Jeff Grubb: Nvidia's RTX 3080 is more exciting than PS5 or XBSX

The Switch performs a unique function. The other two, what's their function? Being cheap?

The Switch has a unique library. The PS5 and Xbox Series X/S do not. They will share their games with PC, which will obliterate the consoles in performance. We are talking a gap we've never seen at a console launch. I feel embarrassed for Xbox and Playstation. Imagine trying to sell those consoles now... Imagine making a 12tflop console with "8K" etched on the chip after seeing the 3070, 3080 and 3090. Microsoft might wanna file down those chips...

Unique? That true, low res/frame rate and full of crappy downgraded ports.

Oh come on man. It’s the same Mario/Zelda games as every other gen with a fresh coat of paint. There’s nothing unique about the switch Library.

There's nothing fresh about cutscenes in Naughty Dog games, QTE boss fights or forced walking/dialogue sections. Nintendo makes video games. The other two wanna make movies. Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, BotW, Smash, Mario Maker 2, Splatoon 2, Arms, Bayonetta 2, all those JRPGS... Yeah, that's more unique than what is only available on PS5, (which will soon be not much) and Xbox (which is nothing at all). I can play everything else on PC at far better settings.

LOL. Switch is once again starving for fresh new games. I have one and own all 5 games worth having for it. Once I’ve beat them I’m selling it.

Switch is an underpowered Mario/Zelda machine nothing more. 80% of the games you listed are Mario. Unique Library LOLOLOL good one man!

And at least I play the systems I bash to make an informed opinion. QTE boss fights and forced walking sections?? Cry more numnuts

Dont worry cow PS5 SSD is another secret sauce of SONY it is worth about 20 TFlops.

So, 20 + 10 = 30 TFLOPS same as RTX 3090. LMAO.

Just wait a secret PATCH to activated that by godCerny. LOL

Come now, that's a $100 price cut for the 3070 and 3080 with double the performance and a $1000 price cut for the new Titan, now called 3090. How is that a bad thing? If you want them cheaper, just wait and see what AMD has to offer, but I would not hold much hope on them, even if the raw power is there, the software/features will be trash.

@rmpumper: have to agree with you, hard to see how you can complain with that performance/price ratio!

Well the 3080 is 70% quicker than a 2080ti, which is what the next gen consoles are aiming at and they'll be available before the consoles.

It's like taking candy from a baby.

I don't think it matters much that the newest graphic cards are more powerful than whats going to be offered on consoles.

The industry has a trend to, aside from a few exceptions, maintain a level of visuals and scope that will fit within all hardware currently being played on.

Just taking a look at the progress made with RTX onward, there is little visual disparity between the PC and it's console counterparts.

You can argue resolution, frames and some lighting effects like raytracing may be giving the PC version of these games an edge, but it's far from how it was, early 2000 onward to the early 2010.

Gaming just isn't so much about hardware anymore.

@goldenelementxl: You have to do better than that.

All the suckers that bought a 2080ti last year. 😂 bass.

Same. I have no clue. Sounds like Nvidia unveiled some stuff.

I hate to tell PC gamers but you will need also to buy a fast gen 4 m.2 drive to go along with a 3000 series card.

Sick Burn

Who?

Extremely. Nvidia has basically destroyed any competition consoles had against PC. Not that they were really in direct competition, but there is a bit there especially regarding power and scalability of the PC.

Hate to break it to you but RTXIO works with the 2000 series too. Also works with PCIe 3 and Sata Ssd's.

so im a peasant because i can't afford a 1500 gpu that doesn't even come with the rest you need to run it? your looking at over 3000 to get the best gaming pc if that cheap. i seen one on utube last night that cost 15,000 to have all the latest tech for each component.

even the cheaper gpu is the same price as these systems.

god were all sorry (not really) we are not rich like you but i am no peasant.

i would love to have a gaming pc but lets face it. its not a bit more money. if you buy even the cheaper 3000 gpu at 499 that does not include any thing. i can see if i bought a pc and up grated it little by little over the years. but i be starting from scratch.

Wow, that 9.2tflops seems like a decade old hardware now.

