Kojima is the epitome of delusional

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]

obviously you didnt play mgs 3 , so stop lying. not solid snake but naked snake. now go away.

Zero_epyon

Because this thread is about Kojima failing as a story teller and I concur. If a person finds the story so boring that he spams X to skip it, then clearly it is a sign of failed story telling. Hell, Diablo had much much much less dialouge, but its story was far more intriguing.

I did actually, if I don't remember the stupid story and confuse one snake with another than forgive me, I don't pay attention to soap operas either and they got similar story lines. I don't think I'm alone and reading this thread I can confirm that there are other people that find the story telling confusing. Me? I stopped giving a rats behind and didn't bother with MSG 4. m25105

Well ofcourse there are. Be it story, gameplay or visuals, there is no such thing as a universal appealing game. It's only natural for a good number of people to not like the story, or anything els from the franchise.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="m25105"] I did actually, if I don't remember the stupid story and confuse one snake with another than forgive me, I don't pay attention to soap operas either and they got similar story lines. I don't think I'm alone and reading this thread I can confirm that there are other people that find the story telling confusing. Me? I stopped giving a rats behind and didn't bother with MSG 4. m25105

Because this thread is about Kojima failing as a story teller and I concur. If a person finds the story so boring that he spams X to skip it, then clearly it is a sign of failed story telling. Hell, Diablo had much much much less dialouge, but its story was far more intriguing.

[QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Kojima is a boring story teller, I grew bored very fast in MGS 2 on the PS2 with that Raiden guy. Hell I stopped paying attention when they started talking about the lalelulala something. I gave MGS 3 a chance cause it was Solid Snake, but again the boring preachy storing telling just distracted me. I found myself spamming the X button in order to skip cut scenes. You are wrong if you think he's a good storyteller and maybe you should also try reading a book.

m25105

obviously you didnt play mgs 3 , so stop lying. not solid snake but naked snake. now go away.

a likely story, lol.

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Then why are you in a thread that's comparing stories if you skipped through one of them? Zero_epyon

Because this thread is about Kojima failing as a story teller and I concur. If a person finds the story so boring that he spams X to skip it, then clearly it is a sign of failed story telling. Hell, Diablo had much much much less dialouge, but its story was far more intriguing.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]

obviously you didnt play mgs 3 , so stop lying. not solid snake but naked snake. now go away.

HailCaesarHail

a likely story, lol.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Kojima is a boring story teller, I grew bored very fast in MGS 2 on the PS2 with that Raiden guy. Hell I stopped paying attention when they started talking about the lalelulala something. I gave MGS 3 a chance cause it was Solid Snake, but again the boring preachy storing telling just distracted me. I found myself spamming the X button in order to skip cut scenes. You are wrong if you think he's a good storyteller and maybe you should also try reading a book.

m25105

MGS3 was not Solid Snake lol.

You sir, are the one mistaken.

[QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] I did actually, if I don't remember the stupid story and confuse one snake with another than forgive me, I don't pay attention to soap operas either and they got similar story lines. I don't think I'm alone and reading this thread I can confirm that there are other people that find the story telling confusing. Me? I stopped giving a rats behind and didn't bother with MSG 4. m25105

a likely story, lol.

I can't believe people are still mad that MGS4 scored a 10, especially pc gamers. This was pretty evident in the recent thread about Kojima's comments towards Crysis. Hermits were on that thread like flys on ****. Yeah, MGS4's story isn't the best out there, but it's better than most games released today, that's for sure.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Because this thread is about Kojima failing as a story teller and I concur. If a person finds the story so boring that he spams X to skip it, then clearly it is a sign of failed story telling. Hell, Diablo had much much much less dialouge, but its story was far more intriguing.

m25105

umad? Not everyone can be an expert at storytelling and make lots of money like Kojima. MGS has some of the best storytelling out of all mediums of entertainment, anyone who has played MGS3 knows this.

[QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] I did actually, if I don't remember the stupid story and confuse one snake with another than forgive me, I don't pay attention to soap operas either and they got similar story lines. I don't think I'm alone and reading this thread I can confirm that there are other people that find the story telling confusing. Me? I stopped giving a rats behind and didn't bother with MSG 4. m25105

a likely story, lol.

an expected comment aswell, you are butthurt get over it. lol.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]

a likely story, lol.

BedBugMan

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]

a likely story, lol.

