Killzone 2.. More hardcore and far superior compared to MW2

I dont get where people are saying the multiplayer is dead for Killzone 2.. its very much alive with a lot of people constantly playing no matter what time of the day it is i see tons of games avaliable and a lot of them hard to get into because they are already full.. set the servers to worldwide and you will notice ton of people playing, i play it everyday.

Mycow-annoyance meter is going up again.

First reason: their psuedo-hardcore posturing about a pretty derivative FPS (though a great one)is just hilarious. You think the game was avant-garde or something. :roll: I say to these folks: You're playing a standard FPS on the 3rd installement of a console aimed at the general casualpublic. You're not hardcore. The pretentiousness coming from cows about being hardcore is getting pretty tiresome.

Second reason: their assertions that Killzone 2 is any way realistic is just mindbogglingly delusional. It's a video game and it controls like a video game. The comparisons to military weapon usage are downright absurd.

Third reason: their dismissal of other highly-accomplished shooters. Killzone 2 better be the best FPS of all time if you're going to do that and it's just not. Killzone 2 is good, Halo is good, and Modern Warfare is good. What are you guys trying to accomplish by tearing those games down with dumb psuedo-hardcore terminology? Are you guys insecure about Killzone or something? If you guys are, you don't need to be.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="p2250"]

don't ever join the military bro, if they give you a gun and you complain about it being sluggish they'll send you home and tell you to keep playing your video games, particularly MW2.

p2250

I'm in the military too, and they're much more realistic than MW2, unlike what other posters are saying. In the military we all know that guns of different sizes have different weights and feels, do you agree?

I mean you are the military so I'm assuming you've handled weapons and know this?

I highly doubt you're in the military. I think you're just saying that to help your argument. The fact that you can even entertain the notionthat Killzone 2's controls are even somewhat like real military weapon usage makes me skeptical of your claim.

These are video games and the controls reflect that. I can't think of a single FPS in which the controls authentic or realistic.

MW2 is a lot better than KZ2............KZ2 is a overrated and it is a boring FPS game.

I love the killzone series, but i will be the first to tell you killzone 2's multiplayer is flawed. It has great shooting mechanics, the class system is good enough, and the graphics are outstanding, but GG's made some stupid mistakes in terms of multiplayer features. First off they gave the users to much control over the online. Ik that sounds stupid, but since all servers are user made almost 90% of the servers are only a select map or 2, will have 60+ min games, or lacking good game modes. So you have to work in order to find a decent server. Not only that, but its a nade fest. I think it would have been better to have made the game a smaller player count, or limit grenade use. I used to say COD 4 was a nade fest, but KZ2 takes the cake. In the next game they need to host about 20-30 of their own servers that have set map rotations and understandable game times, i dont want to play a single game that lasts an hour or more.

Also, the claims that Killzone 2 is challenging are kind of strange to me. The game is really fairly easy.FPS games that have health that refills in a few seconds are not hard IMO. All you have to do is manage toget out of the way for a few seconds to let itrefill.Although weaker in many ways, Resistance: Fall of Man is a more challenging FPS than Killzone 2 because of way the health is set up, the limited amounts of ammoand the fact that you have to pump alot more lead into the Chimera than the Helghast.

And about the claims that Killzone 2 "feels different". Yeah, sure it does, but all FPS have their different styles of movement and shooting. You guys act like all the other FPS's are all under one umbrella while Killzone 2 has a feel of all of its own. Absurd. The truth is that most FPSs feel different than eachother. The level design and story arcs and characters of FPS games are all pretty typical but most major FPS gameshave their own feel. Halo sure does (which is why so many people love it)just as Killzone does.

I love the killzone series, but i will be the first to tell you killzone 2's multiplayer is flawed. It has great shooting mechanics, the class system is good enough, and the graphics are outstanding, but GG's made some stupid mistakes in terms of multiplayer features. First off they gave the users to much control over the online. Ik that sounds stupid, but since all servers are user made almost 90% of the servers are only a select map or 2, will have 60+ min games, or lacking good game modes. So you have to work in order to find a decent server. Not only that, but its a nade fest. I think it would have been better to have made the game a smaller player count, or limit grenade use. I used to say COD 4 was a nade fest, but KZ2 takes the cake. In the next game they need to host about 20-30 of their own servers that have set map rotations and understandable game times, i dont want to play a single game that lasts an hour or more.

Sully28

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

BPoole96

This is the psuedo-hardcore posturing that I'm talking about.

