it..

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

So you can't explain what you said when you voluntarily replied to me when I quoted you.

Whatever. I never said my opinion takes precedent over facts. Unless someone is trying to argue that the PS3+Wii combo is factually better than the 360 and Live (which would be impossible since it's based on a subjective premise), the facts themselves don't mean much. It's not like I or anyone else in this thread (well, to my knowledge) has tried to deny that this is true, after all.

Gxgear

I didn't reply first, so feel free to explain yourself (which you still haven't, by the way). I've explained it already, whether or not you take it as an answer is your problem.

As for your second blurb, it's sort of obvious why 2 consoles with double the gaming selection would be better than one, but that's irrelevant as well.

This is what I replied to.

"4 pages in and not one legitimate counter-argument, impressive."

That would imply that an argument was made in the first place. There wasn't one. All the TC did was throw out some numbers and seeing as that doesn't qualify as an argument, there wasn't a need for a "legitimate counter-argument".

As for the second part of your post, well, that would be your opinion. :wink:

So when does PS3 get part chat again, eltormo? BTW, your friend's xbox 360 sucks.clone01

Never but the Vita already got it free...Ouch..

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

So you can't explain what you said when you voluntarily replied to me when I quoted you.

Whatever. I never said my opinion takes precedent over facts. Unless someone is trying to argue that the PS3+Wii combo is factually better than the 360 and Live (which would be impossible since it's based on a subjective premise), the facts themselves don't mean much. It's not like I or anyone else in this thread (well, to my knowledge) has tried to deny that this is true, after all.

The_Game21x

I didn't reply first, so feel free to explain yourself (which you still haven't, by the way). I've explained it already, whether or not you take it as an answer is your problem.

As for your second blurb, it's sort of obvious why 2 consoles with double the gaming selection would be better than one, but that's irrelevant as well.

This is what I replied to.

"4 pages in and not one legitimate counter-argument, impressive."

That would imply that an argument was made in the first place. There wasn't one. All the TC did was throw out some numbers and seeing as that doesn't qualify as an argument, there wasn't a need for a "legitimate counter-argument".

As for the second part of your post, well, that would be your opinion. :wink:

So you're in argreement with me then- that there wasn't one. Not sure why you'd even bothered to reply in the first place.

I've aleady said PS3+Wii > 360 is irrelevant...Sherlock.

So you're in argreement with me then- that there wasn't one. Not sure why you'd even bothered to reply in the first place.

I've aleady said PS3+Wii > 360 is irrelevant...Sherlock.

Gxgear

No, this was just a very roundabout way of showing you how wrong your initial statement was. To expect a counter argument to be made for an argument that doesn't exist is laughable, especially given the obvious implication.

And hey, I thought we were only concerning ourselves with facts? Why even bother replying in the first place if it's irrelevant? :wink:

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

So you're in argreement with me then- that there wasn't one. Not sure why you'd even bothered to reply in the first place.

I've aleady said PS3+Wii > 360 is irrelevant...Sherlock.

The_Game21x

No, this was just a very roundabout way of showing you how wrong your initial statement was. To expect a counter argument to be made for an argument that doesn't exist is laughable, especially given the obvious implication.

And hey, I thought we were only concerning ourselves with facts? Why even bother replying in the first place if it's irrelevant? :wink:

What's roudabout is you conveniently ignoring that the thread was an obvious challenge, and in a sense, yeah, it is an argument.

Not sure, why'd you bring up something as irrelevant? Stop asking me questions that you should be asking yourself.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

You must be tired. Fortunately, your friend (amazing you have them) lives close. Congratulations, again, idiot. Someone made you post pictures on the internet to prove you're not a fanboy. Does that fill you with self-satisfaction?tormentos

:lol:

[QUOTE="clone01"]So when does PS3 get part chat again, eltormo? BTW, your friend's xbox 360 sucks.tormentos

Never but the Vita already got it free...Ouch..

[QUOTE="kingtito"] So you're saying PSN is free for Sony to keep running? tormentos

If that is the case every one get online free play because all platform holders cover the online charge,while MS one of the rishest company on the world doesn't.

There is no spinning it..

[QUOTE="clone01"]So when does PS3 get part chat again, eltormo? BTW, your friend's xbox 360 sucks.tormentos

Never but the Vita already got it free...Ouch..

It really is quite pathetic that Microsoft still charge for xbox live.

I could understand last gen because it was the best online for consoles, so you got what you paid for essentially.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="clone01"]So when does PS3 get part chat again, eltormo? BTW, your friend's xbox 360 sucks.kingtito

Never but the Vita already got it free...Ouch..