HailCaesarHail

an expected comment aswell, you are butthurt get over it. lol.

umad? Not everyone can be an expert at storytelling and make lots of money like Kojima. MGS has some of the best storytelling out of all mediums of entertainment, anyone who has played MGS3 knows this.

StealthMonkey4

I can't believe people are still mad that MGS4 scored a 10, especially pc gamers. This was pretty evident in the recent thread about Kojima's comments towards Crysis. Hermits were on that thread like flys on ****. Yeah, MGS4's story isn't the best out there, but it's better than most games released today, that's for sure.

RawDeal_basic

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

I can't believe people are still mad that MGS4 scored a 10, especially pc gamers. This was pretty evident in the recent thread about Kojima's comments towards Crysis. Hermits were on that thread like flys on ****. Yeah, MGS4's story isn't the best out there, but it's better than most games released today, that's for sure.

suitmypants

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

umad? Not everyone can be an expert at storytelling and make lots of money like Kojima. MGS has some of the best storytelling out of all mediums of entertainment, anyone who has played MGS3 knows this.

BedBugMan

[QUOTE="BedBugMan"][QUOTE="m25105"] I'll go cry myself to sleep because some guy on the internet doesn't believe I didn't play MGS 3.Chutebox

this thread has nothing to do with MGS4 scoring a 10. It's how Kojima is a terrible story writer and how he is critiquing another company for making horrible story lines. For all I can say, the only person who has the right to critique anyone in story is Alex Garland. (but this is debatable but not in this debate)

suitmypants

Lmao at the irony. It's Kojima's opinion, just as it's your and number of other people's opinion that Kojima is a terrible writter. Simple as that..

[QUOTE="suitmypants"]

[QUOTE="RawDeal_basic"]

I can't believe people are still mad that MGS4 scored a 10, especially pc gamers. This was pretty evident in the recent thread about Kojima's comments towards Crysis. Hermits were on that thread like flys on ****. Yeah, MGS4's story isn't the best out there, but it's better than most games released today, that's for sure.

Chutebox

Its not that MGS is convoluted or complex; its that the dialog is just terrible.

"Tell her I cooked them right" I'm sorry is the whole egg subplot supposed to be emotional or poignant? Instead it was so bad I wanted to kill myself.

Then you have the worst ending in gaming history with an hour long boring conversation.

I didn't think it was possible but Kojima is worse than George Lucas at writing dialog.

Whats worse than the terrible writing in MGS4 is the fact that there are people out there that actually think its good. Its a sad sad statement about gamers.

[QUOTE="suitmypants"] this thread has nothing to do with MGS4 scoring a 10. It's how Kojima is a terrible story writer and how he is critiquing another company for making horrible story lines. For all I can say, the only person who has the right to critique anyone in story is Alex Garland. (but this is debatable but not in this debate)

Its not that MGS is convoluted or complex; its that the dialog is just terrible.

"Tell her I cooked them right" I'm sorry is the whole egg subplot supposed to be emotional or poignant? Instead it was so bad I wanted to kill myself.

Then you have the worst ending in gaming history with an hour long boring conversation.

I didn't think it was possible but Kojima is worse than George Lucas at writing dialog.

Whats worse than the terrible writing in MGS4 is the fact that there are people out there that actually think its good. Its a sad sad statement about gamers.

Its not that MGS is convoluted or complex; its that the dialog is just terrible.

"Tell her I cooked them right" I'm sorry is the whole egg subplot supposed to be emotional or poignant? Instead it was so bad I wanted to kill myself.

Then you have the worst ending in gaming history with an hour long boring conversation.

I didn't think it was possible but Kojima is worse than George Lucas at writing dialog.

Whats worse than the terrible writing in MGS4 is the fact that there are people out there that actually think its good. Its a sad sad statement about gamers.

Mr_Ditters

Isn't the original titles in japanese though? Dubs generaly suck, regarding any medium, or language. That'll probably explain the bad dub english writting.

SO you don't like deep intricate stories, fine. If you enjoy the popcorn straight forward Hollywood storytelling that is fine. But don't talk as if telling a story that requires some effort from the reader as something bad. trasherhead

Edit: Or play Grim Fandango.

[QUOTE="BedBugMan"][QUOTE="m25105"] I'll go cry myself to sleep because some guy on the internet doesn't believe I didn't play MGS 3.Chutebox

In a game about cloned super soldiers,mad sentient arms, huge super-robots, vampires, government conspiracies about conspiracies, is it that hard to believe a guy can look the same through the decades?

