Is The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker Still Relevant?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Seabas989

/argument

Yeah you won.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yeah, if you randomly knew to look for the things you had no way to look for and the game gives you no way to find. :roll: At least Skyward Sword tried something interesting with it's overworld by revealing bits of it at a time and changing them over the course of the game. Wind Waker's overworld is literally the only good thing about the game. It has a small number of dungeons that are ridiculously average in every way. Aside from the novel idea of the ocean and the joy of sailing, it i's "baby's first Zelda" in every way. Every other thing it does has been outdone by other Zelda games, many of which came out before it did, and I would argue Twilight Princess matches it in overworld.DarkLink77

I actually call Wind Waker the height of the series because it grow and added things up to that point. After Wind Waker, the games started focusing on some great aspects over others. Wind Waker had the best story by far (nearly impossible to make a case otherwise), the best visuals, the best characters, the best overworld, the best music and the best side quests if you exclude Majora's Mask. The world was absolutely full and the 7 dungeons were pretty darn amazing as well

Majora's Mask exists. So no, it's not "nearly impossible." It's laughably easy. Also Midna > any of WW's characters.

And ew, Wind Waker's dungeons are awful.

Have you took the time to see just how intrecatel the story of Wind Waker connects to almost every single NPC and the setting of the great ocean? The use of metaphor to convey a powerful message about breaking out of your comfort zone, taking a risk and trying to grow even if there's an equal chance things will end up worse than better. It's better to make SOME difference than letting your potential stagnate. Wind Waker was about having the courage to build your own path and not let anybody force you to do otherwise. Even if it's a talking boat that greedily uses children to unnaturally fulfil the roles of their ancesters so that he can get his "island" (Hyrule Kingdom: his comfort zone) back.

You can see how clever the metaphors of the island and the Great sea are in relation to the plot I hope. I just think it's brilliant how much the story is reflected in every aspect of Wind Waker.

Majora's Mask had Atmosphere more than it had a great story.

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

/argument

DarkLink77

Yeah you won.

Well press A faster. :P

Seriously though that didn't annoy me as much as Navi. Maybe it's the voice as Fi's voice was not something I would punch over and over again.

Wind Waker was about having the courage to build your own path and not let anybody force you to do otherwise.

Pikminmaniac

You're looking way, way too deeply into something that isn't there and being completely wrong.

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

Wind Waker was about having the courage to build your own path and not let anybody force you to do otherwise.

ChubbyGuy40

You're looking way, way too deeply into something that isn't there and being completely wrong.

Naw, there is absolutely WAY too much evidence that outright supports my claim. All you have to do is read the text in the game. It's RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU! You just have to look a tiny bit harder and you'll see that the rest of the game metaphorically support what the text in the game says.

So you don't think the game was trying to convey this when, after everything you did as the King asked you to do, was argued to be wrong by the king himself and that you should forge your own path instead of trying to resurect his kingdom of old. It's screaming this right at your head man!

[spoiler] My children... Listen to me.

I have lived regretting the past.
And I have faced those regrets.

If only I could do things over again...
Not a day of my life has gone by without
my thoughts turning to my kindom of old.

I have lived bound to Hyrule.

In that sense, I was the same as Ganondorf.

But you...

I want you to live for the future.

There may be nothing left for you...

But despite that, you must look forward
and walk a path of hope, trusting that it
will sustain you when darkness comes.

Farewell...

This is the only world that your ancestors
were able to leave you.

Please...forgive us. -King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]

Yeah you won.

Seabas989

Well press A faster. :P

Seriously though that didn't annoy me as much as Navi. Maybe it's the voice as Fi's voice was not something I would punch over and over again.

Fi is more interesting than navi.

WW is better than SS. Long fetch quest with no intro or warning is game breaking for the impatient, several small fetch quests over a less inspired overworld is also game breaking for the impatient.

Yep, opinions are great.

It's prolly my 3rd favourite game out there... Played it recently on a uhh... different platform >.> and it was still very enjoyable.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

Wind Waker was about having the courage to build your own path and not let anybody force you to do otherwise.

Pikminmaniac

You're looking way, way too deeply into something that isn't there and being completely wrong.

Naw, there is absolutely WAY too much evidence that outright supports my claim. All you have to do is read the text in the game. It's RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU! You just have to look a tiny bit harder and you'll see that the rest of the game metaphorically support what the text in the game says.

So you don't think the game was trying to convey this when, after everything you did as the King asked you to do, was argued to be wrong by the king himself and that you should forge your own path instead of trying to resurect his kingdom of old. It's screaming this right at your head man!

