Most Overrated game of all Time. Mine's Zelda OoT

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Hell yeah, CoD is definitely overrated.

But here we are, what 12 or 13 years since the release of OoT and FFVII and they still receive mass worship with no signs of slowing down. I just don't see that happening with any of the CoD titles.

CoD gets the sales and it gets undeserved praise from "professional" critics, but it doesn't get showered with constant praise as much as OoT and FFVII and I really don't believe it will have the same longevity.

sandbox3d

Well that is an opinion, but it is an opinion that I agree with! :lol:CoD isn't even fun to me now, so I know it wont be 10 years from now lol.

I find OoT and FFVII to be much more enjoyable than any CoD game, but I still think they receive more praise then any game could ever possibly deserve. They are great titles and at the time of release they were jaw dropping amazing. I understood the mass praise back then since those games made most games before them look like antiques, but that time has come and gone imo.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Well, OoT and FF VII are still fun to play. Call of Duty will not be fun to play in ten years.

DarkLink77

Well that is an opinion, but it is an opinion that I agree with! :lol:CoD isn't even fun to me now, so I know it wont be 10 years from now lol.

I find OoT and FFVII to be much more enjoyable than any CoD game, but I still think they receive more praise then any game could ever possibly deserve. They are great titles and at the time of release they were jaw dropping amazing. I understood the mass praise back then since those games made most games before them look like antiques, but that time has come and gone imo.

No, no, I understand that. I'm not saying nostalgia plays into the enjoyment of those games. I still enjoy playing Super Mario World, Final Fantasy 6, Symphony of the Night, etc.. and it has nothing to do with nostalgia, they are just fun games.

Like you said, those games do hold up and I also have more fun with them than most modern titles. I'm not trying to belittle those games at all, I just believe that no game deserves the amount of praise that those two get; old or new.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Well that is an opinion, but it is an opinion that I agree with! :lol:CoD isn't even fun to me now, so I know it wont be 10 years from now lol.

I find OoT and FFVII to be much more enjoyable than any CoD game, but I still think they receive more praise then any game could ever possibly deserve. They are great titles and at the time of release they were jaw dropping amazing. I understood the mass praise back then since those games made most games before them look like antiques, but that time has come and gone imo.

sandbox3d

No, no, I understand that. I'm not saying nostalgia plays into the enjoyment of those games. I still enjoy playing Super Mario World, Final Fantasy 6, Symphony of the Night, etc.. and it has nothing to do with nostalgia, they are just fun games.

Like you said, those games do hold up and I also have more fun with them than most modern titles. I'm not trying to belittle those games at all, I just believe that no game deserves the amount of praise that those two get; old or new.

Yeah OOT hate usually equates to "I dont like this, I dont like that" when they try and be specific they just make themselves look dumb. Dungeon design, as well as pacing are widely accepted to be what makes it such a classic. If you dont like Ocarina of Time they probably dont like action adventure games in general but people hate its popularity so they try and downplay it in ridiculous ways.

Jolt_counter119

I define a "classic" as a game with incredible polish.

A game that is just so confident about itself, slick, stylish, and unique.

Ocarina of Time, although it introduced a fully explorable, 3D world and innovative combat, feels unpolished when playing it retrospectively.

The sub-par textures (even for the time), slightly loose, buggy controls, and repetitive plot (for a plot-based game) all contributed to this.

It's definitely a great game, there's no doubt about that. The puzzles, level design, and innovations to the long-standing Zelda formula were outstanding.

But playing it today...the modern gamer who isn't blinded by nostalgia just doesn't have the same love for the game.

A classic should be able to hold up for time immemorial. Any gamer, no matter what generation, should be able to try out the game and say "this is awesome."

The very reason we are even having this debate about OoT means that maybe...maybe the game just hasn't aged well.