Also, the claims that Killzone 2 is challenging are kind of strange to me. The game is really fairly easy.FPS games that have health that refills in a few seconds are hot hard IMO. Although weaker in many ways, Resistance: Fall of Man is a more challenging FPS than Killzone 2 because of way the health is set up and the fact that you have to pump alot more lead into the Chimera than the Helghast.

And about the claims that Killzone 2 "feels different". Yeah, sure it does, but all FPS have their different styles of movement and shooting. You guys act like all the other FPS's are all under one umbrella while Killzone 2 has a feel of all of its own. Absurd. The truth is that most FPSs feel different than eachother. The level designand story arcs and charactersare all pretty typical but most majorFPS gameshave their own feel.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I did like how the health regen worked in Kz2's online though. How it would refill like 75% the first time, than 60%, etc. The only real way to get 10% health again was to either carry health packs or find a medic on your team. I'll take that over CoD's 5 second full health regen anyday

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

BPoole96

For Example, they increased the xp from 10 to 100, so that CoD 4 veterans feel like they are getting loads of xp, when they actually are getting relatively nothing.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

Tragic_Kingdom7

This is the psuedo-hardcore posturing that I'm talking about.

It's true though. Anybody can pick up and play CoD and do decent at it. There's little to no strategy required at all.

[QUOTE="rp108"]

I have no doubt Killzone 2 is more hardcore than Modern Warfare 2 but superior, I don't know. Haven't played Killzone 2. Of course when I was going to buy it all I kept reading about was how no one was playing online anymore which I know was an exaggeration but still, a game with that much hype to have the online community get smaller in a few months of release struck me as being odd and maybe the game isn't that good.

Hahadouken

And yet more psuedo-hardcore posturing. Lovely.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

siddhu33

For Example, they increased the xp from 10 to 100, so that CoD 4 veterans feel like they are getting loads of xp, when they actually are getting relatively nothing.

Exactly. Plus killstreak rewards for like everything you do. All the words over the top saying "Headshot kill" "One hit kill" etc. Even how the perks have the word "pro" after them doesn't make sense to me. What's the difference between stopping power from CoD4 and Stopping power "pro"?

I dont get where people are saying the multiplayer is dead for Killzone 2.. its very much alive with a lot of people constantly playing no matter what time of the day it is i see tons of games avaliable and a lot of them hard to get into because they are already full.. set the servers to worldwide and you will notice ton of people playing, i play it everyday.

Kennysolidsnake

People say things to back up their argument. Most games are alive, but the official numbers for KZ2, are quite pitiful compared to other games. People see "200 players", in only one country, and think that it is extremely low, when the overall total is actually pretty good. Also, they bring up numbers of games such as CoD* (1,000,000 games per day), and Halo* (2,000,000 games per day), when it is really not needed. CoD is filled with noobs, and if your skill is lower than 40, Halo is filled with noobs too.

*Game numbers are approximations, just like VGChartz sales numbers. Don't flame me.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

BPoole96

For Example, they increased the xp from 10 to 100, so that CoD 4 veterans feel like they are getting loads of xp, when they actually are getting relatively nothing.

Exactly. Plus killstreak rewards for like everything you do. All the words over the top saying "Headshot kill" "One hit kill" etc. Even how the perks have the word "pro" after them doesn't make sense to me. What's the difference between stopping power from CoD4 and Stopping power "pro"?

Apparently Stopping Power Pro increases damage dealt towards vehicles. I don't really see the big deal anyway. The minute you shoot down a helicopter, you will probably get shot across the map by someone with steady aim and akimbo shotguns.

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

BPoole96

This is the psuedo-hardcore posturing that I'm talking about.

It's true though. Anybody can pick up and play CoD and do decent at it. There's little to no strategy required at all.

Actually, the people that use strategy tend to do somewhat better. It's true that anybody can be decent at the game, but that's a good thing. The reason why players are constantly getting rewarded is so that people that are not all that good can level up and get new weapons. It's not to make people "feel like they're doing better." That's a rather shallow way of looking at it.

All in all, I like the game's inclusiveness.

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="rp108"]

I have no doubt Killzone 2 is more hardcore than Modern Warfare 2 but superior, I don't know. Haven't played Killzone 2. Of course when I was going to buy it all I kept reading about was how no one was playing online anymore which I know was an exaggeration but still, a game with that much hype to have the online community get smaller in a few months of release struck me as being odd and maybe the game isn't that good.