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

So you're in argreement with me then- that there wasn't one. Not sure why you'd even bothered to reply in the first place.

I've aleady said PS3+Wii > 360 is irrelevant...Sherlock.

Gxgear

No, this was just a very roundabout way of showing you how wrong your initial statement was. To expect a counter argument to be made for an argument that doesn't exist is laughable, especially given the obvious implication.

And hey, I thought we were only concerning ourselves with facts? Why even bother replying in the first place if it's irrelevant? :wink:

What's roudabout is you conveniently ignoring that the thread was an obvious challenge, and in a sense, yeah, it is an argument.

Not sure, why'd you bring up something as irrelevant? Stop asking me questions that you should be asking yourself.

I'm not ignoring anything. There was no challenge because there was no argument. If anything, what this thread did was pose a question. A question of preference. AKA opinions. It all boils down to opinions. Are two gaming platforms inherently better than one? No. At least not by any objective measure. So, yeah, it would appear opinions, at least as far as this thread is concerned, are worth far more than you give them credit for.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

No, this was just a very roundabout way of showing you how wrong your initial statement was. To expect a counter argument to be made for an argument that doesn't exist is laughable, especially given the obvious implication.

And hey, I thought we were only concerning ourselves with facts? Why even bother replying in the first place if it's irrelevant? :wink:

The_Game21x

What's roudabout is you conveniently ignoring that the thread was an obvious challenge, and in a sense, yeah, it is an argument.

Not sure, why'd you bring up something as irrelevant? Stop asking me questions that you should be asking yourself.

I'm not ignoring anything. There was no challenge because there was no argument. If anything, what this thread did was pose a question. A question of preference. AKA opinions. It all boils down to opinions. Are two gaming platforms inherently better than one? No. At least not by any objective measure. So, yeah, it would appear opinions, at least as far as this thread is concerned, are worth far more than you give them credit for.

Judging by the number of reponses, it deserves all the credit I've given it. And judging by your responses to me, you don't even believe what you're saying. Keeping repeating that it's your opnion and it matters doesn't account for anything. It's a non-argumentative thread right? Why so defensive then?

The Vita ISN'T the PS3 now is it? Seeing as how pathetic it's selling not many people will even be using the Vita. Funny how cows have to hide behind PC and now Vita just to match what the 360 already offers. Sad reallykingtito

No it is not but has party chat never the less and is from sony,which show how sony mentality works and is a glimps into what we will get on PS4,the PS3 did not got party chat because of the ram limitation not because sony did no wanted to as the Vita proved.

How is a handheld a console, eltormo?clone01

Oh that is not the point the point is that live feature are already been use on other platform and freeee,the PS3 did not had it because of its ram limitation,but it has home which live has nothing even close to..

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

What's roudabout is you conveniently ignoring that the thread was an obvious challenge, and in a sense, yeah, it is an argument.

Not sure, why'd you bring up something as irrelevant? Stop asking me questions that you should be asking yourself.

Gxgear

I'm not ignoring anything. There was no challenge because there was no argument. If anything, what this thread did was pose a question. A question of preference. AKA opinions. It all boils down to opinions. Are two gaming platforms inherently better than one? No. At least not by any objective measure. So, yeah, it would appear opinions, at least as far as this thread is concerned, are worth far more than you give them credit for.

Judging by the number of reponses, it deserves all the credit I've given it. And judging by your responses to me, you don't even believe what you're saying. Keeping repeating that it's your opnion and it matters doesn't account for anything. It's a non-argumentative thread right? Why so defensive then?

I've always maintained that opinions matter. You were the one who was discounting the merit of opinions, or have you already forgotten what you've said in this thread?

"You can save your relative value speech for someone else, I'm dealing with facts here."

and

"this is SW- your opinions don't matter. If it did then everyone would have a failsafe argument..."

And this is System Wars, kid. I'm here to argue and debate. This thread didn't have an argument and you implied it did and I corrected your false assumption through argumentation. I'm not on defense, I'm on offense. It's you who's tried to defend his shoddy argument this whole time. :)

You said no coffee is free when it was specifically stated he got free coffee at work. You said someone pays for it. Doesn't the same apply to PSN? So when someone choosed starbucks over free coffee from work it's the same as someone choosing to pay for Live. You moronic cows are always trying to pass off YOUR opinion as fact. Trying to convince others that your way of thinking is better. This is why you're considered the dumbest most obnoxious posters on SWs.kingtito

Yes because is not so hiding on the coffee he got on his work is a joke and a spin on his part,much like what you are trying to do.