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Yeah OOT hate usually equates to "I dont like this, I dont like that" when they try and be specific they just make themselves look dumb. Dungeon design, as well as pacing are widely accepted to be what makes it such a classic. If you dont like Ocarina of Time they probably dont like action adventure games in general but people hate its popularity so they try and downplay it in ridiculous ways.

peterw007

I define a "classic" as a game with incredible polish.

A game that is just so confident about itself, slick, stylish, and unique.

Ocarina of Time, although it introduced a fully explorable, 3D world and innovative combat, feels unpolished when playing it retrospectively.

The sub-par textures (even for the time), slightly loose, buggy controls, and repetitive plot (for a plot-based game) all contributed to this.

It's definitely a great game, there's no doubt about that. The puzzles, level design, and innovations to the long-standing Zelda formula were outstanding.

But playing it today...the modern gamer who isn't blinded by nostalgia just doesn't have the same love for the game.

A classic should be able to hold up for time immemorial. Any gamer, no matter what generation, should be able to try out the game and say "this is awesome."

The very reason we are even having this debate about OoT means that maybe...maybe the game just hasn't aged well.

Wind Waker
GTA
Shadow of the Colossus
Metal Gear Solid
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy
Madden
Final Fight
Turtles in Time
God of War
Panzer Dragoon
Double Dragon
Resident Evil

Or maybe you're just a hater, because the plot is by no means repetitive (Name another Zelda game where the actions of the hero unleash the big bad and allow him to conquer the world), and the controls are not buggy at all. I really don't know what game you were playing.

DarkLink77

Really? You don't think at all the Z-targeting system can be clunky and unresponsive at times? Well I certainly did.

What about the really finicky horse controls? The ones where if you're not EXACTLY lined up 100% perfectly Epona just runs into the object?

Ocarina of Time has the same, repetitive Zelda formula:

1. Big bad Ganon wants to take over Hyrule

2. Princess Zelda is captured

3. Link saves Zelda and all of Hyrule

I don't mind repetitive or non-existant plots...but when they take themselves too seriously it becomes a bit of a drag after a while.

In my opinion, Majora's Mask was a breath of fresh air.

I'm not a hater. In fact, I love Ocarina of Time. But I don't really think of it as a classic.

It has a couple of flaws which stop it from being the perfect messiah of a game nostalgia keeps touting it to be.

Modern Warfare, GTA's minus China Town Wars.

Really? You don't think at all the Z-targeting system can be clunky and unresponsive at times? Well I certainly did.

What about the really finicky horse controls? The ones where if you're not EXACTLY lined up 100% perfectly Epona just runs into the object?

Ocarina of Time has the same, repetitive Zelda formula:

1. Big bad Ganon wants to take over Hyrule

2. Princess Zelda is captured

3. Link saves Zelda and all of Hyrule

I don't mind repetitive or non-existant plots...but when they take themselves too seriously it becomes a bit of a drag after a while.

In my opinion, Majora's Mask was a breath of fresh air.

I'm not a hater. In fact, I love Ocarina of Time. But I don't really think of it as a classic.

It has a couple of flaws which stop it from being the perfect messiah of a game nostalgia keeps touting it to be.

peterw007

And here i'm playing it for the first time in 2011, after getting my hands on a n64, and i love it. And i'm a PC fanboy at heart.

Does my existence defy logic? Or could it be... that you are wrong.

Games are subjective, weather its Pong or Crysis, if a game is built to be entertaining, it'll find a fanbase, just like that thousand year old game called Chess.

The only game I can possibly think is overrated is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. That game alone destroyed my enjoyment for the CoD franchise. I can't even play CoD2 anymore.

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Really? You don't think at all the Z-targeting system can be clunky and unresponsive at times? Well I certainly did.

What about the really finicky horse controls? The ones where if you're not EXACTLY lined up 100% perfectly Epona just runs into the object?

Ocarina of Time has the same, repetitive Zelda formula:

1. Big bad Ganon wants to take over Hyrule

2. Princess Zelda is captured

3. Link saves Zelda and all of Hyrule

I don't mind repetitive or non-existant plots...but when they take themselves too seriously it becomes a bit of a drag after a while.

