Most people who bash the PS3's graphics haven't seen this

[QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

[QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"]OMG i love how cows for the life of them couldnt tell in game footage from a cgi teaser trailer! its so FUNNY!!! but whats even better is that sony is LIEING about it to the cows FACES , like when they confirmed killzone realtime, THAT WAS CLASSIC !!! and btw their were like 20 dragons on screen SELF OWNEDrocklegacy2

You need to work on your spelling... CGI? Proof? And that is not Sony it is Factor 5, educate yourself.

I was the one who posted the damn thing :| There was at least 100 dragons on the screen at one time. SCE is the one that publishes the game that's why , Factor 5 develops it but is not apart of SCEWS. Well lemmon your ignorance has caused you a suspension. Bye.

But isn't this about Lair and not Killzone?

[QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

rocklegacy2

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

Silencer786

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

Says the guy who though Direct X made the Xenos more superior to the RSX. :lol:

[QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

rocklegacy2

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

Says the guy who though Direct X made the Xenos more superior to the RSX. :lol:

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

343Guilty-spark

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

Hypocrissy. Your posts contained no substance at all , mouthing off that Lair was CGI when you have no proof of it. And now you're saying I am owned , you're owned for sending a friend request to the most idiotic person in system wars and that is darkeye. A person with a brain would know better. I will save up for a PlayStation 3 , which makes the 360 a non essential.

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

Silencer786

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

Says the guy who though Direct X made the Xenos more superior to the RSX. :lol:

Haha and you admit it! That's why you are known for the biggest self owner in system wars.

[QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

rocklegacy2

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

Says the guy who though Direct X made the Xenos more superior to the RSX. :lol:

Haha and you admit it! That's why you are known for the biggest self owner in system wars.

PS3 will own the 360 since the PS2 ownz it already automaticsnake

not quite.  But hold on, let me just check...... yep the ps3 is still set to be technically be better than the 360, thought i might just remind the xboys to stop slaving for bill gates.

good choice in games on your profile btw

Is Factor 5 a good developer?
ken_gamer

Star Wars Rouge Squadern 2 for the GC- 9.4.

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

Silencer786

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

Says the guy who though Direct X made the Xenos more superior to the RSX. :lol:

Haha and you admit it! That's why you are known for the biggest self owner in system wars.

**throws toys out of pram and throws a paddy** calm down dear its only a comercial

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Silencer786"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="Siylentbob"]

Not impressed... I don't exactly care if there is about 100 dragons in a cutscene when I have about 300 trolls during gameplay in Kameo.

Silencer786

Each dragon in lair= 150k polygons. :| Fools.

There is a difference between actually gameplay and a cutscene.

has anybody actually seen gameplay footage here?

sonic is a bad example, it is meant to look plastic and shiny, but thats all the 360 can do.

You're sending a friend request to darkeye?! :lol: Don't you realize that he was banned because of his retarded posts?? Well you've proved that you're as bad as him so I guess you two are meant to be... you two are going to become the laughing stock of system wars.

Says the guy who though Direct X made the Xenos more superior to the RSX. :lol:

Haha and you admit it! That's why you are known for the biggest self owner in system wars.

I accepted the ownage , you didn't therefore you have been owned the most. Your deinal and ignorance is what made you have the biggest self inflicted ownage in system wars history.

We have every right to bash the PS3's graphics since everything Sony has shown is completely CGI animated.megamegaman

Self owned. I fail to see 4D graphics. :osp0inK

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

rocklegacy2

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

HeedleGlavin

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

HeedleGlavin

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

rocklegacy2

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

rocklegacy2

Everyone knows (or just denies the facts) that the 360 has the better GPU as it's based on more current GPU technology.  RSX=7800=old (but still good).  It's not like it's going to be make that much of a difference anyway, so it won't hurt the PS3 that much.  Also for what the ps3 loses in graphics it will make up for in physics.  And what the 360 loses in physics it makes up for in LIVE and it's ability to run multiple programs at once without multitasking the gameing threads.

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

pmurph13

Teh funny!!!

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

rocklegacy2

Wow...I guess you didnt read how RARE tested the 360 with PerfectDark and Kameo.

IGN: In what ways does Kameo take advantage of the Xbox 360's powerful engine?

Nick Burton: We always wanted to have crowd scenes in Kameo and started to do some experiments with the Xbox 1 and figured we could get maybe 100 or so NPCs. Once we moved onto the Xbox 360 we thought, "Let's try something that will slow it down, how about 1,000? Ran fine, no problem whatsoever! How about 3,000? Still fine!" Then we thought we had better try it with something more taxing than a test level so we put them on the Battle Field level which was all parallax and normal mapped, had a huge draw distance and lots of special effects like volumetric smoke; it still ran fine. In the released game we had something like 3000-plus NPCs because more than that was hard to choreograph, but the 360 can do much more. At one point during debug we found that each of the NPCs in one scene were being drawn 4 times by mistake, that's 12,000 being drawn and still no sign of slowdown.

We had a similar story with the GPU particle systems... We had a test running with a 100,000 particles being computed purely on the GPU, no CPU intervention at all. Now the Xbox 1 could do that but on the 360 they all react to the player and hit the floor and are lit, then we tried more, lots more! How about 1 milion? We aren't talking test levels or tech demos here. They are actually in the released game, and you can go and count them in the Throne Room. Most levels don't have quite that many though as only about 300,000 are normally in visible range at one time.