Why does it need to be a 3090? Everything shown by Nvidia shits on the consoles. The inevitable 3060 will shit on the consoles. Get a grip with that peasant talk.

@gifford38: u could put as much money into it as you want. U could get all the parts but get a cheaper gpu, use it for a little while while continuing to save up, sell the cheaper gpu later, and upgrade if u want. If u shop smart and buy the minimum of what u need or buy parts on sale, it won't cost much more than console and you can do so much more

because if im going to go pc i need a ssd that is not out yet to get the speed i want to match the ps5 which im sure its going to be expensive.

unless i buy the 3060 that has a decompression block like the ps5. then i can get a cheaper ssd.

i hate loading times.

but then i take that chance that i can't play ps5 exclusives.

Lol, no don't go PC. With your greatly deficient tech knowledge I would dread the poor Frankenstein PC you'd piece together.

That's just a weak ass excuse. You can always buy a console as a secondary machine if you think its library is worth it...

Bunch of people on this forum do so.

Wanna see some some pics? LMAO

i will buy a series x when fable drops. I will admit if they do say that ps5 games will come to pc i will buy a $3000 or more pc next year during tax season. because if that how its going to be i will buy one pc to play all.

but i do hate load times. im a open world player and it gets annoying like days gone how long they are. that is not a excuse.

but im not buying a ps5 and a pc i rather buy a series x at that price.

but it has to be 100% confirmed that the all ps5 will be on pc.

It wont have all the same features. If AMD does anything with upscaling it wont even be close to DLSS since it does not have dedicated hardware for it. Also with the XSX's hotchips reveal of the hardware shows that RDNA 2.0 does not have any dedicated AI hardware nor ray tracing hardware, it's using TMU's and CU's to do ray tracing which means that will eat into it's total normal rasterization performance. Hell Nvidia took a stab at XSX in the presentation with its RT performance around 13 RT TFLOPS for XSX while RTX 2080 has 34 RT TFLOPS and RTX 3080 has 58 RT TFLOPS.

If XSX has only 13 RT TFLOPS on a 52 CU RDNA 2.0 gpu. I doubting RDNA 2.0 on a 72/80CU Big NAVI will outright beat a RTX 2080ti or RTX 3070 in RT performance.

Hopefully RDNA 2.0 Big NAVI performs better than what has been explained so far

Why would you suddenly need a top-end $3000 PC sporting a RTX 3090?

'Til this point you were dreaming of PS5, which is gonna be at the time of its release an equivalent of a low-end PC shill.

Even that Epic dev confirmed that any PC with a NVMe SSD and RTX 2070 can run that UE5 engine tech demo perfectly fine...

@fedor: What about the 3050?

Haven't been any leaks regarding the 3050 so i can't say.

low-end pc lol not quite. you do realize just lick the 3000 series they can use the ssd as vram in the ps5.

why do think sweeny exact quote was the ps5 ssd solution is top tier (not speed) and pc will follow suit=the 3000 series. its because the ps5 i/o decompression block and dma controller can use that data as vram.

no low end pc has a i/o decompression block like the ps5 or even the series x or the 3000 series.

and i still don't believe the epic dev crap because if the demo was running in real time he be controlling her instead we got a video that the character moved just like the unreal 5 demo. every movement and at the exact same time as the demo but yet he was hold up a laptop not even controlling her but she was moving in the demo? no if he was controlling her and moving differently than the unreal 5 demo shown on the ps5.

wow you guys are not seeing the future change here. even the 3000 series the ssd data that goes through the i/o decompression block can be sent right to vram. no cpu is being touch at all during the decompression.

same as the ps5. because like the 3000 series is has a dma controller to tell were that data needs to go.

Spend thousand + and out perform consoles. Who knew?

Streaming data to the GPU is not the same thing as using the SSD as Vram. This shouldn't even have to be explained to you. And for the dozenth time, The feature is on the 2000 series as well.

ok pedro says that the 3000 series the data goes to vram not the gpu

and you say it goes to the gpu not to vram. does the gpu take whats in vram?