In my opinion, Majora's Mask was a breath of fresh air.

I'm not a hater. In fact, I love Ocarina of Time. But I don't really think of it as a classic.

It has a couple of flaws which stop it from being the perfect messiah of a game nostalgia keeps touting it to be.

Lucianu

And here i'm playing it for the first time in 2011, after getting my hands on a n64, and i love it. And i'm a PC fanboy at heart.

Does my existence defy logic? Or could it be... that you are wrong.

Games are subjective, weather its Pong or Crysis, if a game is built to be entertaining, it'll find a fanbase, just like that thousand year old game called Chess.

lol you have the best emotes. :lol:

And I can relate to your post. I played FFIX for the first time about 2 years back. So far its my favorite RPG this gen and its 11 years old. Fun is fun and that is all there is to it.

The entire RPG genre. :P

And here i'm playing it for the first time in 2011, after getting my hands on a n64, and i love it. And i'm a PC fanboy at heart.

Does my existence defy logic? Or could it be... that you are wrong.

Games are subjective, weather its Pong or Crysis, if a game is built to be entertaining, it'll find a fanbase, just like that thousand year old game called Chess.

Lucianu

For God sakes, I am not arguing OoT isn't awesome, and I am not saying it isn't extremely well designed.

All I'm saying is the game isn't perfect. There are a couple of quirks about the game, and I don't consider it a cla$sic because I personally find them too distracting.

Obviously you disagree. That's perfectly fine. This is an internet forum... one opinion isn't the truth.

Luckily, the remake seems to solve all the irks I have with the old game, so it might have a better chance at perfection.

For God sakes, I am not arguing OoT isn't awesome, and I am not saying it isn't extremely well designed.

All I'm sake is the game isn't perfect. There are a couple of quirks about the game, and I don't consider it a cla$sic because I personally find them too distracting.

Obviously you disagree. That's perfectly fine. This is an internet forum... one opinion isn't the truth.

Luckily, the remake seems to solve all the irks I have with the old game, so it might have a better chance at perfection.

peterw007

No game is perfect i hope people ain't starting to forget that. I can find various flaws in absolutely every single game i've played, even my personal GOAT games.

I don't know about all time, but I think MGS4 is the most overrated game this gen. I love the series. MGS2 and 3 are two of my top ten all time favorites, but MGS4 just failed on so many levels that its inexcusable..... oh wait it is excusable because Kojima made it! At least that's how many reviewers treated the game.

MW2 and Black Ops.

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For God sakes, I am not arguing OoT isn't awesome, and I am not saying it isn't extremely well designed.

All I'm sake is the game isn't perfect. There are a couple of quirks about the game, and I don't consider it a cla$sic because I personally find them too distracting.

Obviously you disagree. That's perfectly fine. This is an internet forum... one opinion isn't the truth.

Luckily, the remake seems to solve all the irks I have with the old game, so it might have a better chance at perfection.

Lucianu

No game is perfect i hope people ain't starting to forget that. I can find various flaws in absolutely every single game i've played, even my personal GOAT games.

Yes, but flaws in some games are more noticable than others.

OoT was also made in the "Early 3D era," a time in gaming where 3D textures were de facto bland and muddy.

No matter how great the gameplay is, it will always have that stigma looming over it.

http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/7/74/Ocarina_Playing_(Ocarina_of_Time).png

Contrast that with the highly detailed and sharp graphics of the "late 2D era":

http://www.zeldaelements.net/images/games/a_link_to_the_past/maps/hyrulecastle.png

Oblivion.

