PC gaming is crushing consoles

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@Dasein808 said:
@Cranler said:

Min req for many games is 8800gt. Many pc games are dx10-11 only. First dx 10 only game was in 2010. So no, a 7800 wouldn't have cut it unless you wanted to skip a lot of games.

Nice try, but Crysis was released in '08 and even it still supported NVIDIA 6800 / ATI 9800 Pro cards with an 8800 series card being "recommended."

Most devs continued supporting DX9 over 10 for a considerable period even after 10's release.

An 8800 series card minimum requirement didn't really start until 2011 with games like The Witcher 2 and Crysis 2, but these were both exceptions known for their graphical beastliness.

So even 6 years after the 360's release, upgrading was only "required" if you were determined to play a handful of titles or use DX10 which most devs still weren't actively supporting.

I don't know what any of this has to do with your initial hyperbolic statement, but I have noticed your penchant for derailing threads through a stream of endless tangential replies.

@Cranler said:

I'm talking about how long before it's obsolete not dies.

Much longer than you seem to think.

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Comparing the 360 gpu perfomance to an nvidia gpu that has same performance as an amd gpu is the same thing.

Comparing the 360's graphics chip to an AMD GPU that has similar performance and provided a template for much of the Xbox's chip's architecture is a more legitimate comparison, especially when NVIDIA's GPUs were more powerful than AMD's at the time.

@Cranler said:

8800gt came out in late 2007. It's right there in the link

And?

It's part of the same series of cards. It also debuted ~4 years before the first games requiring a minimum of an 8800 even started to appear.

@Cranler said:

$1800 Self built pc to match the 360 with 2005 pricing. My $2000 estimate was quite close.

7800 gt $500/ athlon x2 $500/ mb $150/2gb ram $250/case $100/psu $50/250 gb hd $100/w 98 $100/dvd drive $50

7800GT's could be found for $400-$450 following their release.

I have no idea where you're getting your processor quote.

The 360 used a 3.2Ghz tri-core PowerPC processor.

The closest tri-core AMD processor that I found was not even released until 2010 and it's probably a lot more powerful than '05 tech, but for some crazy reason it still only cost $87 upon release and not your ridiculously overestimated $500.

When did consoles get into overclocking?

Yeah, so you can do away with about $75 of your estimated motherboard price.

I was not aware that MS released some 360s with 4x the amount of RAM of other Xboxes.

Oh yeah, they didn't. Your RAM costs are also around $50 too much for 2GB.

512 MB RAM: $90.

$50 too much on your case estimate. This is not a boutique PC.

250GB HDD Xboxes were not available till 2010. In 2007 they offered the first Xbox with a HDD > than 20GB. The 120GB version for a measly $479.

20GB 5400 RPM HDD $50 (I'm probably being $20 too generous with this estimate since it is a 5400 drive).

DVD drive $25. Xboxes weren't using Blu-ray DVD drives.

I don't know if you could even still buy copies of '98 in 2005, but if you could, then I doubt that they cost $100.

$100 WIndows XP.

$877 and it's capable of much more than just playing games.

Once again, your original peasant claim is littered with outright lies and convenient distortions.

This is so wrong I had to requote.

So you want to use a cpu that came out in 2010 for a 2005 build? And use 2010 cpu pricing for a 2005 pc build? How can you be this irrational and biased?

You think a comparable pc to the 360 would have the same amount of ram? Are you completely new to gaming? Many multiplats throughout last gen had a 1gb min req for Windows XP users.

20 gb hdd? A pc can't run games from the dvd drive and many pc games require more than 20gb.

So this pc of yours to match the 360 couldn't run any games until 2010 since that's when the cpu you want to use came out. Can't run about half the multiplats of last gen due to insufficient ram, due to the puny hdd you can't have more than 2-3 games installed and large games like GTA 4, Rage, Max Payne 3 etc can't even be installed.

This is what $800 would have gotten you in 2005 http://www.extremetech.com/computing/75332-build-an-800-gaming-pc/2

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Do not bump old threads, please.