[QUOTE="mooboojooboo"] my xbox360 died, microsoft has my broken xbox360 they sent me another 360 LOL they spent money on that paper weight they cant sell.killerfistHas nothing to do with it! They make 1 console: Costs them money. They sell 1 console: They make money. And this far, they're makingh money from each console they make....that's the freakin point.And BTW, those "paperweights" get fixed up and resold or used as replacement units.
looks like ms is coming out with a new xbox soon.
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See, here's where your logic breaks down.
Sony started work on the Cell Processor in March of 2001.
OMG! That means Sony is coming out with the PS3 soon!
Six years later...
Sony launches the PS3.
Now that I've said that, please, go do some research on R&D and then come back, because it's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
That's it. I'm going to have to put up with enough of this kind of stuff by working a Sunday shift at a retail store, but at least I can just walk out when it starts happening here. OMG! :lol: That sounds like something a kindergartner would say![QUOTE="mooboojooboo"]spent billions of millonsVerge_6
And BTW, those "paperweights" get fixed up and resold or used as replacement units.HuusAskingThey're getting resold? I thought they only get used as replacements. [QUOTE="Verge_6"] Recently banned PS3fanaddict, is that you? I'm pretty sure it's woobabooba again.
I will only consider buying this new console if, and only then, if M$ has fixed for good: the RROD, and have come up with some better exclusive games that what the 360 currently has. :)
Has nothing to do with it! They make 1 console: Costs them money. They sell 1 console: They make money. And this far, they're makingh money from each console they make....that's the freakin point.And BTW, those "paperweights" get fixed up and resold or used as replacement units. bullcrap you cant fix fried gpu or cpu lol[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="mooboojooboo"] my xbox360 died, microsoft has my broken xbox360 they sent me another 360 LOL they spent money on that paper weight they cant sell.HuusAsking
This means nothing. The Wii was in development before the release of the GC, the sooner R&D can start working on the new console, the better.TylendalI fully agree with your point but I think the Wii is a bad example, I swear Nintendo must have been working on a true GC successor when they looked at it and thought "hang on we are failing at this" and went back to the drawing board quickly throwing together the Wii after a hallucinogenic brainstorming session. I just cant believe the Wii is the result of a 4-5 year development scheme. Sorry I went off topic, Im glad MS are starting earlier this time around, it means they see they rushed the 360 and this time around we will get a more sturdy bit of kit :). Also Im sure Sony are working on PS4 in concept at least, Sony have always thought far ahead.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]And BTW, those "paperweights" get fixed up and resold or used as replacement units. bullcrap you cant fix fried gpu or cpu lol[QUOTE="killerfist"] Has nothing to do with it! They make 1 console: Costs them money. They sell 1 console: They make money. And this far, they're makingh money from each console they make....that's the freakin point.mooboojooboo
It's called refurbishing. If a part needs replacing, they replace it. It's usually caused by voids in the solder underneath the chips, and when a variety of heat is applied it causes cracks.
bullcrap you cant fix fried gpu or cpu lol[QUOTE="mooboojooboo"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]And BTW, those "paperweights" get fixed up and resold or used as replacement units.
lundy86_4
It's called refurbishing. If a part needs replacing, they replace it. It's usually caused by voids in the solder underneath the chips, and when a variety of heat is applied it causes cracks.
lol, they aint gonna take every crap apart and replace it. they wasted their money.
As much as I want to believe you, I don't. We will see the next xbox holiday season of 2010.Yes, the new Xbox is in development. That does NOT mean it'll be released within the next few months or even at any point this year. You do realize that development takes a great deal of time, don't you? Development cycles are usually 3-4 years, beginning shortly after the most current model release, within that system's 5-6 year generation span.
We probably won't see this new Xbox until 2011 or 2012.
And again, you make the rash presumption that 360 won't be getting any new games this year or the next. MS doesn't do it like Sony, hyping games over 3 years before we finally see them. They like to keep their cards close to their chest, showing theor hand only when it's strategically to their advantage to do so.
