PlayStation 4 gives up to 5.5GB of RAM to game developers

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

Been saying from 2005/2006 till now; Verne Verne cow just won't learn. :P

SecretPolice

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Not really 4.5 it looks like oh yeahhhhhhhh0

clyde46

Yep :lol: and we know how good Sony is with reducing o/s footprints lol

at least I can understand why the Xbox os would need 3 gbs for all the extra stuff it does but I didnt see a reason that would make the playstaion os to use 2.5 to 3.5

TheRealBigRich

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]

Lol. I was thinking the same.

ShadowriverUB

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I knew that 1GB that tormento kept throwing around was complete bullshit.

So the OS does a lot less than the XOne OS, yet potentially has a bigger footprint LMAO

Shouldn't be surprised though considering the barebones PS3 OS had a substantially bigger footprint than the 360s

However, sources close to Sony suggest that the PS4 approach is perhaps more flexible - the current allocation in terms of both CPU cores and memory could be reduced once the operating system is complete and then streamlined. In short, while there is no guarantee of change in the future, Sony is at least leaving the door open to the opportunity and the R&D team has experience in reducing the OS footprint - just as it did on PlayStation 3.

 

Poor Xbone

Douevenlift_bro

What a waste. 1-2 gigs I can see, but not 3+ gigs. 

Both Sony and Microsoft are wasting their precious system resources on massive OSs.

Even Windows doesn't take more than 1.5 gigs in the worst case senario. It's usually lower than that.

Wasdie

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I knew that 1GB that tormento kept throwing around was complete bullshit.

So the OS does a lot less than the XOne OS, yet potentially has a bigger footprint LMAO

Shouldn't be surprised though considering the barebones PS3 OS had a substantially bigger footprint than the 360s

RR360DD

Actually the OS does roughly the same when it comes to multitasking, app support, streaming, recording, and all of the social features. It just lacks the voice recognition and the HDMI throughput streaming. 

[QUOTE="ramonnl"]

Still more than the xbox-one!

LordOfPoms

You got other services running besides the streaming services e.g. media center, store, Skype clone and social network.

Hmm. Well before Feb it was thought 4 gigs of GDDR5 would be it so I'm not complaining. Both companies should be able to reduce OS footprints.Floppy_Jim

So barely any more than Xbox One? That's dissapointing.

Starting to think both the PS3 and XBONE are gonna look slightly different inside the box when they launch. There are way to many upgrade and downgrade rumors going on. Microsoft asking Devs if 4 more gigs would help? Microsoft tweeking the GPU. Sony downgrading. I don't know what to believe anymore. I really don't care. 4 gigs for games from either system is enough.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

What a waste. 1-2 gigs I can see, but not 3+ gigs. 

Both Sony and Microsoft are wasting their precious system resources on massive OSs.

Even Windows doesn't take more than 1.5 gigs in the worst case senario. It's usually lower than that.

LordOfPoms

I'm sure through updates they could their OS footprint to give a bit more to future games, but it's still not a good position to start off in. 

Dang, you beat me to it. Interesting tech article.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

However, sources close to Sony suggest that the PS4 approach is perhaps more flexible - the current allocation in terms of both CPU cores and memory could be reduced once the operating system is complete and then streamlined. In short, while there is no guarantee of change in the future, Sony is at least leaving the door open to the opportunity and the R&D team has experience in reducing the OS footprint - just as it did on PlayStation 3.

 

Poor Xbone

XBOunity

Poor DC and poor you

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]5.5GB right there in the thread title.

XBOunity

Yep :lol: and we know how good Sony is with reducing o/s footprints lol

What a waste. 1-2 gigs I can see, but not 3+ gigs. 

Both Sony and Microsoft are wasting their precious system resources on massive OSs.

Even Windows doesn't take more than 1.5 gigs in the worst case senario. It's usually lower than that.

Wasdie

The memory consumption depends also on progaramming language they used, and desing patterns. All modern desing patterns offer better scalabilty and maintenance for software, but also consumes shit load of memory as a trade-off. But this is OK nowadays. The memory is cheap now, and it´s about time we move from C++ and asambler programming styles.  

you would have to be a special kind of idiot to think Sony or MS would use all of the 8gig for gaming...

