OG Tomb Raider trilogy remasters announced.

@TheEroica: Lol, well, let's just say that a shit ton of people disagree with you.

@nod_calypse:

What are the gold editions? Do they have extra content and how can I get them?

Ironic they first announce this at a Nintendo gig. Like, I know TR has been on Nintendo in the past (sans Wii U), I have Legend and Anniversary on GCN and Wii. But this was when TR was associated most with PlayStation.

Still playing PlayStation games on the same system we play Mario 64, Goldeneye, and Pokemon Stadium is unreal.

A shit ton of people also believe the world is flat.🙃

The Gold editions were for 1 and 2, and were free PC-exclusive extra content packs. They each have a number of new levels, and expand the story. As for TR3, the expansion went beyond the Gold editions, and was actually a full on standalone game, which served as a kind of immediate sequel to the events of TR3. All the content is great, as it really expands the lore, and offers more of what makes the games great in the first place, puzzle solving, exploration, immersive atmosphere, etc. You can dl them from.....places....and get them to run on modern machines, but it's a bit of a headache, especially with Lost Artifact. Possible, though. I did it. Head over to tombraiderforums.com to learn how to dl and install. The community there has got you covered.

Basically, the expansions are for those that aren't obsessed with female anatomy, and realize that these games are not about booba, but rather a unique kind of acrobatic gameplay, deep puzzle solving, intriguing plots, and exotic locale exploration.

I was hoping it was a remake, not a remaster. I hope it plays as good as the Tomb Raider series on PS4

True, but I'm just happy it got announced, period. The more platforms, the better imo. Everyone that wants to enjoy old school TR should be able to easily, and that's exactly what this does.

Will be interesting to see how it sells on switch I'll probably go xbox or playstation.

Using modern controls would basically break the game. Which, guessing they will do.

If anything needs fixed it's the dog-shit AI. Always been terrible in these games.

I expect big numbers, overall. Tons of people have been asking for this a long time, which is the sole reason why the effort was put out to make it.

@uninspiredcup: If it worked for REmake and Onimusha when they were Remastered. And I always thought tank controls were awkward in a platformer in a post Mario 64 world.

@nintendoboy16: Apples and oranges. TR old school had a very precise acrobatic platforming setup. Changing the controls would ruin the scheme.

@nod_calypse: Correct.

And in fact, we do have an example of this happening.

This is a Tomb Raider clone. The PC version uses similar tank controls, the N64 version uses updated controls. And it completely fucks up the pacing the game. The first level can finish in about 1/7th of the time, it was never designed for that kind of control scheme so all the design laid down around slower methodical pacing becomes absolutely moot.

Yes, I always remember the combat and AI in these games to be awful.

But ok, I guess if they can't apply modern controls for these games it's not a deal breaker.

I'd love to watch someone play the first tomb raider and tell me it's worth their time. That generation has notoriously dated games due to the first attempts at many widely perfected genres... I remember playing tomb raider when it came out and thinking it was a chore to play. Years later it was just an easy pass.

@nod_calypse:

Oh that sounds great and like really substantial content. I will look into that for sure, thank you. I think I only ever installed fix packs and graphics tweaks for them that I found on Steam. I hope they will also remaster the other games in the future too. And yeah I don't play these for the boobas lol, I'm here for the satisfying gameplay experience.

You've gotta be kidding me, dude. Tons of people still play them. There's a huge community. The original engine was made free to the public, for example. Collectively the community has developed literally over 5,000 games using that engine; these games play exactly like old school TR, as it's the same engine. To this day games are being developed independently and uploaded to places like TRLE.

Yeah, it's not hard to see. Don't understand why people can't understand this.

Right on. Yeah, I tend to defend these games to the death, lol. Big time fan.

Oh yeah, and tombraiders.net is a really good site run by Stella Lune. It links to all the downloads you need, and has instructions on how to make it all work. She does not support piracy. The dl's are for abandonware/free content, or else she'll point you to where to go to purchase. Personally, for The Lost Artifact I bought a copy off ebay, then went through hell getting it to work on my PC, lol.

Unless they update the gameplay, it is a hard pass. Those games play terrible by modern standards.

Modern 3D-action platformers involve pressing X and pushing forward without the ability to fall of the ledge.

If this is modern standards it's time to go back, back to the past.

Lol, it's a losing battle.

Gamers these days don't like to die.

Pffft, no thanks.

Yeah, that's a big No from me, too. A Hell No, actually. The vibe of TLoU, and anything like it, is utterly foreign to the original TR games.

Yup.

I don't want to pay for the literal same game again I can already play on PC [probably].

I'll take your word for it, then, because I just don't see it.