2000 does not have a decompression block. the data coming from m the ssd or hhd has to be decompressed by a cpu were the

ps5 and 3000 gpu does not use cpu at all to decompress the data.

doesn't vram go through the gpu?

you guys told me that its impossibly to send data straight to the gpu.

im going to do my own research now. you guys can't make you mind up.

As someone who owned a 680, 780 Ti, 1080 Ti and now has a 2080 Ti.... You don't need to WHELP for me, its the console gamer's who are having heart attacks about a $599 console you should worry about.

I am currently debating if a 3090 is worth it or should I wait for a 3080 Super.

I dropped £250 last month on a 1TB NVME and another set of 16GB RAM so I can have 32GB's.

Whelp... Not for the people looking at 3080's we are all good in life.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read on here, I want you to know that.

Well based on the fact RDNA2 52 CU chip in XSX loses to a RTX 2080 in Gears 5 and Minecraft RTX... Its safe to say a RTX 3080 that is almost 2x the performance of a RTX 2080 would need a GPU from AMD with 100 CU's at at least to compete.

Not to mention that big navi is rumoured to have 80 CU's... ITS clear AMD has no answer for a 3080 let alone a 3090. They will be competeting against a 2080 Ti and 3060/3070 cards, like they did with the Vega 56/64 and 5700/XT launches.

AMD with RDNA 2.0 will literally be the last two launches all over again for AMD two mid range GPU's that will use more power and be hotter than Nvidia, I can gaurentee that.

I have said it since they launched Navi, its sh** and can barely keep up with Turing TFLOP for TFLOP and doesn't scale well with increased CU's.

I won't discount AMD yet, there will be a HBM2e variant apparently.

what was dumb about it? the fact that decompression is not done by the cpu now? the decompression block is doing that now not the cpu. cpu now can used for what its needs to do like AI etc.

same as the ps5 decompression block the ps5 cpu is not doing any compression.

you guys told me i was crazy to think that but now the 3000 is doing it your acting like you never said it. you and pedro.

you guys told me the ssd is not fast enough which is right but the i/o is.

so the 2000 series has a i/o decompression block?

leaks say no HBM2e. it's apparently 16GB GDDR6 due to HBM2e being far too expensive.

RTXIO already is confirmed to work with the 2000 series. The SSD/IO is not fast enough to be used as Vram, literally nobody, not Cerny, not Sweeney, not Spencer, not Su, nor Jensen have made such a claim. Maybe try watching the Nvidia presentation so you don't ask me these stupid questions.

Yesterday Rogane said otherwise, no idea if he/she is reliable.

I mean you never know, the people who were getting stuff like 8nm and launch details correct about Ampere have been saying no HBM.

Since consoles use a shared VRAM/DRAM memory pool (in this case, Project Scarlett's 16GB of GDDR6 memory), it's not unrealistic that the custom SSD tech could indeed use the SSD as a VRAM buffer.

Here's how Microsoft described Project Scarlett's SSD capabilities:

"We've created a new generation of SSD. We're actually using the SSD as virtual RAM. We're seeing more than 40x performance increases over the current generation," Microsoft said in the Project Scarlett E3 2019 reveal video.

"The combination of the SoC and the solid state drive are really what gives you a totally new experience."

"Now we can take all of that power and apply all of that back into the scene, and generate more life into that world and bring it to the gamer in a seamless way."

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/69185/project-scarlett-use-proprietary-ssd-tech-supercharge-speeds/index.html

thats the series x never mind the ps5 that is twice as fast and the main chip that has a dma controller to tell were that data needs to go.

Vram and virtual ram are 2 completely different things. Stop digging for your "gotcha" moment, you only make yourself look more clueless.

ow yeah my bad lol the video and virtual. ok i admit you got me lol.

now i got to go look up virtual ram lol.

i want to take a computer course so bad lol. i hate trying to make sense of all this next gen tech crap being spewed.

but above it says vram buffer i highlighted the wrong one lol.

Since consoles use a shared VRAM/DRAM memory pool (in this case, Project Scarlett's 16GB of GDDR6 memory), it's not unrealistic that the custom SSD tech could indeed use the SSD as a VRAM buffer.

A Vram buffer is not the same thing as it being used as Vram. It's too slow to be used as Vram.