Online play has always been free every were and still is but on 360,the fact that you can get a free cup of coffee doesn't mean every one can,which is the whole point,PSN is free to every single PS3 user,not just people on my working place,that is like saying live is free my boss pay my account..

:lol:

Actually i did not insult you and if you consider my opinion moronic,your is 10 times worst,just because you damn boss pay your xbox live account doesn't mean is free you blind biased troll,it was free to you yeah when your boss pays for it..lol

Now go try that kids spin else were.

No matter how you spin it i don't pay for online xbox fans do period..

360 plus the Gold is a better deal.

Tormentos/Eltormo is sad. Easily one of the biggest idiots on this board.clone01

You are the idiot and a bad losser to,you are so mad with me because i make you look like an ass,i prove you wrong and all you could do was claim my 360 was from a friend..:lol:

At this point in the lifecycle of both consoles, why are people still trying convince others that one system is better than the others. Absolute waste of time.

you blind biased trolltormentos

lolStevo_the_gamer

Well if your definition of troll is posting facts and making people like you look bad yes i am..

You don't see me make stupid PS3 is king threads dude,i am not loosinend or any of those trolls,and i don't post in all threads either.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I'm not ignoring anything. There was no challenge because there was no argument. If anything, what this thread did was pose a question. A question of preference. AKA opinions. It all boils down to opinions. Are two gaming platforms inherently better than one? No. At least not by any objective measure. So, yeah, it would appear opinions, at least as far as this thread is concerned, are worth far more than you give them credit for.

The_Game21x

Judging by the number of reponses, it deserves all the credit I've given it. And judging by your responses to me, you don't even believe what you're saying. Keeping repeating that it's your opnion and it matters doesn't account for anything. It's a non-argumentative thread right? Why so defensive then?

I've always maintained that opinions matter. You were the one who was discounting the merit of opinions, or have you already forgotten what you've said in this thread?

"You can save your relative value speech for someone else, I'm dealing with facts here."

and

"this is SW- your opinions don't matter. If it did then everyone would have a failsafe argument..."

And this is System Wars, kid. I'm here to argue and debate. This thread didn't have an argument and you implied it did and I corrected your false assumption through argumentation. I'm not on defense, I'm on offense. It's you who's tried to defend his shoddy argument this whole time. :)

I'm not sure why you're quoting me like there's a point to be made here.You win at arguing semantics? Just because you decide it's not an argument doesn't make you right. If there's not an argument to be made, this thread wouldn't go for pages and counting.

There's no argument, according to you, right? So why are you being defensive? Action speaks louder than words, and your numerious posts here screams loud and clear.

All this act right now, is just you murddlinging up the argument to sidetrack from the issue at hand. If you can't stay relevant to the topic or to the point of my original comment, then you've got nothing.

[QUOTE="clone01"] How is a handheld a console, eltormo?tormentos

Oh that is not the point the point is that live feature are already been use on other platform and freeee,the PS3 did not had it because of its ram limitation,but it has home which live has nothing even close to..

[QUOTE="clone01"]Tormentos/Eltormo is sad. Easily one of the biggest idiots on this board.tormentos

You are the idiot and a bad losser to,you are so mad with me because i make you look like an ass,i prove you wrong and all you could do was claim my 360 was from a friend..:lol:

No, the point is that I can't get party chat on my ps3, eltormo. Considering the amount of titles I enjoy that are shared between the two, that makes a pretty big difference for me. clone01

But you can on PC and PS Vita your argument is null...

What's a losser, Eltormo?clone01

Looser...

Oh you can make fun of my gramatical errors,but the fact stand you are a sad lemming on denial,who can't admit when some one beat him,hell most other lemming have say fair enough when i should them my 360,but you just go on denial like a small child.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

What's a losser, Eltormo?tormentos

Looser...

Oh you can make fun of my gramatical errors,but the fact stand you are a sad lemming on denial,who can't admit when some one beat him,hell most other lemming have say fair enough when i should them my 360,but you just go on denial like a small child.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

What's a losser, Eltormo?tormentos

Looser...

Oh you can make fun of my gramatical errors,but the fact stand you are a sad lemming on denial,who can't admit when some one beat him,hell most other lemming have say fair enough when i should them my 360,but you just go on denial like a small child.

[QUOTE="clone01"]No, the point is that I can't get party chat on my ps3, eltormo. Considering the amount of titles I enjoy that are shared between the two, that makes a pretty big difference for me. tormentos

But you can on PC and PS Vita your argument is null...

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="clone01"]

What's a losser, Eltormo?clone01

Looser...