We'll have plenty new games to play in 2009 to 2012, trust me :)
AdobeArtist
If by "soon" you mean 2012, then yes, soonFloppy_JimYeah, you guys say that but who knows how long they have already been working on it. The thing is we don't know. What we do know is that they are starting to talk about it. And excluisves are drying up. Didn't this happen before? I think it did.... and may just happen again. They are loosing money and face, because of rrod and rrod and now e74. They made a crap console that has a 33% failure rate. They want a replacement. And they want wow with it's potential for them to charge $20 a month, 15 to blizzard and 5 for ms..i see it happening already.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]If by "soon" you mean 2012, then yes, soonworld69star69Yeah, you guys say that but who knows how long they have already been working on it. The thing is we don't know. What we do know is that they are starting to talk about it. And excluisves are drying up. Didn't this happen before? I think it did.... and may just happen again. They are loosing money and face, because of rrod and rrod and now e74. They made a crap console that has a 33% failure rate. They want a replacement. And they want wow with it's potential for them to charge $20 a month, 15 to blizzard and 5 for ms..i see it happening already.
The 360 is in a dry part of it life with exclusives. Wait for E3 before saying there would be a next Box coming out soon. AlsoI am pretty sure the 360 is making money, and link to it having a 33% failure rate that isn't from some random Gamestop worker or an online poll.
Oh, and if MS gets WoW on the 360 that could potentially bring massive sales.carljohnson3456I doubt it tbh. Not the current WoW anyway. You don't need a supercomputer to play it and it's sitting on 13million(?) accounts so far.:P
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]If by "soon" you mean 2012, then yes, soonworld69star69Yeah, you guys say that but who knows how long they have already been working on it. The thing is we don't know. What we do know is that they are starting to talk about it. And excluisves are drying up. Didn't this happen before? I think it did.... and may just happen again. They are loosing money and face, because of rrod and rrod and now e74. They made a crap console that has a 33% failure rate. They want a replacement. And they want wow with it's potential for them to charge $20 a month, 15 to blizzard and 5 for ms..i see it happening already.
Yeah, and the thing is, you don't know how long they've been working on it either, which completely invalidates your post. :|
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]If by "soon" you mean 2012, then yes, soonworld69star69Yeah, you guys say that but who knows how long they have already been working on it. The thing is we don't know. What we do know is that they are starting to talk about it. And excluisves are drying up. Didn't this happen before? I think it did.... and may just happen again. They are loosing money and face, because of rrod and rrod and now e74. They made a crap console that has a 33% failure rate. They want a replacement. And they want wow with it's potential for them to charge $20 a month, 15 to blizzard and 5 for ms..i see it happening already. They aren't loosing money any more though. I think they have actually been making moeny on the 360 for some time now. And with the economy the way it is, I doubt they ae in a rush to be developing and launching the 720 within the next year.