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]SO you don't like deep intricate stories, fine. If you enjoy the popcorn straight forward Hollywood storytelling that is fine. But don't talk as if telling a story that requires some effort from the reader as something bad. m25105

Edit: Or play Grim Fandango.

Don't forget about Deus Ex, Xenogears and Planescape Torment. Greatest stories ever told.

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]SO you don't like deep intricate stories, fine. If you enjoy the popcorn straight forward Hollywood storytelling that is fine. But don't talk as if telling a story that requires some effort from the reader as something bad. m25105

Edit: Or play Grim Fandango.

Im am curious to what some people think is good writing in a video game? can you all please tell what great game story you think is better than MGS? and to the fella that said George Lucas is bad that is blasphemy, curse you! lol.HailCaesarHail

[QUOTE="m25105"]

[QUOTE="trasherhead"]SO you don't like deep intricate stories, fine. If you enjoy the popcorn straight forward Hollywood storytelling that is fine. But don't talk as if telling a story that requires some effort from the reader as something bad. Lucianu

Edit: Or play Grim Fandango.

Don't forget about Deus Ex, Xenogears and Planescape Torment. Greatest stories ever told.

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

Its not that MGS is convoluted or complex; its that the dialog is just terrible.

"Tell her I cooked them right" I'm sorry is the whole egg subplot supposed to be emotional or poignant? Instead it was so bad I wanted to kill myself.

Then you have the worst ending in gaming history with an hour long boring conversation.

I didn't think it was possible but Kojima is worse than George Lucas at writing dialog.

Whats worse than the terrible writing in MGS4 is the fact that there are people out there that actually think its good. Its a sad sad statement about gamers.

Indie_Hitman

No dialog is just the worst part. I don't think that Kojima can fall back on the translation excuse. If you just take a rough outline of the story, its still bad, e.g. all of the egg nonsense, the wedding, the interruptions in the flow of the story for a 30 minute lecture about why a supermodel turned evil, the crapping of pants...etc.

There are plenty of Japanese games and movies out there that do just fine in spite of being translated. Enough of the real MGS4 makes it through into English to realize that it sucks in Japanese too.

Is there anyone with a proper translation of what Kojima actually said? I read that article through Google Translate, and I didn't really understand what he was trying to say.

Either way, anyone who plays Crysis for the storyline is doing it wrong. It is a masterpiece in terms of bothtechnology and game design. I'm more than happy to take its crappy story for granted.

Never really played Metal Gear Solid, so I can't comment on Kojima's writing skills.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="m25105"]

Because this thread is about Kojima failing as a story teller and I concur. If a person finds the story so boring that he spams X to skip it, then clearly it is a sign of failed story telling. Hell, Diablo had much much much less dialouge, but its story was far more intriguing.

m25105

MGS has a rather inane story to begin with, I agree with TC and Kojima's overly pretentious storytelling.

kojima is the master of storytelling, i feel sorry for people to stupid to follow MGS.HailCaesarHail

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Now is it boring because of the story or boring because you're lost and don't know what's going on? I started at MGS 2 and got lost half way. I looked up the story line for MGS1 and it all made sense afterwards. All other games fell into place and MGS 4 tied everything together perfectly. And again, how can you tell if storytelling is bad when you're skipping the story?Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Because a good story teller lets you know what happens previously. Hmmm let's see I think I played MGS the first one on the PC. That was after I played MGS 2 on the PS2. To his credit, the story telling in MGS was actually good and I paid attention to it. MGS was the one in that ehmm snowy place with that big native american guy who had a crow fetish, right? MGS 2, I hated it very fast. That Raiden guy was very annoying and when they started talking about that laleluala/whatever I just stopped caring. In MGS 3 I saw the cover and saw it was Snake (yes yes, not the same snake, but whatever, he had a beard and looked the exact same way as Solid Snake). So I bought it, to my regret and hoped I was in for something better than MGS 2. At first it seemed cool, running about in Jungles eating snakes. Then ofc.... cut scenes... and more cut scenes. And in the end. I didn't even bother completing it (something I did with MGS and MGS 2). m25105

