PC gaming is crushing consoles

Isn't thread worthy so I'll just post it here.

Forbes: "The Console War is Over, PC Already Won"

If you're using a controller on the PC, how can the "gameplay" experience be different than on consoles?

When did I say that exactly?

It's less complicated than the PC to me. The console online infrastructure is under way more supervision than that of the PC's infrastructure, so it's less likely that hackers will be able to run rampant on present or newer titles (not titles like CoD: BO, or CoD: WaW, or MW2, or BF: BC, or any old titles like that) on console versus their PC variants.

I was stating that the only way gameplay experiences can change between PC and console. I never stated that PC gamers was "forced" to use keyborad and mouse.

overall experience on pc is enhanced

I don't care about hardware sales or this and that . However , I DO care about games themselves and that's why I game on PC . Why .? Simple ... Because of different genres and variety in games .

We normally don't get Point and Click adventures , RTS , Survival Horror games , CRPGs , Old school shooters or Space Sims etc on consoles . Even if we do , then worse versions of them are ported from PC after several months . I play such games alot , so PC is the way to go .

Can't wait for Unreal Tournament , The Book of Unwritten Tales 2 and Serious Sam 4 .

New titles have all kinds of hacks as well.

It's a different type of supervision. PC requires per game cheat detection while on console MS and Sony checks to see if your console is hacked. A hacked console gets banned from online play. Just getting your console to the point of being able to use hacks takes a lot of work including taking apart the console and soldering new connections.

Getting cheats working on console is much much more difficult and even if you're successful the console could get banned at anytime.

Lol! Changing your story. So technically you never upgraded your gpu you just replaced a faulty or misused gpu. The cpu upgrade wasn't much of an upgrade either since we're talking about maybe a 30% performance improvement.

Are you even trying to be believable?

that was an interesting article.

The title makes no sense whatsoever. PC is not a console, so it cannot "win" the console war. The console war is between Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo, not the PC.

I guess the experience just feels a lot more fun on consoles, you look at a console and you think thats a game machine made specifically for games and it just makes you want to play. nostalgia plays a big part too, some say nostalgia isn't real but that feeling is still there, takes me back to when I was a kid and getting that sega genesis for christmas with nhl 94 and all those classic games, same with the PS1....getting FF7 and metal gear solid (console exclusives). PC somehow ruins the experience, not fully but I would say 33% is ruined just by playing it on PC, something I used to do my homework on which made me hate even turning the damn thing on when I was a kid. Then having to fiddle with the setting just to get Quake to work, it was a bitch.

When I look at my PC I think "that's a game machine made specifically for games" and it just makes me want to play.

Which is good too because there are sooooooo many games on PC. Ten games just released on Steam yesterday, and ten more the day before that. It's pretty awesome.

do me a favor, read my other posts before spewing your absalute s**te

If I recall correctly, Quake was one of the most rock-solid PC games around (as were all early id games). It worked great. The only problem was it being a hog which made PC CPUs hit an unbreakable wall. There was nothing anyone can do until 3D-acceleration came along. Until then, most gamers played it in ugly low-res mode.

This again? A $2000 PC can turn out to cost less than a Xbone or PS4 depending on how many games you buy; the most important part of the equation which you conveniently left out.
You can last a whole console generation with one PC, if you buy a mid-high end PC. Without upgrading anything. I know that, because that is what I do.

"when you were a kid" please... what like 2 years ago?

Basing your current life and image of technology around your thoughts on it as a child... yeesh.

Oh wait, its you... probably none of this is true.

Input and device should not be an issue, sad that you make it one.

How does any of this playing the exact same games on console differs from playing on PC?

you telling me a PC from 2006 can run Battlefield 4 at a reasonable framerate / visual fidelity? no.... sorry but it can't

Also if you buys 3 games a year (120 quid minimum) and i buy a PS4/you buy a £1200 PC ... the console will work out cheaper.. this is basic maths

you cannot argue that buying 50 indie games for the same price as 3 AAA games makes it more cost effective.... games don't come into this conversation.

Also whether i got the part names correct or no is mute... the maths still works and its still WAY more expensive to play on PC than PS4.... show me a breakdown to prove me wrong (including benchmarks to show BF4 running at at least 30fps 720)

What's the specs on that 7 year old build.

BF 4 isn't a good example since pc version is different from the gimped ps360 version. A 2006 pc is below min reqs on most multiplats over the last few years though.

PC gaming will most likely be a lot less expensive during this console gen than last due to the new consoles not being nearly as powerful for 2013 as ps360 were for their launch times. You needed a $2000 pc to match the 360 in 2005 and now you can match the ps4 with a $600 pc. Add in the $50 a year for console mp and console becomes more expensive. Only thing we can't be sure of is if min req on pc games will go beyond ps 4 specs during the gen.

Let's see if you buy 10 games per year,brand new games are 59.99$,most PC release are 49.99$ and you can often find them for less when you pre-order(thanks greenmangaming for 20% or even 25% off)

1200$ PC

10 games x 6 years x 50$

Total: 4200$

400$ PS4

10 games x 6 years x 60$ + 6 x 50$ for PSN+

Total: 4300$

Yeah but if you want to play mp hack free then console is the way to go.

consoles aren't hack free,so stop with that bullshit

It basically is when compared to pc. On pc you simply download and install hack, worst case scenario is you get banned from a specific server.