Tragic_Kingdom7

And yet more psuedo-hardcore posturing. Lovely.

I hate the word hardcore. You can be a hardcore minesweeper player, and still get called a noob, even though Minesweeper is probably the hardest game ever made.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's hardcore appeal is why the online was not as successful as everyone had hoped. Casual Duty is constantly giving players little rewards and has things popping up all over the screen to make themselves feel like they're doing really well.

BPoole96

This is the psuedo-hardcore posturing that I'm talking about.

It's true though. Anybody can pick up and play CoD and do decent at it. There's little to no strategy required at all.

if they play against other casual players, then of course, this is true for any game

but they arent gonna start killing skilled players....

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

This is the psuedo-hardcore posturing that I'm talking about.

ogvampire

It's true though. Anybody can pick up and play CoD and do decent at it. There's little to no strategy required at all.

if they play against other casual players, then of course, this is true for any game

but they arent gonna start killing skilled players....

I think he is trying to say, that in a control situation, like a standard TDM, any new player can pick up and play CoD, and do the same things over and over again, and still do decent.What he means by decent, however, is another question.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

This is the psuedo-hardcore posturing that I'm talking about.

Tragic_Kingdom7

It's true though. Anybody can pick up and play CoD and do decent at it. There's little to no strategy required at all.

Actually, the people that use strategy tend to do somewhatbetter. It's true that anybody can be decent at the game, but that's a good thing. The reason why players are constantly getting rewarded is so that people that are not all that good can level up and get new weapons. I like the game's inclusiveness.

And the people who use strategy are the one's who are most likely pretty good at games. Don't get me wrong it is a good game with lots of good concepts but the game is made to be accessible to everyone. Easy aiming, smooth movement, a variety of perks, killstreaks, deathstreaks, etc. The gameplay is designed so that the player is consistantly being rewarded, even for small things. That makes the players feel like they are doing better, so they are having more fun, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Killzone 2 just doesn't have that appeal since you have to be pretty good at the game in order to do well

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's true though. Anybody can pick up and play CoD and do decent at it. There's little to no strategy required at all.

siddhu33

if they play against other casual players, then of course, this is true for any game

but they arent gonna start killing skilled players....

I think he is trying to say, that in a control situation, like a standard TDM, any new player can pick up and play CoD, and do the same things over and over again, and still do decent.What he means by decent, however, is another question.

Decent as is -5 to +5 kills over or under your deaths, for TDM at least

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It's true though. Anybody can pick up and play CoD and do decent at it. There's little to no strategy required at all.

BPoole96

Actually, the people that use strategy tend to do somewhatbetter. It's true that anybody can be decent at the game, but that's a good thing. The reason why players are constantly getting rewarded is so that people that are not all that good can level up and get new weapons. I like the game's inclusiveness.

And the people who use strategy are the one's who are most likely pretty good at games. Don't get me wrong it is a good game with lots of good concepts but the game is made to be accessible to everyone. Easy aiming, smooth movement, a variety of perks, killstreaks, deathstreaks, etc. The gameplay is designed so that the player is consistantly being rewarded, even for small things. That makes the players feel like they are doing better, so they are having more fun, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Killzone 2 just doesn't have that appeal since you have to be pretty good at the game in order to do well

thats true for just about every game

when playing against other players, i cant name 1 game where people that arent good at it do well... (except for button-mashing action games)

so I have been playing MW2 pretty much non stop over the last couple weeks and while i do think its fun its not anywhere near the quality game Killzone 2 is. Aside from the obvious reason which is Graphics in KZ2 trump MW2, the gameplay and gunplay is just much much better in Killzone 2.. When you get a kill in Killzone 2 you feel like you EARNED that kill and it just makes you feel better whereas in MW2 kills are a dime a dozen..

I also like how it takes more time to level up in KZ2 and you level up according to your skill and not just by simply playing matches over and over again.. In MW2 any noob can just play matches over and over again and level up due to "Match bonus" that MW2 just so freely give out.

the weapons in KZ2 just feel a lot more satisfying to shoot and have so much more recoil to them.. I love how one match has 5 game modes and switches on the spot in KZ2 making it a lot more intersting.

MW2 just feels so unbalanced at times, one minute i can kill someone in a split second shooting at their legs, the next minute i empty a whole clip in their face and they dont even die.