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="m25105"] Because a good story teller lets you know what happens previously. Hmmm let's see I think I played MGS the first one on the PC. That was after I played MGS 2 on the PS2. To his credit, the story telling in MGS was actually good and I paid attention to it. MGS was the one in that ehmm snowy place with that big native american guy who had a crow fetish, right? MGS 2, I hated it very fast. That Raiden guy was very annoying and when they started talking about that laleluala/whatever I just stopped caring. In MGS 3 I saw the cover and saw it was Snake (yes yes, not the same snake, but whatever, he had a beard and looked the exact same way as Solid Snake). So I bought it, to my regret and hoped I was in for something better than MGS 2. At first it seemed cool, running about in Jungles eating snakes. Then ofc.... cut scenes... and more cut scenes. And in the end. I didn't even bother completing it (something I did with MGS and MGS 2). m25105

Kojima thinks video games are not art.

Im am curious to what some people think is good writing in a video game? can you all please tell what great game story you think is better than MGS? and to the fella that said George Lucas is bad that is blasphemy, curse you! lol.HailCaesarHail

Im am curious to what some people think is good writing in a video game? can you all please tell what great game story you think is better than MGS? and to the fella that said George Lucas is bad that is blasphemy, curse you! lol.HailCaesarHail

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] MGS 2 does explain some events of MGS1, and in fact *spoliers*, repeats repeats those events in a different setting for the new character. Then it's explained why those events took place at the end. Then Kojima makes a 3rd game explaining the origins of the story and character, only to wrap it up in part 4. I think the problem people have is that they expect the story to be like every other story, beginning, middle, cliffhanger, then recap in the sequel. Since MGS isn't like this it makes the average gamer confused because the structure is different. Therefore, they get lost and lose interest in what's going on. That is not poor story telling, that is a person who adapts poorly to change.

BigBoss154

Kojima thinks video games are not art.

[QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]Im am curious to what some people think is good writing in a video game? can you all please tell what great game story you think is better than MGS? and to the fella that said George Lucas is bad that is blasphemy, curse you! lol.suitmypants

Im am curious to what some people think is good writing in a video game? can you all please tell what great game story you think is better than MGS? and to the fella that said George Lucas is bad that is blasphemy, curse you! lol.HailCaesarHail

Its not that MGS is convoluted or complex; its that the dialog is just terrible.

"Tell her I cooked them right" I'm sorry is the whole egg subplot supposed to be emotional or poignant? Instead it was so bad I wanted to kill myself.

Then you have the worst ending in gaming history with an hour long boring conversation.

I didn't think it was possible but Kojima is worse than George Lucas at writing dialog.

Whats worse than the terrible writing in MGS4 is the fact that there are people out there that actually think its good. Its a sad sad statement about gamers.

Mr_Ditters

[QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"]Im am curious to what some people think is good writing in a video game? can you all please tell what great game story you think is better than MGS? and to the fella that said George Lucas is bad that is blasphemy, curse you! lol.suitmypants

Im am curious to what some people think is good writing in a video game? can you all please tell what great game story you think is better than MGS? and to the fella that said George Lucas is bad that is blasphemy, curse you! lol.HailCaesarHail

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="BedBugMan"] In this guy's defense, just because he wasnt sure about Naked Snake vs Solid Snake, doesnt mean he didnt play MGS3. Just means he didnt care enough about the story for it to be rememberable. I've played every MGS and I've beaten all of them but 3, and even I couldnt tell you all the characters and their involvement and the yada, yada. The story became overly complicated... the games would have been better if they had summed up the story in the games cutscenes, and left out the heavy detail for a book or something... or the player manual... or something. Basically there was a better way to tell that story than to make players suffer through 20 minute cutscene narratives. -Snooze-

In a game about cloned super soldiers,mad sentient arms, huge super-robots, vampires, government conspiracies about conspiracies, is it that hard to believe a guy can look the same through the decades?

[QUOTE="suitmypants"][QUOTE="HailCaesarHail"] ohh another mafia story, how original.HailCaesarHail

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

Its not that MGS is convoluted or complex; its that the dialog is just terrible.

"Tell her I cooked them right" I'm sorry is the whole egg subplot supposed to be emotional or poignant? Instead it was so bad I wanted to kill myself.

Then you have the worst ending in gaming history with an hour long boring conversation.

I didn't think it was possible but Kojima is worse than George Lucas at writing dialog.

Whats worse than the terrible writing in MGS4 is the fact that there are people out there that actually think its good. Its a sad sad statement about gamers.

babyeatermax

When I saw the yolk break I though Oh crap, bad stuff is about to go down.