Hacking isn't so simple on console. You have to actually solder new connections on the consoles mb. The barrier to entry is MUCH higher on console. Plus your console could get banned from mp at any time. This GREATLY reduces the amount of cheating on console to the point where most console gamers will never run into aimbotters and wallhacks.

You're implying that every PC games that has MP is filled with hackers which is simply ridiculous.

I simply said pc isn't hack free like console.

Hack free = not a single hack

Which is not true

moving the goal posts all the time.....

It's relatively hack free. You could play CoD for 100's of hours on console and never encounter a hack while on pc you could run into a hacker every 30 mins.

It's a fair point. Most multiplat mp games on pc are riddled with hackers.

Nope on both cases.

It's not "relativety" hack free,it's not hack free,point.

Played a lot of BF3 and never encountered a single hacker.

Neither did I but CoD and any pretty much any other matchmaking style multiplat mp is a hack fest. Black Ops 2 would be an exception I rarely saw a cheater in that while Ghosts and MW3, MW 2 were a cheaters paradise. Some hackers learn how to hide their wallhacks and aimbots very well. When i used to play UT 2004 there was a player who got away with an aimbot for almost a year because he was so good at hiding it.

@Cranler Riddled suggests I go into 9 out of 10 games and find hackers....

And yet... I can't remember the last time I did, funny how that works Cranler?

A Cranler "fair point" is not relative to reality. I'm afraid.

Depends on what games you play.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/203160/discussions/0/846960628451649151/

http://steamcommunity.com/app/235600/discussions/0/846965882766091411/

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3022013

Hopefully Rockstar has some anticheat otherwise GTA V will be a hackers paradise just like GTA 4.

@Cranler

The OP was saying PC was crushing consoles in hardware and software sales, as well as gaming library and peak gfx. Not sure what hacking has to do with any of that.

oh great, all by major publishers without offering any support.... heh did you jsut type hack into the forum search field to get those?

show me games that matter most of the time on there.

Tomb Raider.... seriously?

Yeah,because they're pwning you doesn't mean they're hacking.

GTA doesn't matter? Yeah there's GTA hacks on console but so few people are using them you'd probably never encounter one. GTA 4 on pc was a hackfest and unless Rockstar implements pc specific cheat protection then it will be he same. Devs don't need to implement cheat protection on console because the manufacturers take care of the cheat prevention.

Ezpz was a UT2004 player who everyone suspected but wasn't sure until it was confirmed. That's a rare case, most cheaters are obvious. Like in CoD where the killcam shows the guy headshotting 3 people in 2 seconds through walls.

Mad cuz bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hWsZW_sdE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlsZ270_MrU

b-b-b-but consoles are hack free!!

you realise... as far as multi player games go... GTA ... is infact... not a big deal on PC right? infact the community hated its horribly limited and walled off environment. It is barely played.

So yes, as far as the PC platform goes, its shockingly s*it online does not matter. maybe GTA5 will fair better, but I bet its as DRM ridden and walled off from dedicated servers taht nobody will care once again.

These developers make these poor decisions that work for consoles but not PC. Dedicated servers run by the players tend to be alot safer from hacks, or at least moderated from them.

Even things like VAC are a deterant because once banned your entire steam account's game list is banned if they have VAC.

Yes, I will gladly acknoledge there is a problem, but with the majority of IMPORTANT TO PC GAMING multiplayer games.... cheating is a minority issue.

Stop cherry picking s*itty console focused games as some sort of "fine example"

back on topic:

And that is just DoTA 2... PC Domination Continuation.

Wow, what a comeback there. I've been accused of cheating too many times to count. I know the difference between a good player and a cheater.

You do realize that the user of those hacks had to jailbreak the ps 3 and risks having their console banned from online use right? If you played both console and pc mp extensively you would know the odds of running into a cheater is much higher on pc. I've still never seen onecheater on 360.

They don't exist since you never saw one,ditto.

It's barely played because it was full of hackers. Walled off environment? There's free roam mode but certain gametypes wouldn't work with the entire map open.

When did I say they didn't exist? I said the odds are much higher on pc? Reading comprehension a problem for you?

Cranler is here, it's too late for that

You seem to be implying that since you never saw one on the 360 but saw tons of PC

@MBirdy88 said:

back on topic:

And that is just DoTA 2... PC Domination Continuation.

Don't see how this benefits 99.99% of gamers. Plus most of that prize pool is from people spending money on a f2p game.

Little bit silly to compare Dota 2 to other sports. How many other Dota 2 events with big prize money are there this each year?

Comparing Dota 2 to just the NBA playoffs? The average NBA salary is $5 million and that's before any bonuses for playoffs.

Tennis and golf have many big purse events throughout the year. Those World Cup players are pros and the World Cup is like a bonus.

"Odds are much higher" is a quite straightforward statement implying there are cheaters on console but much more rare.