Yeah, you guys say that but who knows how long they have already been working on it. The thing is we don't know. What we do know is that they are starting to talk about it. And excluisves are drying up. Didn't this happen before? I think it did.... and may just happen again. They are loosing money and face, because of rrod and rrod and now e74. They made a crap console that has a 33% failure rate. They want a replacement. And they want wow with it's potential for them to charge $20 a month, 15 to blizzard and 5 for ms..i see it happening already.[QUOTE="world69star69"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]If by "soon" you mean 2012, then yes, soonThe_Game21x
Yeah, and the thing is, you don't know how long they've been working on it either, which completely invalidates your post. :|
Your right I don't know. I do know that MS has killed it's first party support...a fact. I know they abandoned pc, a fact. I know that blizzard...ere..cashtivision wants more billions and is eyeing up xbox...fact... MS is loosing money on fixing rrod..fact.. E74 has increased since nxe..fact... They can't compete with the sony exclusives..... Listen to their spokesperson, all he ever does is bash sony, while not saying anything promising for xbox besides vague stuff. Why must he bash? The guy sounds like one of you hardcore lemmings. If he was confident in his product he wouldn't need to bash...he should just spout what is coming for xbox but he can't because there is nothing new really. They mite announce a game or 2 at e3, but i guarantee they are going to mostly have multiplats at e3, as they killed of 1st party. Going by the facts, their past, and current trends, It's easy to speculate that the next xbox will be out soon. I am not saying it will be, just that it may be, as the signs are there showing it.[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="world69star69"] Yeah, you guys say that but who knows how long they have already been working on it. The thing is we don't know. What we do know is that they are starting to talk about it. And excluisves are drying up. Didn't this happen before? I think it did.... and may just happen again. They are loosing money and face, because of rrod and rrod and now e74. They made a crap console that has a 33% failure rate. They want a replacement. And they want wow with it's potential for them to charge $20 a month, 15 to blizzard and 5 for ms..i see it happening already. world69star69
Yeah, and the thing is, you don't know how long they've been working on it either, which completely invalidates your post. :|
Your right I don't know. I do know that MS has killed it's first party support...a fact. I know they abandoned pc, a fact. I know that blizzard...ere..cashtivision wants more billions and is eyeing up xbox...fact... MS is loosing money on fixing rrod..fact.. E74 has increased since nxe..fact... They can't compete with the sony exclusives..... Listen to their spokesperson, all he ever does is bash sony, while not saying anything promising for xbox besides vague stuff. Why must he bash? The guy sounds like one of you hardcore lemmings. If he was confident in his product he wouldn't need to bash...he should just spout what is coming for xbox but he can't because there is nothing new really. They mite announce a game or 2 at e3, but i guarantee they are going to mostly have multiplats at e3, as they killed of 1st party. Going by the facts, their past, and current trends, It's easy to speculate that the next xbox will be out soon. I am not saying it will be, just that it may be, as the signs are there showing it.Sony's spokeperson does that as well...
i laughed
games like MGS4 andKZ2 may have been announced 4+ years ago, but they came, and they delivered. But I hope the TC's guess isn't true, that would be an outrage if MS decides to do the 360 the same way they did the original, i'd say the first Xbox would be doing well right now if they'd kept it alive, they'd have a card against the PS2 then.[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
Yes, the new Xbox is in development. That does NOT mean it'll be released within the next few months or even at any point this year. You do realize that development takes a great deal of time, don't you? Development cycles are usually 3-4 years, beginning shortly after the most current model release, within that system's 5-6 year generation span.
We probably won't see this new Xbox until 2011 or 2012.
And again, you make the rash presumption that 360 won't be getting any new games this year or the next. MS doesn't do it like Sony, hyping games over 3 years before we finally see them. They like to keep their cards close to their chest, showing theor hand only when it's strategically to their advantage to do so.
We'll have plenty new games to play in 2009 to 2012, trust me :)
SmashingX
The point is, just because MS isn't announcing a boat load of new games for 2009 in 2008, doesn't mean we got a dry spell. They more often make announcements closer to when they have something to show, and by that I mean real in-game footage and not CGI teasers. MS does have games in development for a couple of years but the promotion of those new games are done closer to when they plan to release them. And there's still plenty of 2009 left to hear what they have in store for us. E3 hasn't even come yet, and as pointed out, the traditional Big Show format is back this year (wooooot, bring on the Booth Babes) :)
[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="world69star69"] Yeah, you guys say that but who knows how long they have already been working on it. The thing is we don't know. What we do know is that they are starting to talk about it. And excluisves are drying up. Didn't this happen before? I think it did.... and may just happen again. They are loosing money and face, because of rrod and rrod and now e74. They made a crap console that has a 33% failure rate. They want a replacement. And they want wow with it's potential for them to charge $20 a month, 15 to blizzard and 5 for ms..i see it happening already. world69star69
Yeah, and the thing is, you don't know how long they've been working on it either, which completely invalidates your post. :|
Your right I don't know. I do know that MS has killed it's first party support...a fact. I know they abandoned pc, a fact. I know that blizzard...ere..cashtivision wants more billions and is eyeing up xbox...fact... MS is loosing money on fixing rrod..fact.. E74 has increased since nxe..fact... They can't compete with the sony exclusives..... Listen to their spokesperson, all he ever does is bash sony, while not saying anything promising for xbox besides vague stuff. Why must he bash? The guy sounds like one of you hardcore lemmings. If he was confident in his product he wouldn't need to bash...he should just spout what is coming for xbox but he can't because there is nothing new really. They mite announce a game or 2 at e3, but i guarantee they are going to mostly have multiplats at e3, as they killed of 1st party. Going by the facts, their past, and current trends, It's easy to speculate that the next xbox will be out soon. I am not saying it will be, just that it may be, as the signs are there showing it.No, that is not a fact, that is your own assumption, which is in and of itself incorrect with Halo 3: ODST and Halo Wars coming out this year, from first and second party developers. And seriously? MS has abandoned the PC? Where do you get this stuff from?