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

What a waste. 1-2 gigs I can see, but not 3+ gigs. 

Both Sony and Microsoft are wasting their precious system resources on massive OSs.

Even Windows doesn't take more than 1.5 gigs in the worst case senario. It's usually lower than that.

Wasdie

I'm sure through updates they could their OS footprint to give a bit more to future games, but it's still not a good position to start off in. 

Yeah, they'll be able to whittle it down a little, but they aren't going to want to remove features that people already got used to (and will probably even want to add new features) so there is only so much that can be done to lower that footprint.

What a waste. 1-2 gigs I can see, but not 3+ gigs. 

Both Sony and Microsoft are wasting their precious system resources on massive OSs.

Even Windows doesn't take more than 1.5 gigs in the worst case senario. It's usually lower than that.

Wasdie

With all the features their craming into these consoles along with needing a snappy UI I figured 2-3gb for usage for OS and features

I bet the share feature is being included with this OS allocation. With all my background apps im sitting at 2.34 gb allocated.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Hmm. Well before Feb it was thought 4 gigs of GDDR5 would be it so I'm not complaining. Both companies should be able to reduce OS footprints.tagyhag

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

What a waste. 1-2 gigs I can see, but not 3+ gigs. 

Both Sony and Microsoft are wasting their precious system resources on massive OSs.

Even Windows doesn't take more than 1.5 gigs in the worst case senario. It's usually lower than that.

jhonMalcovich

The memory consumption depends also on progaramming language they used, and desing patterns. All modern desing patterns offer better scalabilty and maintenance for software, but also consumes shit load of memory as a trade-off. But this is OK nowadays. The memory is cheap now, and it´s about time we move from C++ and asambler programming styles.  

Why would you want to move away from C++ for these kind of low-level operations? Going to a higher level imperative and object oriented programming language would just introduce unnecessary overhead on a limited CPU. This isn't a PC, you cannot just increase your CPU power in a year or two.

I can't see operating systems moving away from C/C++ for decades. 

I'm sure the OS has a high level compiler for apps, but the OS itself will be running lower level code for efficiency. 

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Hmm. Well before Feb it was thought 4 gigs of GDDR5 would be it so I'm not complaining. Both companies should be able to reduce OS footprints.Floppy_Jim

[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Hmm. Well before Feb it was thought 4 gigs of GDDR5 would be it so I'm not complaining. Both companies should be able to reduce OS footprints.Floppy_Jim

So than killzone:sf used 512? because they were working on the 4 gb limit!

With all the features their craming into these consoles along with needing a snappy UI I figured 2-3gb for usage for OS and features

I bet the share feature is being included with this OS allocation. With all my background apps im sitting at 2.34 gb allocated.

04dcarraher

The sharing/streaming/recording functionality has to be where the majority of this RAM is being allocated. I got my windows 7 machine down to like 2 gigs of RAM (out of 16, windows automatically scales if you throw more ram at it and I turned off page file memory) while doing basic computing (IRC, skype, steam, web browser, various logitech software for gaming peripherals, nvidia drivers, etc.), and when I stream it adds another 1-2 gigs of memory required along side of the video game running.

[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

What a waste. 1-2 gigs I can see, but not 3+ gigs. 

Both Sony and Microsoft are wasting their precious system resources on massive OSs.

Even Windows doesn't take more than 1.5 gigs in the worst case senario. It's usually lower than that.

Wasdie

I'm sure through updates they could their OS footprint to give a bit more to future games, but it's still not a good position to start off in. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

With all the features their craming into these consoles along with needing a snappy UI I figured 2-3gb for usage for OS and features

I bet the share feature is being included with this OS allocation. With all my background apps im sitting at 2.34 gb allocated.

Wasdie

The sharing/streaming/recording functionality has to be where the majority of this RAM is being allocated. I got my windows 7 machine down to like 2 gigs of RAM (out of 16, windows automatically scales if you throw more ram at it and I turned off page file memory), and when I stream you can add another 1-2 gigs of memory required along side of the video game running.