When thinking about the NPC and particle rendering, remember to put it into context; these are not tech demos and they represent a tiny amount of the actual graphical load Kameo puts on the Xbox 360. Each scene has hugely complex shaders on the geometry that would not have been possible on previous generation hardware, or even on the PC until recently. Almost every surface in Kameo is both normal and parallax mapped, has a detail map, is shadowed, has some global illumination and has an accurate dynamic lighting model. On top of the main model shaders, you have so many effects such as (but not all) particles, volumetric smoke and fire, instanced foliage, grass shaders, true reflections, accurate depth of field, bloom, color correction, real-time water surfaces, heat haze, and much more.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/693/693239p3.html

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/761/761161/vid_1179534.html

Did you see how many dragons that were on the screen?? Kameo has been owned.

:lol: @ nasos for thinking they're aren't any real time screens for Lair.

killab2oo5

Wow...I guess you didnt read how RARE tested the 360 with PerfectDark and Kameo.

IGN: In what ways does Kameo take advantage of the Xbox 360's powerful engine?

Nick Burton: We always wanted to have crowd scenes in Kameo and started to do some experiments with the Xbox 1 and figured we could get maybe 100 or so NPCs. Once we moved onto the Xbox 360 we thought, "Let's try something that will slow it down, how about 1,000? Ran fine, no problem whatsoever! How about 3,000? Still fine!" Then we thought we had better try it with something more taxing than a test level so we put them on the Battle Field level which was all parallax and normal mapped, had a huge draw distance and lots of special effects like volumetric smoke; it still ran fine. In the released game we had something like 3000-plus NPCs because more than that was hard to choreograph, but the 360 can do much more. At one point during debug we found that each of the NPCs in one scene were being drawn 4 times by mistake, that's 12,000 being drawn and still no sign of slowdown.

We had a similar story with the GPU particle systems... We had a test running with a 100,000 particles being computed purely on the GPU, no CPU intervention at all. Now the Xbox 1 could do that but on the 360 they all react to the player and hit the floor and are lit, then we tried more, lots more! How about 1 milion? We aren't talking test levels or tech demos here. They are actually in the released game, and you can go and count them in the Throne Room. Most levels don't have quite that many though as only about 300,000 are normally in visible range at one time.

When thinking about the NPC and particle rendering, remember to put it into context; these are not tech demos and they represent a tiny amount of the actual graphical load Kameo puts on the Xbox 360. Each scene has hugely complex shaders on the geometry that would not have been possible on previous generation hardware, or even on the PC until recently. Almost every surface in Kameo is both normal and parallax mapped, has a detail map, is shadowed, has some global illumination and has an accurate dynamic lighting model. On top of the main model shaders, you have so many effects such as (but not all) particles, volumetric smoke and fire, instanced foliage, grass shaders, true reflections, accurate depth of field, bloom, color correction, real-time water surfaces, heat haze, and much more.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/693/693239p3.html

does it matter???? its RARE..... if it came from a 3rd party company then i agree... but 1st party like to hype them selves up too much

OMG i love how cows for the life of them couldnt tell in game footage from a cgi teaser trailer! its so FUNNY!!!  but whats even better is that sony is LIEING about  it  to the cows FACES , like when they confirmed killzone realtime, THAT WAS CLASSIC !!!     and btw their were like 20 dragons on screen SELF OWNED343Guilty-spark

Killzone was DEFINATLY a video, confirmed and not even made by the same team that makes the game :)

But Lair they said was real-time, though if i do not see some actual in game pics i will never believe they will have an uber detailed world and that number of dragons on screen, except if the game is like panzer dragoon orta and not free roaming, which would make me not get it, i want a free to go anywhere action game or an rpg, anything else is no buy

[QUOTE="rocklegacy2"][QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"][QUOTE="rocklegacy2"]

[QUOTE="343Guilty-spark"]OMG i love how cows for the life of them couldnt tell in game footage from a cgi teaser trailer! its so FUNNY!!!  but whats even better is that sony is LIEING about  it  to the cows FACES , like when they confirmed killzone realtime, THAT WAS CLASSIC !!!     and btw their were like 20 dragons on screen SELF OWNED343Guilty-spark

You need to work on your spelling... CGI? Proof? And that is not Sony it is Factor 5, educate yourself.

I was the one who posted the damn thing :| There was at least 100 dragons on the screen at one time.  SCE is the one that publishes the game that's why , Factor 5 develops it but is not apart of SCEWS. Well lemmon your ignorance has caused you a suspension. Bye.

7 to 10 years or until you get a PS3. Which ever comes first. :D

[QUOTE="csliney"]Judgement is reserved until I can see somebody is playing it, therefor I have nothing to base an opinion on thus far. If you are honest you will admit you don't either, you are just backing the safe bet for next gen.rocklegacy2

This thread is about graphics not gameplay.

[QUOTE="sp0inK"]Self owned. I fail to see 4D graphics. :oMcLarenAK47

Devs have seen it for you. And are developing for it.

[QUOTE="Mordros"] [QUOTE="ken_gamer"] Is Factor 5 a good developer?
HeedleGlavin

Bingo

[QUOTE="meischris39"]

dragons lair is coming 2 360 as well i think

+ you cant base the graphics on oblivion coz those gfx suck even the lemmings know that

rocklegacy2

Dragon Lair? And no Factor 5 have signed an exclusive deal with Sony so no 360 for lemmons. Lair was originally being developed for the 360 but the PS3 outshines the 360 in power so now they are making it for the PS3.

if the ps3 outshines the 360 "in power", why do 360 games look better than ps3 games...?  

;)