[spoiler] My children... Listen to me.

I have lived regretting the past.
And I have faced those regrets.

If only I could do things over again...
Not a day of my life has gone by without
my thoughts turning to my kindom of old.

I have lived bound to Hyrule.

In that sense, I was the same as Ganondorf.

But you...

I want you to live for the future.

There may be nothing left for you...

But despite that, you must look forward
and walk a path of hope, trusting that it
will sustain you when darkness comes.

Farewell...

This is the only world that your ancestors
were able to leave you.

Please...forgive us. -King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

You're looking way, way too deeply into something that isn't there and being completely wrong.

parkurtommo

Naw, there is absolutely WAY too much evidence that outright supports my claim. All you have to do is read the text in the game. It's RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU! You just have to look a tiny bit harder and you'll see that the rest of the game metaphorically support what the text in the game says.

So you don't think the game was trying to convey this when, after everything you did as the King asked you to do, was argued to be wrong by the king himself and that you should forge your own path instead of trying to resurect his kingdom of old. It's screaming this right at your head man!

[spoiler] My children... Listen to me.

I have lived regretting the past.
And I have faced those regrets.

If only I could do things over again...
Not a day of my life has gone by without
my thoughts turning to my kindom of old.

I have lived bound to Hyrule.

In that sense, I was the same as Ganondorf.

But you...

I want you to live for the future.

There may be nothing left for you...

But despite that, you must look forward
and walk a path of hope, trusting that it
will sustain you when darkness comes.

Farewell...

This is the only world that your ancestors
were able to leave you.

Please...forgive us. -King Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule [/spoiler]

WOW, this speaks volumes about system wars. Only here can a legitimate and well made point be considered absolute madness...

MM>WW

I wish they made that an HD remake if anything.

Hmmm,Zelda Remakes are a tough one, because you have the option of adding additional content, or just updating the graphics.Eiji Anouma has regularly stated no dungeons are just "left out"; rather they're incorporated into the next games in the series.


- Ocarina of Time was meant to have 2 additional dungeons and a 7-day week. These things were incorporated into Zelda DD, which was then made into Majora's Mask.
- Majoras Mask was meant to have 6 main dungeons, a 7-day week and larger world map. However, the finished product had 4 main dungeons and 5+ 'mini' dungeons. It's unclear how much of this was incorporated into Wind Waker.
- Wind Waker was meant to have 2 additional dungeons,

The reason WW is so different is because Eiji Anouma has been so vocal about the state of the finished game. He was upset it didn't sell, that dungeons were cut, the Hyrule underworld was too linear and people didn't enjoy manually travelling on boat.

What we have to think is "what can/will they do with 9 months development?"

- OoT:3D has a 1 year development cycle with an outsourced team of 20 and they managed to absolutely nail it.
- Majoras Mask had a 1 year development cycle and they managed to crank out an incredible, original game.
- Eiji was happy with the Phantom Hourglass auto-travelling, that will almost certainly be integrated in some way.
- Did they re-use the cut Wind Waker dungeons in Skyward Sword (most probably yes)
- If so, would they be willing to put 'new' dungeons into the remake instead of Zelda WiiU?
- Eiji anouma has acknowldged the tedious fetch questions and a western distaste for the Tingle character.
- Mario 64 DS is the only example of Nintendo retroactively remaking a game with substantially more content


The answer is; don't get your hopes up for anything more than a graphical overhaul, though the Tingle fetch quest will probably be shrunk down into a more refreshing series of challenges.

One of my favorites of all time only marred by the stupid triforce fetch quest at the end. I hope Nintendo makes that optional in the HD release, instead giving us the two scrapped dungeons as a way to accomplish the same goal.

Also, please let us plot our sailing path via the touch screen without having to pull out the wind waker every few seconds. Like how it worked in Phantom Hourglass.

I can't wait until it releases. The Great Sea theme is one of the best pieces of music in gaming history IMO.

Hmmm,Zelda Remakes are a tough one, because you have the option of adding additional content, or just updating the graphics.Eiji Anouma has regularly stated no dungeons are just "left out"; rather they're incorporated into the next games in the series.


- Ocarina of Time was meant to have 2 additional dungeons and a 7-day week. These things were incorporated into Zelda DD, which was then made into Majora's Mask.
- Majoras Mask was meant to have 6 main dungeons, a 7-day week and larger world map. However, the finished product had 4 main dungeons and 5+ 'mini' dungeons. It's unclear how much of this was incorporated into Wind Waker.
- Wind Waker was meant to have 2 additional dungeons,

The reason WW is so different is because Eiji Anouma has been so vocal about the state of the finished game. He was upset it didn't sell, that dungeons were cut, the Hyrule underworld was too linear and people didn't enjoy manually travelling on boat.