Oh really? I'd like to see you prove that one.
Based on what? An internet poll on one website (joystiq)? Please.
Opinion. And seriously, have you already forgotten the cocky attitude Sony used to have before this generation started? All the Xbox 1.5 claims and what not? The only reason they aren't as cocky anymore is because the Wii and Xbox 360 have been kicking the crap out of them in the marketplace.
I'm not a lemming. :|
Yeah, and did you ever stop to think about why MS killed the original Xbox? They did that because it was a money sink from the day it came out. The Xbox 360 on the other hand, has been profitable thus far so they have no reason to stop supporting it now. Your claims are unfounded. As far as any of us knows, the next Xbox won't come out for another 2 or 3 years. Your source does nothing to prove that a new Xbox is on the way in the near future.
He forgets the PC. PC games are still coming out all the time, and that always gives the consoles something to which to aspire.According to this well-known games industry analyst, there won't be any more new consoles... linky
67gt500
Wow... so many of these posts are filled with immense stupidity...!! .... Especially the ones about Microsoft loosing "billions" of dollars on the 360... thats just amazing to me that some of yall actually believe that. Are yall even gamers, because honestly, some of you guys know absolutely nothing about the video game business.
Or are some of yall like 9 (judging by your vocab/spelling)... OR, are a lot of yall just brand new to a console war?? Missed out on SNES vs. Gen, PSX vs Saturn vs N64, DC vs vs PS2 vs GCN vs Xbox....???
If so, welcome to your first console war- now go educuate yourselves.
Microsoft makes me so very happy. It also makes me happy when Sony customers speculate on how Microsoft might not be doing as well as we can all clearly see. I can't wait for Sony to go the way of Sega... it's coming.
Microsoft makes me so very happy. It also makes me happy when Sony customers speculate on how Microsoft might not be doing as well as we can all clearly see. I can't wait for Sony to go the way of Sega... it's coming.
looknostamp
Any company going bust is a huge loss in the market, we will see a lot of fantastic developers go under, unless they are bought out, which means a loss of great games. It also means less competition, higher prices etc
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1. MS has killed off most of their first party. You are in denial if you think otherwise. They have 2 major 1st party devs - Rare and Lionhead and one that makes lips and stuff... Thats it. They abandoned the pc when they made the 360, the only time they support pc gaming is when they can put out a game from a last gen console on a new os and make that os a requirement ... halo2 for vista..lol..like pc gamers wanted a last gen crap game (crag game compared to pc shooters that is) DX10 failed, Vista failed. They didn't support it, why they want all gamers going on xbox360 why? So they get licensing from every game and subscription fees....they couldn't do this on the pc as it's an open platform and pc gamers would just switch to linux if that happened, pc gamers don't want ms pay to play bs. To put the nail in the coffin even more for ms pc support they killed off the dev teams of their 2 top franchises... Ensemble Studios -- Age of Empires after having them make a mediocre halo rts , and Aces - Flight simulator.... why would they do that? If you are a pc gamer you should feel some major dissapointment and sadness from that. They killed fasa after making them make a stupid 4map multiplayer only shooter- shadowrun, for a franchise that is a table top rpg..it should of been a full fledged rpg, they killed the franchise and the dev and blamed it on the dev...horrible stuff... I loved shadowrun on table top and back in the day on gene and snes...what a shame. So how can you say ms supports pc gaming? What they have a logo on the box? It's just a standard, they don't care because they don't get loot from 3rd party and they killed 1st partyNo, that is not a fact, that is your own assumption, which is in and of itself incorrect with Halo 3: ODST and Halo Wars coming out this year, from first and second party developers. And seriously? MS has abandoned the PC? Where do you get this stuff from?