Cows just got owned so hard.Miketheman83

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

With all the features their craming into these consoles along with needing a snappy UI I figured 2-3gb for usage for OS and features

I bet the share feature is being included with this OS allocation. With all my background apps im sitting at 2.34 gb allocated.

Wasdie

The sharing/streaming/recording functionality has to be where the majority of this RAM is being allocated. I got my windows 7 machine down to like 2 gigs of RAM (out of 16, windows automatically scales if you throw more ram at it and I turned off page file memory) while doing basic computing (IRC, skype, steam, web browser, various logitech software for gaming peripherals, nvidia drivers, etc.), and when I stream it adds another 1-2 gigs of memory required along side of the video game running.

The gameplay recording must be done directly to RAM then. Since they can reduce the OS footprint in the future, 4.5-5.5 is more than enough for the first 2 or 3 cycles of games.
But they better free more RAM later in the gen, or many people will be PISSED OFF with a 3.5gb OS reserve!

Didn't JBlow say the same thing a couple months ago?

Anyways cows...

U JELLY? :P

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Cows just got owned so hard.Shewgenja

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Cows just got owned so hard.Shewgenja

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

With all the features their craming into these consoles along with needing a snappy UI I figured 2-3gb for usage for OS and features

I bet the share feature is being included with this OS allocation. With all my background apps im sitting at 2.34 gb allocated.

04dcarraher

The sharing/streaming/recording functionality has to be where the majority of this RAM is being allocated. I got my windows 7 machine down to like 2 gigs of RAM (out of 16, windows automatically scales if you throw more ram at it and I turned off page file memory), and when I stream you can add another 1-2 gigs of memory required along side of the video game running.

Yeah you could get away with it. If you have over 8 you can usually get away with turning off your page file. 

I've run 2 games at once and all of my background apps without coming close to hitting my system memory. I'm actually bottlenecked with my 1.2 gigs of vRAM. Even when im doing video compression I can play games, run apps, and do some large multitasking without an issue. Having a lot of RAM is awesome.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"][QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Cows just got owned so hard.LordOfPoms

"ownage" is for people who actually believe this entire forum matters.

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

However, sources close to Sony suggest that the PS4 approach is perhaps more flexible - the current allocation in terms of both CPU cores and memory could be reduced once the operating system is complete and then streamlined. In short, while there is no guarantee of change in the future, Sony is at least leaving the door open to the opportunity and the R&D team has experience in reducing the OS footprint - just as it did on PlayStation 3.

 

Poor Xbone

Shewgenja

Poor DC and poor you

Ok quote 7 gigs for gaming again :lol:  I dont think this is ownage I think 5 gigs is good  enough, 4.5 :lol: too

The gameplay recording must be done directly to RAM then. Since they can reduce the OS footprint in the future, 4.5-5.5 is more than enough for the first 2 or 3 cycles of games.
But they better free more RAM later in the gen, or many people will be PISSED OFF with a 3.5gb OS reserve!

ManatuBeard

This is a win for Microsoft because they allocated 3GB for their OS but at least we know they are giving us kick ass features for those resources. Now I personally don't care and would prefer more RAM for games but we don't get the choice. 

With Sony, now we know they are using 3.5GB for an OS that will be vastly inferior to what MS offers. But they can in a few years copy all of MS's features and that's what the 3.5GB of RAM is for. It enables Sony to copy all of the brilliant stuff that MS introduces with the Xbox One. 

I wish Sony would've just ignored MS and just used 1GB for their OS which would be good enough. Then they would have a system better suited for games. 

Checkmark Microsoft.

I'm sitting at 3.05GB. clyde46

I once booted up Windows 7 with 1 gig of ram and the system only took like half of it. I think Windows scales depending on how much total system RAM you have. The more you have, the more it takes. I never see it take over 20%.

you would have to be a special kind of idiot to think Sony or MS would use all of the 8gig for gaming...

Zaibach

4.5gb's of ram really sucks, Xbones now actually has a bit more

We all know why Sony's OS has to be 3.5 gigs. So they can try and copy everything Microsoft and Nintendo does.