Uncharted 2, CoD 4, or the Rachet and Clank games

Uncharted 2

LaytonsCat

GTA4;

• Unacceptable that I have to spend literally hours driving around just to get a new mission as they're so far apart from each other. It's cool that the city is big for free roaming, but the "main campaign" is horrible because of this from a gameplay perspective.
• Copy/Paste formula.
• Repetetive missions.
• Quality of the missions drops steadily as you progress. I liked the game up until the bank heist, then it was meh.
• The dating aspect is extremly shallow. If you want to introduce a new gameplay mechanic, do it right. The idea is cool. This goes for the friends too. Respect meter or whatever drops even when you're in the middle of a mission and automatically have to turn down hanging out, Simple fix "I'm doing a job right now can't play some pool with ya atm" "Alright np cousin I'll call you later" and no respect/friendship lost, lol... Very shallow.

Just because it's a sandbox game or is very big, doesn't mean that it's ok to have flaws. The game is far from the masterful/amazing category.

Lots of games are overrated

MGS4: They turned MGS into a first person shooter + it had the weakest story in the series

GTA series: Fun game but relies too heavily on sandbox gimick and banal violence to compensate for weak gameplay and lackluster stories. Best thing about them is the soundtrack.

Final Fantasy: Other RPGs, even other Final Fantasies are much better.

God of War: Good game but the gameplay and style is much weaker than other games in the same genre line Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden

Shin Megami Tensai Persona 3 & 4: Fun gameplay but weak storyline and characters take up 70% of the game. Other SMT games like Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga are much better

Hhhmm.. no. OoT is not overrated at all. The game is incredible.

Now Demon's Souls is a different story. The game is good, but Game of the Year good? No. The game was obviously too difficult for most gamers and not even having a pause button is the stupiest thing I've ever seen in a game. I think Gamespot was the only site to give this game GotY, which should tell you something.

MGS IV was also overrated. Most of the game was just a movie. Again, the game was good, but not good enough for a 10 rating. Sites who game this game a 10 must have been smoking something.

blackace

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[QUOTE="DillonShwing"]

SUPER MARIO GALAXY (1&2)

Its the same Mario game we've been playing for the past 15 years but now.....IN SPACE!!!!!!

peterw007

No it isn't, but whatever.

Yeah, I'm going to have to completely disagree with you as well, DillonShwing.

SMG was really, really fun. One of the best times I've had with a single-player video game in a long time.

SMG 2 is the only 10 here at Gamespot that I felt actually deserved it.

Now GTA IV on the other hand...

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[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

No it isn't, but whatever.

Shielder7

Yeah, I'm going to have to completely disagree with you as well, DillonShwing.

SMG was really, really fun. One of the best times I've had with a single-player video game in a long time.

SMG 2 is the only 10 here at Gamespot that I felt actually deserved it.

Now GTA IV on the other hand...

I honestly hope either

A: your joking

B: MS or Sony has paid you

I REALLY hope that.

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[QUOTE="DraugenCP"]

No it isn't, but whatever.

Shielder7

Yeah, I'm going to have to completely disagree with you as well, DillonShwing.

SMG was really, really fun. One of the best times I've had with a single-player video game in a long time.

SMG 2 is the only 10 here at Gamespot that I felt actually deserved it.

Now GTA IV on the other hand...

Huh! It took more risks then the first, it was more creative and the levels made the game fresh.The motion control levels weren't annoying this time and the final stage was incredibly hard.The co-op was also fixed a bit.

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Yeah, I'm going to have to completely disagree with you as well, DillonShwing.

SMG was really, really fun. One of the best times I've had with a single-player video game in a long time.

SMG 2 is the only 10 here at Gamespot that I felt actually deserved it.

Now GTA IV on the other hand...

gamedude234

I honestly hope either

A: your joking

B: MS or Sony has paid you

I REALLY hope that.

Uncharted 2, MGS4, God Of War. Seems to be a pattern :o

MGS4, MGS4, MGS4. Seems to be a pattern :o

-Snooze-

why would anyone revive this blasphemous topic?

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[QUOTE="Shielder7"] SMG 2 did not deserve a 10, it was just a repackaged SMG 1.Shielder7

I honestly hope either

A: your joking

B: MS or Sony has paid you

I REALLY hope that.

You do know you just revived a thread that hasn't been posted in aboutthree weeks.