What we have to think is "what can/will they do with 9 months development?"

- OoT:3D has a 1 year development cycle with an outsourced team of 20 and they managed to absolutely nail it.
- Majoras Mask had a 1 year development cycle and they managed to crank out an incredible, original game.
- Eiji was happy with the Phantom Hourglass auto-travelling, that will almost certainly be integrated in some way.
- Did they re-use the cut Wind Waker dungeons in Skyward Sword (most probably yes)
- If so, would they be willing to put 'new' dungeons into the remake instead of Zelda WiiU?
- Eiji anouma has acknowldged the tedious fetch questions and a western distaste for the Tingle character.
- Mario 64 DS is the only example of Nintendo retroactively remaking a game with substantially more content


The answer is; don't get your hopes up for anything more than a graphical overhaul, though the Tingle fetch quest will probably be shrunk down into a more refreshing series of challenges.

YoYo278

If we assume cut content from each Zelda finds its way into the next game, that would mean cut Wind Waker content would land in Twilight Princess, not Skyward Sword

- Eiji was happy with the Phantom Hourglass auto-travelling, that will almost certainly be integrated in some way.

YoYo278

O GOD NO! The sailing in Phantom Hourglass was such a disgusting downgrade from what was present in Wind Waker. Besides it doesn't translate very well anyways. Wind Waker's sailing was built around you having real time control of your boat. They'd have to change a lot more than just the method of movement in order for that to work.

[QUOTE="YoYo278"]
- Eiji was happy with the Phantom Hourglass auto-travelling, that will almost certainly be integrated in some way.

Pikminmaniac

O GOD NO! The sailing in Phantom Hourglass was such a disgusting downgrade from what was present in Wind Waker. Besides it doesn't translate very well anyways. Wind Waker's sailing was built around you having real time control of your boat. They'd have to change a lot more than just the method of movement in order for that to work.

It would only be an option, if they did it at all. Though I don't see how they would make it work with the wind direction mechanic.

Hmmm,Zelda Remakes are a tough one, because you have the option of adding additional content, or just updating the graphics.Eiji Anouma has regularly stated no dungeons are just "left out"; rather they're incorporated into the next games in the series.


- Ocarina of Time was meant to have 2 additional dungeons and a 7-day week. These things were incorporated into Zelda DD, which was then made into Majora's Mask.
- Majoras Mask was meant to have 6 main dungeons, a 7-day week and larger world map. However, the finished product had 4 main dungeons and 5+ 'mini' dungeons. It's unclear how much of this was incorporated into Wind Waker.
- Wind Waker was meant to have 2 additional dungeons,

The reason WW is so different is because Eiji Anouma has been so vocal about the state of the finished game. He was upset it didn't sell, that dungeons were cut, the Hyrule underworld was too linear and people didn't enjoy manually travelling on boat.

What we have to think is "what can/will they do with 9 months development?"

- OoT:3D has a 1 year development cycle with an outsourced team of 20 and they managed to absolutely nail it.
- Majoras Mask had a 1 year development cycle and they managed to crank out an incredible, original game.
- Eiji was happy with the Phantom Hourglass auto-travelling, that will almost certainly be integrated in some way.
- Did they re-use the cut Wind Waker dungeons in Skyward Sword (most probably yes)
- If so, would they be willing to put 'new' dungeons into the remake instead of Zelda WiiU?
- Eiji anouma has acknowldged the tedious fetch questions and a western distaste for the Tingle character.
- Mario 64 DS is the only example of Nintendo retroactively remaking a game with substantially more content


The answer is; don't get your hopes up for anything more than a graphical overhaul, though the Tingle fetch quest will probably be shrunk down into a more refreshing series of challenges.

YoYo278

[QUOTE="YoYo278"]

Hmmm,Zelda Remakes are a tough one, because you have the option of adding additional content, or just updating the graphics.Eiji Anouma has regularly stated no dungeons are just "left out"; rather they're incorporated into the next games in the series.


