Kojima is the epitome of delusional

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[QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]leave it to the mods at GS to keep a Kojima hate thread going on. if this was about bungie or halo hate, it would have been closed long time ago. Kojima is the Master, haters need to get over it.Jag85

and to the people saying "haters" you're basically coming off as. "I cant think of anything to say to shoot down your argument" you're out of ideas, that you'd like nothing more than to undermine the opposition but have precisely zero tools to fight with. its all what you guys can come up with nothing more than a weak attempt at a snappy rebuttla thats transparent as hell.

This thread is not simply about Kojima's need for an editor (or better translator), which would be a decent topic of discussion, but most of the posts are clearly about how much Kojima sucks, with very few actually putting forth any coherent arguments to explain why.

And this is a pretty pointless thread. There's already a thread about Kojima and Crysis, and yet the topic starter felt the need to create another thread about this exact same topic just to vent some frustration with incoherent babble. I don't have an issue with haters, but only with those who take their hatred a bit too far with incoherent arguments and attempts to pass off their opinions as if they were fact when they're clearly not, so I don't blame those guys for making fun of haters.

[QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]leave it to the mods at GS to keep a Kojima hate thread going on. if this was about bungie or halo hate, it would have been closed long time ago. Kojima is the Master, haters need to get over it.Deadbeatcobra

and to the people saying "haters" you're basically coming off as. "I cant think of anything to say to shoot down your argument" you're out of ideas, that you'd like nothing more than to undermine the opposition but have precisely zero tools to fight with. its all what you guys can come up with nothing more than a weak attempt at a snappy rebuttla thats transparent as hell.

All the haters keep saying is MGS has a dumb story, its convoluted, its ridiculous, its boring, its this its that, but they dont provide any examples whatsoever. I agree that mgs4 was a bit ridiculous at times but the other 3 games stories were superb in everyway.Androvinus

Dear absent minded gamespot users:

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is an awe-inspiring synthesis of dramatic storytelling and entertaining gameplay."

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other. It's likely you will emerge awestruck from your first play-through, wishing the experience would continue yet nonetheless satisfied with its conclusion. It's difficult not to sound hyperbolic when discussing MGS4 because every part of its design seemingly fulfills its vision, without compromise. There is no halfway."

So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

Mozelleple112

Dear God, you really need to read a book.

Here is a start

So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

Mozelleple112

Presenting another man's opinions as a way to somehow belittle ours doesn't work because, you know, it's just another man's opinions. I also like the irony of your last sentence.

From what i've played he's not bad. His greatest flaw is that he is japanese. You either like the way japanese people like to direct and tell their stories in a popular media or you don't. My feeling is that he can't let go of the tiny things and manerisms (aka all the ****) that makes a regular anime story for the sake of a more serious and cohese plot.

Dear absent minded gamespot users:

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is an awe-inspiring synthesis of dramatic storytelling and entertaining gameplay."

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other. It's likely you will emerge awestruck from your first play-through, wishing the experience would continue yet nonetheless satisfied with its conclusion. It's difficult not to sound hyperbolic when discussing MGS4 because every part of its design seemingly fulfills its vision, without compromise. There is no halfway."

So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

Mozelleple112

So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

Mozelleple112

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Dear absent minded gamespot users:

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is an awe-inspiring synthesis of dramatic storytelling and entertaining gameplay."

"Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is the most technically stunning video game ever made. It's also a fine example of storytelling prowess within its medium, combining gameplay and narrative so slickly and beautifully that it's impossible to extricate one from the other. It's likely you will emerge awestruck from your first play-through, wishing the experience would continue yet nonetheless satisfied with its conclusion. It's difficult not to sound hyperbolic when discussing MGS4 because every part of its design seemingly fulfills its vision, without compromise. There is no halfway."

So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

AncientDozer

Dear God, you really need to read a book.

Here is a start

You'd think Hideo Kojima was the David Lynch of gaming.
In my opinion he is more the James Cameron or M. Night Shyamalan of games.

And as far as the story and characters in most games go, I'll leave you with this line from Jeff Foxworthy:
If an episode of Walker, Texas Ranger changed your life, you might be a redneck.

And as far as the story and characters in most games go, I'll leave you with this line from Jeff Foxworthy:
If an episode of Walker, Texas Ranger changed your life, you might be a redneck.

SDsnatcher

I lol'd so hard

a likely story, lol.

HailCaesarHail

Perhaps he simply doesn't like the story. I've played through every MGS. While I enjoyed the games a lot, I find the storylines to be quite silly and convoluted. People are allowed to have their opinions.

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Kojima may be delusional... but he makes great games.

Think about it, other than graphics, no one ever talks about crysis. As a game, it is not memorable. A lot of people may think MGS is too weird, but they are also incredible games, with some of the most memorable gaming moments in vg history.

KHAndAnime

Nobody talks about that either :P

Strip Crysis of its graphics... wonder if it will get the praise.

You'd think Hideo Kojima was the David Lynch of gaming.
In my opinion he is more the James Cameron or M. Night Shyamalan of games.

And as far as the story and characters in most games go, I'll leave you with this line from Jeff Foxworthy:
If an episode of Walker, Texas Ranger changed your life, you might be a redneck.

SDsnatcher

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So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

VGobbsesser

Presenting another man's opinions as a way to somehow belittle ours doesn't work because, you know, it's just another man's opinions. I also like the irony of your last sentence.