Oh really? I'd like to see you prove that one.
Based on what? An internet poll on one website (joystiq)? Please.
Opinion. And seriously, have you already forgotten the cocky attitude Sony used to have before this generation started? All the Xbox 1.5 claims and what not? The only reason they aren't as cocky anymore is because the Wii and Xbox 360 have been kicking the crap out of them in the marketplace.
I'm not a lemming. :|
Yeah, and did you ever stop to think about why MS killed the original Xbox? They did that because it was a money sink from the day it came out. The Xbox 360 on the other hand, has been profitable thus far so they have no reason to stop supporting it now. Your claims are unfounded. As far as any of us knows, the next Xbox won't come out for another 2 or 3 years. Your source does nothing to prove that a new Xbox is on the way in the near future.
2.You think they aren't loosing money fixing all those broken consoles? it cost money to fix and to ship does it not. And a loss of face do to having hardware that sucks in quality so much. You can't really think they are making money on rrod...well maybe they are as once the warranty runs out they need to pay for the fix and e74 doesn't have warrenty.. funny how after nxe rrod becomes rrod, so they no longer have to fix for free: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/19/joystiq-survey-xbox-360-e74-errors-on-the-rise-since-nxe/8#c17935680
3.Sony Arrogant, maybe kutargai, but they made up for that by canning him, but he did design good hardware, it just got to his head. Sony has been for their consumers, packing as many features as possible into their console. Making it worth the money. Free to play online, theme creation from users. User created mods from pc games, standard non-proprietary accesories- standard hard-drives you can get a 500gb hd for $100 compared to 120gb for 360, standard bluetooth and usb headsets and webcams, streaming from pc media server, web browser, life of ps/folding at home to kill cancer, free home for social networking, free games , i got syphon filter, high velo bowling, and calling all cars for free. Developers talk with the ps consumers on the system and what is coming out, we are always in the loop do to the ps blog..greatest thing ever for people who like tech and talking with the companies making the games and hardware. The thing is you mostly here sony praising their own products not bashing ms. They may throw a sling at them once in a while but no where near that greenburg guy!
4. Your not? You bash ps3 all the time, and have a 360 char in your sig.. i won't say if you are or not, but you definatly have a 360 preference. And by the way, I was talking about Allen Greenburg not you....hmmm defensive are we I said lemming and you assumed I was talking about you? lol..
5. So it was a money sink...ms has billions of dollars...the richest company in the world. They can't keep it alive for the people who invested in it and put their money toward it? The surley could have, but again all ms ever thinks about is their bottom line. Hell they even fired 1000's of people when they made a profit. They cut out studios and jobs because they mad a few thousand less then projected, but still turned profit...from that it seems they only care about money, not the fans or their employees while sony lost moeny and cut tv factory, froze wages and cut ceo bonuses...leaving playstation devs alive. I am not saying ms shouldn't make money but they have money they can let loose to protect their employees..