I honestly think Killzone 2 is just ahead of its time in terms of console shooters when it comes to graphics, more realistic gameplay and the type of MP it is.. there is still a lot of people that play KZ2 online.

Kennysolidsnake

i thought you're post was accurate until this post. I tried playing a few weeks back and i literally could not even join a 32 man game because there was only one running and it was full. like wtf, why dont people play this game???

I agree but from different points of views.

I get kills easier in KZ 2 than I do in MW 2. I prefer to aim at a distance with the standard rifle and pop off enemies with the green dot. I can barely get 20 kills in MW 2. While I get about 45 to 60 in KZ 2.

I feel that MW 2 moves way too fast for my liking. KZ 2 moves slower and it gives me time to analyze the battlefield. KZ 2 is just more of a thinking man's FPS and you have to be more methodical. In MW 2 it is just running and gunning using alot of the auto aim at blazingly fast speeds(unless you come across campers).

But the way KZ 2 switches from BodyCount to Capture and Hold, Protect/Kill a Target and other missions is just well done.

so I have been playing MW2 pretty much non stop over the last couple weeks and while i do think its fun its not anywhere near the quality game Killzone 2 is. Aside from the obvious reason which is Graphics in KZ2 trump MW2, the gameplay and gunplay is just much much better in Killzone 2.. When you get a kill in Killzone 2 you feel like you EARNED that kill and it just makes you feel better whereas in MW2 kills are a dime a dozen..

I also like how it takes more time to level up in KZ2 and you level up according to your skill and not just by simply playing matches over and over again.. In MW2 any noob can just play matches over and over again and level up due to "Match bonus" that MW2 just so freely give out.

the weapons in KZ2 just feel a lot more satisfying to shoot and have so much more recoil to them.. I love how one match has 5 game modes and switches on the spot in KZ2 making it a lot more intersting.

MW2 just feels so unbalanced at times, one minute i can kill someone in a split second shooting at their legs, the next minute i empty a whole clip in their face and they dont even die.

I honestly think Killzone 2 is just ahead of its time in terms of console shooters when it comes to graphics, more realistic gameplay and the type of MP it is.. there is still a lot of people that play KZ2 online.

Kennysolidsnake

That's why MW sells so well. It is much more noobish.RedruM_I

so I have been playing MW2 pretty much non stop over the last couple weeks and while i do think its fun its not anywhere near the quality game Killzone 2 is. Aside from the obvious reason which is Graphics in KZ2 trump MW2, the gameplay and gunplay is just much much better in Killzone 2.. When you get a kill in Killzone 2 you feel like you EARNED that kill and it just makes you feel better whereas in MW2 kills are a dime a dozen..

I also like how it takes more time to level up in KZ2 and you level up according to your skill and not just by simply playing matches over and over again.. In MW2 any noob can just play matches over and over again and level up due to "Match bonus" that MW2 just so freely give out.

the weapons in KZ2 just feel a lot more satisfying to shoot and have so much more recoil to them.. I love how one match has 5 game modes and switches on the spot in KZ2 making it a lot more intersting.

MW2 just feels so unbalanced at times, one minute i can kill someone in a split second shooting at their legs, the next minute i empty a whole clip in their face and they dont even die.

I honestly think Killzone 2 is just ahead of its time in terms of console shooters when it comes to graphics, more realistic gameplay and the type of MP it is.. there is still a lot of people that play KZ2 online.

I play MW2 for fun not realism.Next-Gen-Tec

so I have been playing MW2 pretty much non stop over the last couple weeks and while i do think its fun its not anywhere near the quality game Killzone 2 is. Aside from the obvious reason which is Graphics in KZ2 trump MW2, the gameplay and gunplay is just much much better in Killzone 2.. When you get a kill in Killzone 2 you feel like you EARNED that kill and it just makes you feel better whereas in MW2 kills are a dime a dozen..

I also like how it takes more time to level up in KZ2 and you level up according to your skill and not just by simply playing matches over and over again.. In MW2 any noob can just play matches over and over again and level up due to "Match bonus" that MW2 just so freely give out.

the weapons in KZ2 just feel a lot more satisfying to shoot and have so much more recoil to them.. I love how one match has 5 game modes and switches on the spot in KZ2 making it a lot more intersting.

MW2 just feels so unbalanced at times, one minute i can kill someone in a split second shooting at their legs, the next minute i empty a whole clip in their face and they dont even die.

