Playstation 5/Xbox 4: do we already have a PC as powerful?

Judging by the current Nintendo virus that has infected both Sony and MS with their weak ass boxes is t safe to say that we already have PC parts that will be in PS5/Xb4?

Like if their GPU is 5-6 times more powerful it will be like a R9 295x2?

Or you doubt that it will be so weak and crappy?

"Nintendo virus" what virus would that be? The virus of spectacular first party support?

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And to respond to your other part, it is impossible to say where GPU power will be in however many years. Especially with Nvidia introducing their 20nm cards Pascal cards in 2016.

2014 PC is still more powerful than next gen Playstation 5 and Xbox 4(about 2020?)

PC gaming already has 8k gaming, meanwhile PS5 and Xbox 4 won´t even have 4K gaming 2020.

So yeah. 2014 PC gaming >>> 2020 console gaming.

It better be because it's the only support they're getting.

@True_Gamer_:

What did you expect from a $399.99 console a Titan level gpu? Be happy that the PS4 came with 8GB's of GDDR5. That stuff is expensive.

The PS4 is as powerful a console could be at $399.99 in 2013 without Sony losing money on each console. I feel the PS4 offers a lot of value at $399.99, and judging by the 9 million PS4's sold worldwide it looks like a lot of people agree with me.

I mean you still can't build a $399.99 gaming rig that blows away the PS4 in terms of raw power.

The PS5 will be around 9-10x more powerful than the PS4. So, expect an 16-18 teraflop GPU.

In regards to Xbox 4, I actually don't think there will be an Xbox 4 if the XB1 ends up third this generation.

Do you really think a company today would seek to sell a console at a loss? I can't see Sony or Microsoft selling a $600 console or building a $600 console -- especially with how well the $400 PS4 is being received.

Even a GPU that costs $50 more would change the entire price point of the console.

i think consoles learned their lesson last gen with high price points. the focus for a console is not to have the best hardware.... they know as long as it's better than before people won't care, especially if it's actually affordable. the majority of console gamers don't even know what they are missing anyway and the ones who do don't care or can't afford to care.

Xbox 360 didn't cost $700 to make. It was about $500 for the 20GB model.

@FreedomFreeLife:

Yeah, because the average PC gaming rig is loaded with dual GTX 780's. A very small minority of PC gamers are playing games in 4K. It isn't the standard. I highly doubt a $399.99 PC can play games at 4K with acceptable framerates.

Indeed - $470 from the number I saw. And that was for a console that marketed at $400.

I don't think he's talking about the "average" PC.

dumb even by herm standards

Can't say anything about the next-generation of console hardware. I mean, people were expecting this gen to arrive in late 2012 and PC gamers were betting that the console games will look worse than the likes of BF3 or Crysis. Look where we are now.

Take a gander at this: http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453264

avarage PC gamer for 400 dollars for PC? PC gamer uses usually at least 1000 dollar PC. For example. Go to Neogaf and 95% PC gamers PC costs over 1000 dollars.

This is standard. People are already playing 8K.

Most gaming rigs are not $1000+ dollars. The average is probably around $500-600 range. A minority of gamers don't make standards, the majority do and the majority of PC gamers aren't even maxing out games in 1080p and getting 60fps.

BTW, I'm not talking about people who only play candy crush. I mean people who buy gaming rigs to play core games.

Reality check:

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/12/28/xbox-360-costs-715-to-make/

Seriously do a test:

Compare a $500 PC of 2001 to the first Xbox

Now compare a $500 PC of 2005 to the 360

Then compare a $500 PC of 2013 to the Xbone

Something changed this gen?

Reality check:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20051123214405.html


A PC in 2001 and 2005 drew a lot less wattage than a PC in 2013.

Even if Sony could afford a Titan level GPU the box would have to be about twice the size for adequate air-flow and ventilation. The reliability factor would also drop since more heat causes more issues. Designing a console is a balancing act on many levels. The PS4 is as good as it could be for the price.

Where'd who go?

Around 97% of pc's on the market are macs.

My friend, this is the last generation of consoles, it will simply become a steam like service.

And total lack of 3rd party and weak console.

It'll probably be more like a GTX 780, which will be pretty midrange in 3-4 generations from now. If they really want next gen to feel next gen, they're going to have to go with current high end hardware like they did in the 7th generation.

GTX 480 performs better than a PS4, but the main problem might be the PS4's CPU bottlenecking a midrange GPU.

it will be one of the entry level next-gen graphics guards

Consoles cannot compete with PC's as they have to be gimped down for the common peasant.

Days of the powerful expensive consoles are gone because the peasants cant afford them.

Lucky the xbox atleast has some great exclusives to make up its short comings. As far as the delaystation goes.....2016 might be a good year?

How do you know that the PS5 won't just be a incremental update to whats in the PS4?

I doubt it, not this early into the gen, although i had a pc stronger than current consoles 2-3 years ago.

Probably especially now with the 800 series coming.

By the time the next gen consoles come out there will be new or much better architectures. New manufacturing process that allows the creation of more powerful chips while cheaper. The Cloud Computing might become something useful for games. Better Game Engines. etc.

You find me out, yes I am bored and I'm putting off tidying my room. My assumption is that now that consoles are using PC hardware I see no incentive to cram the latest tech in there. All I forsee at the current moment in time is a better CPU/GPU and more RAM. Given that most people at the start of this gen are eating up these "HD remakes", we've seen less new games. I'm hoping that as this gen kicks off we will start to see these HD remakes die off.

Wouldn't they call the next Xbox, Xbox Two?

yeah that makes sense. And then the fact that Triple A budgets are getting higher and higher and there are things like "artists" costs that never go down, so budgets will only keep going higher and higher the farther that graphics are pushed. More detail needs more people/time no matter the technology that is used.

have fun with your football manager, nude mods and crappy f2p scams though.

Which means either game prices go up or we get more content cut to sell back as DLC.

Who is "we"? the 90-95% on steam with crappy PC or the rest few % with latest hardware?

Well, I guess we can put a bunch of stuff on those consoles and sell them for $600 then have people not buy the consoles like what happened to the PS3 and blu-ray.

@scottpsfan14: please stop making up stuff that would be on the "PS5" if that even came out. What do you know about console making that makes you so sure it would even have that stuff to begin with?

A decade ago, the ceiling of consumer computing power was very limited. It was possible to build something exceptionally powerful back then, but you'd usually have to start digging into server-grade hardware.

Nowadays? You can build something very powerful from consumer components. Further, as long as you are willing to spend, you can create an absolute monster from simply acquiring more of those same consumer components in greater than sane quantities.

why do people always say you cant match a ps4 price on pc why would somebody want to if you want a cheap gaming pc get a ps4/xbone..

While I pretty much agree with your post, I'm not sure that 8800gtx in quad sli has more raw power than the ps4 gpu.

The never ending trend of ever increasing wattage must soon come to a halt. All that heat has to be lead away and regardless of method it ends up in the surrounding air and can easily warm up a smaller room. The next gen consoles (if there will be another gen that is) will probably stay under 200 watts like most consoles do and it is the game consoles biggest limiting factor compared to pcs.

They don't really represent the actual average gamer.

Nope.

I buy consoles for exclusives, so I dont care what they have in hardware. Consoles will continue to have better graphics than the gen before and by golly that's ok with me.