What, you don't like tank controls?!

@mrbojangles25: Haha, fair enough. If you want proof, just head over to the official Tomb Raider forums. Fans by the boatload are over there popping champagne.

@nod_calypse: Doubtful when Lara Croft's Persian predecessor pulled it off in it's second 3D attempts back on PS2, GCN, Xbox.

@nod_calypse: I grew up during the Atari Era. I don't like modern games due to their cinematic nature. The issue with the older games is the tank controls aren't intuitive anymore. I agree with the no falling off cliffs, and how most of Uncharted 4 can literally be beat with 1 hand on the controller. No arguments here, but an old game with dated controls isn't the answer to a game being difficult. My favorite games are From soft games because they remind me of the games of old in difficulty but modernized.

@uninspiredcup: see my response to nod above. The response was to you a well. U lived these games on the ps1, but they didn't agree well control wise. I wish that had because I have many fond memories of the series. I spent hours just playing around in the mansion.

Always disagreeing with me. Not cool. Not cool at all tbh.

Yeah, I mean, I guess what's going on here is that I never stopped playing those old games, so I never got out of touch with the controls, really. I play a lot of TR level editor levels/campaigns. As far as being hard because they're dated, I don't agree. I think old school TR has phenomenal control. I just think it is demanding of you, which is to say, it requires that you play by its rules. You can get into a zone with those old TR controls, and when you do, everything flows smoothly, like a damn ballerina or something. As far as the old TR games go, though, a big part of the challenge is in the puzzle solving, which is to a degree separate of the controls often.

I've been a TR fan from the beginning. That doesn't change the fact that the gameplay is clunky af.

If you're happy with that then more power to you, I just can't get over how bad they play, nostalgia is a good drug lol.

The game controlled like ass before but it was a fascinating and new experience.

Nice! I still poke at the originals from time to time. The facelift looks good - I’ll probably bite

@nod_calypse: The puzzles were amazing. That was my favorite part of the series and what I miss most about the new trilogy. I still love playing some older games, but a lot of early 3d stuff with tank controls throw me off now because I'm not used to them anymore. Most games I play are indie because they remind me of the challenge of when I was younger. I may hook my ps1 up and break out Tomb Raider to see how I like them these days. Maybe if I play for a while the controls will become natural again like you said.

Oh, it'll be rough for sure, lol. Going back to it after having been away for a long time can be frustrating. But yeah, if you stick with it, the "feeling" will come back, like riding a bike.

For what it's worth, old school TR controls only feel like ass if the player is ass at using them. Once you get good at it, everything flows smoothly. All the clunkiness disappears. That's how it was designed.

Looking forward to locking the butler in the freezer. So many memories flooding back from TR 2.

@hardwenzen: Gotta wonder why you're even posting in here.

Such memories. Remember figuring that out, then walking away and you could still hear dude in there clunking around with his tray.

I love how you can switch to the original graphics; but the new graphics don't seem that much better.

@Willy105: They look abit souless to me. Be playing with the OG's pointy tits.

One of the things love about TR2, think the games over and then just jumps back to the mansion with a epilogue level with a classic 90s cheese ending.

Fun stuff. Instead of this.

Has the expansion packs as well. Most of them are really good.

@uninspiredcup said:

@robert_sparkes said:

Looking forward to locking the butler in the freezer. So many memories flooding back from TR 2.

One of the things love about TR2, think the games over and then just jumps back to the mansion with a epilogue level with a classic 90s cheese ending.

Fun stuff. Instead of this.

Has the expansion packs as well. Most of them are really good.

The expansions are far beyond the icing on the cake, yeah. The Lost Artifact being included in the package is dope as hell. It's a perfect conclusion to TR3.

As for the new Lara, it just ain't Lara, and that's all that needs to be said, really. There is no reconciling that person to the old Lara. Two different people. One common, teary-eyed, soft. The other bitchy in the best way, subtly sarcastic, and dry-eyed. True ice queen.

Take the latter any day.

It's a simple update, cleaned up environments and face. Actually looks like Lara, perfectly. All in one package with expansions. That's all that's needed.

I cant wait to jump into some old school tomb raider really like the new games but don't have the puzzles of the old games.

Players can experience the journey their own way, with the ability to toggle on the fly between enhanced and original graphics, as well as switch between classic and modern joystick control schemes. Fans will also discover a variety of quality-of-life improvements, including camera lock-on and achievements.

Gonna wait until February at least but the 20% loyalty discount does sound good, along with updated controls.

Think I'll have to use the updated controls would find it hard going back to the d pad.

Rise of the Tomb Raider 2 >>>>> This. :P