Oh you can make fun of my gramatical errors,but the fact stand you are a sad lemming on denial,who can't admit when some one beat him,hell most other lemming have say fair enough when i should them my 360,but you just go on denial like a small child.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Judging by the number of reponses, it deserves all the credit I've given it. And judging by your responses to me, you don't even believe what you're saying. Keeping repeating that it's your opnion and it matters doesn't account for anything. It's a non-argumentative thread right? Why so defensive then?

Gxgear

I've always maintained that opinions matter. You were the one who was discounting the merit of opinions, or have you already forgotten what you've said in this thread?

"You can save your relative value speech for someone else, I'm dealing with facts here."

and

"this is SW- your opinions don't matter. If it did then everyone would have a failsafe argument..."

And this is System Wars, kid. I'm here to argue and debate. This thread didn't have an argument and you implied it did and I corrected your false assumption through argumentation. I'm not on defense, I'm on offense. It's you who's tried to defend his shoddy argument this whole time. :)

I'm not sure why you're quoting me like there's a point to be made here.You win at arguing semantics? Just because you decide it's not an argument doesn't make you right. If there's not an argument to be made, this thread wouldn't go for pages and counting.

There's no argument, according to you, right? So why are you being defensive? Action speaks louder than words, and your numerious posts here screams loud and clear.

All this act right now, is just you murddlinging up the argument to sidetrack from the issue at hand. If you can't stay relevant to the topic or to the point of my original comment, then you've got nothing.

Assume what you want about my actions. They're not defensive but feel free to think they are if that makes you feel better.

As long as you've been here, you should know by now that a thread doesn't need to make an argument to last for pages. The reason this thread is still going is because people are arguing amongst themselves about the facts presented by this thread. Does that mean an argument was made by the TC? Nope.

The fact that you keep replying to me shows you're just as invested in this as I am. Spin it how you want, doesn't change anything. :)

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I've always maintained that opinions matter. You were the one who was discounting the merit of opinions, or have you already forgotten what you've said in this thread?

"You can save your relative value speech for someone else, I'm dealing with facts here."

and

"this is SW- your opinions don't matter. If it did then everyone would have a failsafe argument..."

And this is System Wars, kid. I'm here to argue and debate. This thread didn't have an argument and you implied it did and I corrected your false assumption through argumentation. I'm not on defense, I'm on offense. It's you who's tried to defend his shoddy argument this whole time. :)

The_Game21x

I'm not sure why you're quoting me like there's a point to be made here.You win at arguing semantics? Just because you decide it's not an argument doesn't make you right. If there's not an argument to be made, this thread wouldn't go for pages and counting.

There's no argument, according to you, right? So why are you being defensive? Action speaks louder than words, and your numerious posts here screams loud and clear.

All this act right now, is just you murddlinging up the argument to sidetrack from the issue at hand. If you can't stay relevant to the topic or to the point of my original comment, then you've got nothing.

Assume what you want about my actions. They're not defensive but feel free to think they are if that makes you feel better.

As long as you've been here, you should know by now that a thread doesn't need to make an argument to last for pages. The reason this thread is still going is because people are arguing amongst themselves about the facts presented by this thread. Does that mean an argument was made by the TC? Nope.

The fact that you keep replying to me shows you're just as invested in this as I am. Spin it how you want, doesn't change anything. :)

That's a lot of words to say something so little; I'm only invested because you replied to my comment with nothing to contribute. Despite conceding the fact of what I said was right, now you're just dragging this on over semantics.

You were never on point to begin with.

I wish more people understood the definition of value.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]Anecdotal evidence. Gears' netcode was bad. That's not a fault of the service, it's a fault of the developers. Shame it took them three games to finally get it right but meh, I had fun with Gears 1 and 2 and I'm sure those two games are more active than Resistance 1 and 2 are.

I stand by my statement. Xbox Live is better than the PSN, value is relative and Live being a rip off is just an opinion. Personally, I find Xbox Live's ease of use, party chat system, the ease of inviting people to games, the more unified experience and so on to be worth something and while I won't be paying $60 for it (with all the discount Live sales that pop up every few weeks, you'd have to be a sucker to do that), it's something that I'll probably end up paying for again once my subscription lapses.

The_Game21x

Okay...I have to single out this point in particular.

Umm...are you stupid?

Value is inherently and always relative! There's no such thing as an objectively good value because the concept of value differs from person to person. This is why I and millions of others can find value in Live while people like you do not. That is a fact. Value has no basis in fact, it's an opinion, inherently subjective and relative to the person evaluating it.

Not at all. PC gaming and Vita hold no interest for me, eltormo.clone01

I don't care what you want if that is your excuse,every one would win by saying those lines.

I don't care for party chat the xbox 360 hold no interest for me..:D