I never said the new xbox will definatly come out next year, just said soon, that all signs are pointing to it. It's a prediction not a fact.
i can't wait for the new xbox 360 if it ever comes out...so stop hating u noobz &just get inline :)
[QUOTE="67gt500"]He forgets the PC. PC games are still coming out all the time, and that always gives the consoles something to which to aspire. How many times do you lemmings have to associate ms with the pc. They make the operating system that is all. The do not make the hardware. I build my own pc's so I could stamp my company name on it, and put linux in there...MS woulln't make a dime from me. The thing is MS makes no money on pc games unless 1st party, which they havne't done since halo2, age of empires3, and fflight sim x which all came out in 2005 when Vista came out. Nothing has been made from them for pc games. They take no licensing fee from 3rd party pc games, as they are not the platform makers. No one is. Which is the beauty of the pc. You can do whatever you want with it. Make your own game and sell it without a platform owner getting a cutlAccording to this well-known games industry analyst, there won't be any more new consoles... linky
HuusAsking
You speak about pc games coming out, but the sad thing is that since the360 most have been multiplat and all but crysis, total war, neverwinter nights2, have shown technical superiorty and depth that can't be found on consoles. What makes this sad is it's only a few pc games with the depth and the tech pushing. It's all console ports or games requiring low specs because more people can play them. The tech hasn't improved, it's been in a stagnant state for awile now... when will something top crysis? Doesn't look like anytime soon...it didn't used to be this way. Back before the 360 pc devs were building phenomenal engines and games. Now it's just a few here and there.
I never said the new xbox will definatly come out next year, just said soon, that all signs are pointing to it. It's a prediction not a fact.world69star69
If it's not coming out next year, then the release of the new Xbox is not "soon", completely invalidating your own thread. And everything about your posts have been about stating your opinions and "predictions" as fact. Don't try to play inoccent now.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="67gt500"]He forgets the PC. PC games are still coming out all the time, and that always gives the consoles something to which to aspire. How many times do you lemmings have to associate ms with the pc. They make the operating system that is all. The do not make the hardware. I build my own pc's so I could stamp my company name on it, and put linux in there...MS woulln't make a dime from me. The thing is MS makes no money on pc games unless 1st party, which they havne't done since halo2, age of empires3, and fflight sim x which all came out in 2005 when Vista came out. Nothing has been made from them for pc games. They take no licensing fee from 3rd party pc games, as they are not the platform makers. No one is. Which is the beauty of the pc. You can do whatever you want with it. Make your own game and sell it without a platform owner getting a cutlAccording to this well-known games industry analyst, there won't be any more new consoles... linky
world69star69
You speak about pc games coming out, but the sad thing is that since the360 most have been multiplat and all but crysis, total war, neverwinter nights2, have shown technical superiorty and depth that can't be found on consoles. What makes this sad is it's only a few pc games with the depth and the tech pushing. It's all console ports or games requiring low specs because more people can play them. The tech hasn't improved, it's been in a stagnant state for awile now... when will something top crysis? Doesn't look like anytime soon...it didn't used to be this way. Back before the 360 pc devs were building phenomenal engines and games. Now it's just a few here and there.Can you play Crysis acceptably on Linux? What about Fallout 3? The latest WoW expansions? Unless you can prove yes to all three, Linux and gaming aren't going anywhere soon. Which means Microsoft has a captive PC audience (you game on PC, you need Windows--no other choice).
Are you serious? they trying to expand the market.Are you lemmings wondering why your not seeing much from the xbox scene? Well aparntly there is a new xbox in developement, and blizzards rob pardo is in talks with ms getting world of warcraft on it... How greedy is blizzard, or activision? So much for them being pc only. Here is the link:
http://video.ign.com/dor/articles/965543/ign-daily-fix-/videos/thefix_spc_032609.html
Guess ms is going to launch a new xbox in the recession. And it happens again...they release a new console early whille killing off the 360 support. History repeats itself. Now the real question is have you lems learned your lesson?
Lets see how many people will buy another console as they killoff this one, before a gen is over....with bad hardware. Will lems fall for this crap again?