- Ocarina of Time was meant to have 2 additional dungeons and a 7-day week. These things were incorporated into Zelda DD, which was then made into Majora's Mask.
- Majoras Mask was meant to have 6 main dungeons, a 7-day week and larger world map. However, the finished product had 4 main dungeons and 5+ 'mini' dungeons. It's unclear how much of this was incorporated into Wind Waker.
- Wind Waker was meant to have 2 additional dungeons,

The reason WW is so different is because Eiji Anouma has been so vocal about the state of the finished game. He was upset it didn't sell, that dungeons were cut, the Hyrule underworld was too linear and people didn't enjoy manually travelling on boat.

What we have to think is "what can/will they do with 9 months development?"

- OoT:3D has a 1 year development cycle with an outsourced team of 20 and they managed to absolutely nail it.
- Majoras Mask had a 1 year development cycle and they managed to crank out an incredible, original game.
- Eiji was happy with the Phantom Hourglass auto-travelling, that will almost certainly be integrated in some way.
- Did they re-use the cut Wind Waker dungeons in Skyward Sword (most probably yes)
- If so, would they be willing to put 'new' dungeons into the remake instead of Zelda WiiU?
- Eiji anouma has acknowldged the tedious fetch questions and a western distaste for the Tingle character.
- Mario 64 DS is the only example of Nintendo retroactively remaking a game with substantially more content


The answer is; don't get your hopes up for anything more than a graphical overhaul, though the Tingle fetch quest will probably be shrunk down into a more refreshing series of challenges.

DarkLink77

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="YoYo278"]

Hmmm,Zelda Remakes are a tough one, because you have the option of adding additional content, or just updating the graphics.Eiji Anouma has regularly stated no dungeons are just "left out"; rather they're incorporated into the next games in the series.


- Ocarina of Time was meant to have 2 additional dungeons and a 7-day week. These things were incorporated into Zelda DD, which was then made into Majora's Mask.
- Majoras Mask was meant to have 6 main dungeons, a 7-day week and larger world map. However, the finished product had 4 main dungeons and 5+ 'mini' dungeons. It's unclear how much of this was incorporated into Wind Waker.
- Wind Waker was meant to have 2 additional dungeons,

The reason WW is so different is because Eiji Anouma has been so vocal about the state of the finished game. He was upset it didn't sell, that dungeons were cut, the Hyrule underworld was too linear and people didn't enjoy manually travelling on boat.

What we have to think is "what can/will they do with 9 months development?"

- OoT:3D has a 1 year development cycle with an outsourced team of 20 and they managed to absolutely nail it.
- Majoras Mask had a 1 year development cycle and they managed to crank out an incredible, original game.
- Eiji was happy with the Phantom Hourglass auto-travelling, that will almost certainly be integrated in some way.
- Did they re-use the cut Wind Waker dungeons in Skyward Sword (most probably yes)
- If so, would they be willing to put 'new' dungeons into the remake instead of Zelda WiiU?
- Eiji anouma has acknowldged the tedious fetch questions and a western distaste for the Tingle character.
- Mario 64 DS is the only example of Nintendo retroactively remaking a game with substantially more content


The answer is; don't get your hopes up for anything more than a graphical overhaul, though the Tingle fetch quest will probably be shrunk down into a more refreshing series of challenges.

Heil68

I don't think it needs to be relevant for the game to be rereleased and for it to be successful. Its relevence is also subjective. All that matters is that Zelda as a franchise is still relevant (which itclearlyis) and that people are excited for the comeback of Wind Waker. Which again, they clearly are. When it releases and people play and buy it in droves you'll have nothing to fear. Nintendo is doing just fine by all of us gamers. And we are more than thankful for it.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heil68"] What's so bad about it? Never played it. Heil68

Uh, okay well that's just not true at all. The game gives you the locations on the map. Sail to the designated area, use the grapple to retrieve them from the water, bam. Done. Call it good. Simple.

The end.

Yes Wind Waker still is but I guess I'm being biased since it's my fav Zelda game of all time.

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] It grinds the game to a halt until you go find eight pieces of the Triforce that are under the water. And the game doesn't tell you where they are.Darth-Samus

Uh, okay well that's just not true at all. The game gives you the locations on the map. Sail to the designated area, use the grapple to retrieve them from the water, bam. Done. Call it good. Simple.

The end.

You forgot the part how you have to pay Tingle absurd amounts of cash to get maps to help guide you.

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[QUOTE="Heil68"] Hmnm, I guess I would use a guide then since that does sound pretty tedious. DJ-Lafleur

Uh, okay well that's just not true at all. The game gives you the locations on the map. Sail to the designated area, use the grapple to retrieve them from the water, bam. Done. Call it good. Simple.

The end.

You forgot the part how you have to pay Tingle absurd amounts of cash to get maps to help guide you.