I honestly think Killzone 2 is just ahead of its time in terms of console shooters when it comes to graphics, more realistic gameplay and the type of MP it is.. there is still a lot of people that play KZ2 online.

I agree with the initial poster. KZ2 has more fell to it, especially when you kill someone...man gotta play it again.

so I have been playing MW2 pretty much non stop over the last couple weeks and while i do think its fun its not anywhere near the quality game Killzone 2 is. Aside from the obvious reason which is Graphics in KZ2 trump MW2, the gameplay and gunplay is just much much better in Killzone 2.. When you get a kill in Killzone 2 you feel like you EARNED that kill and it just makes you feel better whereas in MW2 kills are a dime a dozen..

I also like how it takes more time to level up in KZ2 and you level up according to your skill and not just by simply playing matches over and over again.. In MW2 any noob can just play matches over and over again and level up due to "Match bonus" that MW2 just so freely give out.

the weapons in KZ2 just feel a lot more satisfying to shoot and have so much more recoil to them.. I love how one match has 5 game modes and switches on the spot in KZ2 making it a lot more intersting.

MW2 just feels so unbalanced at times, one minute i can kill someone in a split second shooting at their legs, the next minute i empty a whole clip in their face and they dont even die.

I honestly think Killzone 2 is just ahead of its time in terms of console shooters when it comes to graphics, more realistic gameplay and the type of MP it is.. there is still a lot of people that play KZ2 online.

kz 2 may not have split screen but even with its great graphics it offers up to 32 player online matches i thought mw2 with its graphics would easily match 32 player matches but it only offers up to 18 wow huge improvement over mw1

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]I play MW2 for fun not realism.alextherussian

[QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]I play MW2 for fun not realism.alextherussian

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]I play MW2 for fun not realism.Rikusaki

you are pretty much saying the opposite of what most people claimed here...

havent you noticed all the posts about KZ2 going for realism, main reason for its um... hardcoreness? its not a word but i just made it up :P

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="Next-Gen-Tec"]I play MW2 for fun not realism.Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="alextherussian"] same..ogvampire

you are pretty much saying the opposite of what most people claimed here...

havent you noticed all the posts about KZ2 going for realism, main reason for its um... hardcoreness? its not a word but i just made it up :P

Also, the claims that Killzone 2 is challenging are kind of strange to me. The game is really fairly easy.FPS games that have health that refills in a few seconds are not hard IMO. All you have to do is manage toget out of the way for a few seconds to let itrefill.Although weaker in many ways, Resistance: Fall of Man is a more challenging FPS than Killzone 2 because of way the health is set up, the limited amounts of ammoand the fact that you have to pump alot more lead into the Chimera than the Helghast.

And about the claims that Killzone 2 "feels different". Yeah, sure it does, but all FPS have their different styles of movement and shooting. You guys act like all the other FPS's are all under one umbrella while Killzone 2 has a feel of all of its own. Absurd. The truth is that most FPSs feel different than eachother. The level design and story arcs and characters of FPS games are all pretty typical but most major FPS gameshave their own feel. Halo sure does (which is why so many people love it)just as Killzone does.

Tragic_Kingdom7

I have an very telling story about this topic. During Thanksgiving, my gf's bro was up for the holiday and he is a big shooter fan. He is pretty good at CoD and can consistently beat me in it but not by much. So after playing MW2, I put in KZ2 to test his skills and boy did he ever get slaughtered. He noted that they are two very different games. In MW2 there is no or very little recoil, while KZ2 there is plenty. In MW2 you can camp, in killzone2 you can not. In MW2 a few shots take down an enemy regardless of where you hit them, while in KZ2 it takes more shots unless you hit them in the head. KZ2 is a more team oriented game and you rarely get the chance to rack up killstreaks like in CoD because it is a warzone with obvious hotspots and chokepoints. The class system in KZ2 often asks that you play a certain role for your team and adds to the commadrie. KZ2 guns have weight unlike MW2. KZ2 requires you to use burst fire and place your shots on the head. These games are very different and it is very easy to see why CoD sells more and has a bigger online base; it is a much more acessible game, but that is not to say either game is better than the other.

Both games are great multiplayer experiences and while I like the core shooting gameplay of KZ2 better, MW2 has a much better reward system that keeps you constantly coming back for more to get everything. Once you hit general in KZ2, you have opened up everything and it doesn't take long to get to general. I enjoy both but I will agree that yes KZ2 has certain aspects to it that make it a harder game to play online than MW2.