Probably... I sure won't! Wow on xbox...hmpp its what happens when activision becomes in charge of blizzard.
world69star69
1. MS has killed off most of their first party. You are in denial if you think otherwise. They have 2 major 1st party devs - Rare and Lionhead and one that makes lips and stuff... Thats it. They abandoned the pc when they made the 360, the only time they support pc gaming is when they can put out a game from a last gen console on a new os and make that os a requirement ... halo2 for vista..lol..like pc gamers wanted a last gen crap game (crag game compared to pc shooters that is) DX10 failed, Vista failed. They didn't support it, why they want all gamers going on xbox360 why? So they get licensing from every game and subscription fees....they couldn't do this on the pc as it's an open platform and pc gamers would just switch to linux if that happened, pc gamers don't want ms pay to play bs. To put the nail in the coffin even more for ms pc support they killed off the dev teams of their 2 top franchises... Ensemble Studios -- Age of Empires after having them make a mediocre halo rts , and Aces - Flight simulator.... why would they do that? If you are a pc gamer you should feel some major dissapointment and sadness from that. They killed fasa after making them make a stupid 4map multiplayer only shooter- shadowrun, for a franchise that is a table top rpg..it should of been a full fledged rpg, they killed the franchise and the dev and blamed it on the dev...horrible stuff... I loved shadowrun on table top and back in the day on gene and snes...what a shame. So how can you say ms supports pc gaming? What they have a logo on the box? It's just a standard, they don't care because they don't get loot from 3rd party and they killed 1st party
Ah, I see you've re-worded your earlier statements. Saying MS killed their first party (which is what you originally said) and killed most of their first party are two very different things. MS still has plenty of other studios under its belt and more still working for them as second party developers, such as Mistwalker and Bungie.
Seriously? Gamers will just switch to linux? Do you honestly think games run as well under linux as they do Vista or XP? Yeah, I'd very much like to see you prove that one.
Microsoft supports the Xbox 360 more than it does the PC because that's where the money is for them. Why do you think Sony hasn't really ventured into the PC space aside from SOE? Microsoft knows that if they market a game well enough on the 360, it will most likely sell well enough to make a nice profit. Every console maker charges licensing fees and every one has their own ways of generating revenue to supplement that. You're acting like they're the only ones who charge licensing fees.
Microsoft killed FASA because Shadowrun performed poorly. Shadowrun was a disappointment critically and commercially. Shadowrun featured much more than 4 maps Oh, and where are you getting this whole "MS forced FASA to make Shadowrun" line from? Seriously dude, if you're going to bash MS for something, you need to get your facts straight first...
I am not a PC gamer (yet), so the loss of Flight Simulator (really? You think PC gamers are going to be truly sad about that?)
Halo Wars was far from mediocre. It is currently ranked at an 82 on metacritic. Yes, it scored low here, I'm not going to refute that. Generally, games that are ranked at an 82 overall from several sources are not mediocre.
2.You think they aren't loosing money fixing all those broken consoles? it cost money to fix and to ship does it not. And a loss of face do to having hardware that sucks in quality so much. You can't really think they are making money on rrod...well maybe they are as once the warranty runs out they need to pay for the fix and e74 doesn't have warrenty.. funny how after nxe rrod becomes rrod, so they no longer have to fix for free: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/03/19/joystiq-survey-xbox-360-e74-errors-on-the-rise-since-nxe/8#c17935680I didn't say they were making money on the RROD. I also didn't say that it doesn't cost them any money to fix. :| I said that the Xbox 360 and the Xbox division as a whole has been profitable for MS, and that's a fact.
The E74 is covered under the one year warranty that MS still offers on every new console. Oh and here's a tip. If you call MS and tell them your system has the RROD, they'll fix it for free, no matter what the problem is, as long as your system is still under the 3 year warranty.
3.Sony Arrogant, maybe kutargai, but they made up for that by canning him, but he did design good hardware, it just got to his head. Sony has been for their consumers, packing as many features as possible into their console. Making it worth the money. Free to play online, theme creation from users. User created mods from pc games, standard non-proprietary accesories- standard hard-drives you can get a 500gb hd for $100 compared to 120gb for 360, standard bluetooth and usb headsets and webcams, streaming from pc media server, web browser, life of ps/folding at home to kill cancer, free home for social networking, free games , i got syphon filter, high velo bowling, and calling all cars for free. Developers talk with the ps consumers on the system and what is coming out, we are always in the loop do to the ps blog..greatest thing ever for people who like tech and talking with the companies making the games and hardware. The thing is you mostly here sony praising their own products not bashing ms. They may throw a sling at them once in a while but no where near that greenburg guy!I'm guessing you've never heard of Jack Tretton (the I'll give you $1200 if you can find a PS3 on NA shelves guy),saying such things as the "PS3 is still dominant" in light of the fact that they have been fighting a losing battle against the Wii and 360 in the marketplace.