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So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

UC3Drake

This is SW. All we do most of the time is shove our opinions in other people's faces. Heck, this thread is all about shoving opinions.

the guy is a genius and can say anything he wants to.

he may be sheening his friggin head off but i don't care.

i would like to see his next game not be broken by having a one shot kill tranq gun in the first second of the game though.

MGS' story BLOWS. If you're playing it for the character development or political conundrum, you're doing it wrong. The game itself and the great gameplay don't get shadowed by the cheesy lines, storytelling and characters, so it's still a great experience, but it's definitely not something I'm playing for the story. That was something pretty obvious since the first game, and that has only aggravated since then.

i hated the MGS storyline, i do however enjoy games with a lot of history in them, like assassins creed. i enjoy the hell out of it, even though the endings are super wierd. i just enjoy the history.

taterfrickintot

I don't see how people find it difficult to follow the story, it's not hard. bleehum

^^ This. God forbid you have to think a little in this day and age. Sure, there are plot-holes in his work, but name a game that has 8 sequels that DOESN'T have a plot-hole here or there...

Heck, Final Fantasy can't seem to handle continuing a single story, which is why they made a whole new game with each one created.

Yeah bro I'm just mad. This thread is like a class room full of third graders. HURR DURR Isaac Newton was a and herp a derp James Watt was stupid. Point is, Kojima said Crysis was a great game, which it is. He also said the story was generic/bad. Which it is, and almost anyone will agree to that. FACT. Kojima is also known a video game genius, one of the most highly appreciated directors in the gaming industry, famous for his storytelling, editing, cinematics and bizarre humour, although accepted as normal for being Japanese. FACT. Every journalist (and any gamer that's not a raging ADD child on Ritalin) INCLUDING Gamespot themselves, will say Metal Gear Solid 4 has one of the stories this gen/all time/that year. So go ahead and enjoy your mediocre mass effect stories and inferior games if thats what you like I feel sorry for those of you not being able to notice a conspicuous masterpiece like MGS4.Mozelleple112

I don't get mad wen people criticize one of my GOAT games like for example Deus ex, or whatever. A game can't please all, be it it's story or gameplay. You just gotta aknowledge that your favorite game, is going to be someone's most disliked game. That goes for all games. It's common fact.

That don't mean it's going to ruin what you feel for the game, or how much you enjoy it. Isn't what you experience the only thing that matters? What i experience is the only thing that matters for me.

I don't get why you give a **** what other people think regarding your favorite games. I dunno why some get mad over it.

Yeah bro I'm just mad. This thread is like a class room full of third graders. HURR DURR Isaac Newton was a and herp a derp James Watt was stupid. Point is, Kojima said Crysis was a great game, which it is. He also said the story was generic/bad. Which it is, and almost anyone will agree to that. FACT. Kojima is also known a video game genius, one of the most highly appreciated directors in the gaming industry, famous for his storytelling, editing, cinematics and bizarre humour, although accepted as normal for being Japanese. FACT. Every journalist (and any gamer that's not a raging ADD child on Ritalin) INCLUDING Gamespot themselves, will say Metal Gear Solid 4 has one of the stories this gen/all time/that year. So go ahead and enjoy your mediocre mass effect stories and inferior games if thats what you like I feel sorry for those of you not being able to notice a conspicuous masterpiece like MGS4.Mozelleple112

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So you can stop with your worthless opinions that no one cares about. Seriously. No one would ask a blind man to decide which of Picasso's paintings are more beautiful. No musician would ask a deaf mute to compare Mozart with Bach. No mathamatician would discuss pi with a monkey. No one would take SW opinion on MGS4/Kojima's storytelling.

Mozelleple112

Presenting another man's opinions as a way to somehow belittle ours doesn't work because, you know, it's just another man's opinions. I also like the irony of your last sentence.

Repeating myself, read a book.

Ah, I can see that he definitely tried, but all the expressions in the world can't save him for being a bad writer.tagyhag

...In your opinion, which most gaming critics (including GameSpot itself) obviously disagree with. No amount of fan criticism will change the fact that Kojima is one of the most critically acclaimed storytellers in the gaming industry. There's nothing "good" or "bad" about any particular sty1e of writing, but there's no denying that Kojima's postmodernist sty1e is unique in the gaming industry.

Here is one of the examples of Kojima's ridiculousness: li la le lo lu? (or however you pronounce it) That was the most absurd plot element to incorporate into a story. It made zero sense and added absolutely nothing to the story or gameplay. It only made things more convoluted.

suitmypants

That's a bad example, since it's an issue with the translation, not Kojima's writing. The meaning behind the name "la li le lo lu" would be obvious to a Japanese speaker (you can find a good explanation for it at TV Tropes), but would only sound like meaningless babble to an English speaker. Again, you cannot judge Kojima's writing based on the translated English dialogues, as much of the underlying subtext of his original Japanese script was lost in translation, as is always the case when translating between different languages and cultures.

Lol, tell me, wtf is Crysis? MGS pwns most games stories out there. U jus Mad :D

MGS is easy to understand (...)

PcGamingRig

Up to this point I still have no clue wtf happened in MGS 2 when they release they're in a game oO But that aside, I guess I understood most of the story, so I kinda agree