Greenburg is arrogant, I'll give you that one, but please, don't pretend like Sony is some sort of saint here. As I said, the only reason they're not arrogant right now is because they can't be, not because they've turned over a new leaf.
4. Your not? You bash ps3 all the time, and have a 360 char in your sig.. i won't say if you are or not, but you definatly have a 360 preference. And by the way, I was talking about Allen Greenburg not you....hmmm defensive are we I said lemming and you assumed I was talking about you? lol..
No, I'm not. Joanna Dark (the girl in my avatar and sig) is a character that originated on the Nintendo 64 and starred in my favorite game of all time, Perfect Dark (N64). It has nothing to do with the 360.I do not bash the Playstation 3. All I've done in this thread and on this forum in general is defend the 360 from the likes of you. You are doing the bashing here. I haven't said a bad thing about the PS3 yet. I own one and enjoy it; I have no reason to bash it. And yes, I do have a strong preference toward the 360. I've never stated otherwise. But having said preference does not mean I automatically hate the Wii (which I also own) or the PS3.
Defensive? Yeah, I definitely wouldn't have a reason to say that when you said, and I quote: "The guy sounds like one of you hardcore lemmings." Perhaps I'm mistaken but the last time I checked, the phrase "one of you" would imply that I am a member of said group would it not? Yes, I was being defensive, but only because you made a false statement about me.
5. So it was a money sink...ms has billions of dollars...the richest company in the world. They can't keep it alive for the people who invested in it and put their money toward it? The surley could have, but again all ms ever thinks about is their bottom line. Hell they even fired 1000's of people when they made a profit. They cut out studios and jobs because they mad a few thousand less then projected, but still turned profit...from that it seems they only care about money, not the fans or their employees while sony lost moeny and cut tv factory, froze wages and cut ceo bonuses...leaving playstation devs alive. I am not saying ms shouldn't make money but they have money they can let loose to protect their employees..I'm sorry, I don't care how rich you are but if aa product has lost your company over 4 billion dollars over the period of four years, the wise thing to do would be to cut it off.
And please dude, spare me the "all MS cares about is their bottom line" crap because that's what all companies care about. The reason Sony hasn't cut the price on the PS3 and continue to try to justify its relatively high price is because they simply cannot afford to. They have already lost billions of dollars supporting it over the years (whichobliterated the profit they made from the PS2 as well, fyi) and they can't afford to push themselves further into the red by cutting the price. This is a fact. I can guarantee you; Sony doesn't care about you or I any more than MS does. All companies are in it for the money. The sooner you realize this, the happier you'll be.
The poor state of the economy is taking its toll on everyone dude, and yes, that includes Sony's Playstation division.
I never said the new xbox will definatly come out next year, just said soon, that all signs are pointing to it. It's a prediction not a fact.If the release of the new Xbox isn't going to happen within the next year, then it's not "soon". I can guarantee you there will not be a new Xbox released until 2011 or 2012 and also, since the Xbox 360 has been profitable thus far, I can also guarantee that they will not immediately cut off support for the 360 when the new Xbox is released, whenever that may be.
world69star69
It must be the SLIM Xbox360. :P
I can't wait to play Halo 4!
key board maybe?WoW would suck on a console. There isn't enough buttons for all your attacks.
SeanDiff
I may upset a few loyal 360 fans but I reckon MS should pack-up and get the heck out of the games industry :D I dont think I will every resepct them like I have respect for Sega, Nintendo and Sony.Swift_Boss_AIs this like suprising? you've made this evident for a long time now its not like you were some vocal microsoft support EVER.
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