Is Rayman a better series than Sonic

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Posted by uninspiredcup (33685 posts) 7 months, 6 days ago

Poll: Is Rayman a better series than Sonic (67 votes)

yes 67%
No 33%

Hello, I see people say Sonic is overrated and others praise it. But I don't here much from either about Rayman. I bought Rayman on GOG and discovered i'm not very good at Rayman.

This leads to the question, is Rayman a better series than Sonic?

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#1 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4752 posts) -

I HATE Sonic the Hedgehog. I hate the games, the stupid characters, the fandom. Rayman automatically wins because at the very least he didn't inspire this...

Curse you, you little blue bastard!

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#2 Posted by Litchie (24037 posts) -

Yes. I find Rayman to be way better.

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#3 Posted by k--m--k (2794 posts) -

Rayman is better, Although I find Sonic to be a character with better potential.

They just are unable to do it correctly.

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#4 Posted by uninspiredcup (33685 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin said:

I HATE Sonic the Hedgehog. I hate the games, the stupid characters, the fandom. Rayman automatically wins because at the very least he didn't inspire this...

Curse you, you little blue bastard!

Gonna go fast
Gonna go fast

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#5 Posted by AcidTango (1678 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin:

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#6 Posted by freedomfreak (51204 posts) -

I could never get into Sonic, but Rayman is cool.

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#7 Posted by Ghosts4ever (10011 posts) -

No. early sonic games on genesis were best platformers ever.

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#8 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31212 posts) -

I don't care, I love any and all 2D platformers.

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#9 Posted by henrythefifth (2502 posts) -

I've tried few Rayman games, but found them appallingly bad. Sure, they might look neat, but as games, they are pretty dire affairs and I would not wish them on my worst enemy, ie Saltslasher.

So, Sonics beat Raymans 10-0. Even the weaker Sonic games on PS2.

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#10 Posted by Renegade_Fury (20578 posts) -

I've never been able to get into Rayman, but Sonic is my jam.

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#11 Posted by Robbie23 (367 posts) -

Rayman is so much more challenging and I prefer the artstyle over sonic. I find the sonic fandom to be quite annoying at times.

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#12 Posted by DaVillain- (36931 posts) -

@Renegade_Fury said:

I've never been able to get into Rayman, but Sonic is my jam.

Came here to say this.

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#13 Posted by Renegade_Fury (20578 posts) -

@davillain- said:
@Renegade_Fury said:

I've never been able to get into Rayman, but Sonic is my jam.

Came here to say this.

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#14 Posted by TheEroica (18417 posts) -

I have yet to play a sonic game better than a Rayman game, so yes....

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#15 Edited by uninspiredcup (33685 posts) -

Can't speak for any other Rayman than the first, but it seems to have a ton of problems. The biggest being leaps where you can't see where you're jumping and tons of off-screen hits, and outright spawning enemies directly in front you. It definitely goes from "difficult", into "cheap as hell" territory. This coupled with limited continues is game killing unless you decide to just cheat for unlimited lives. The screen is abit "busy" as well, it can be hard to visually read what is going on sometimes since almost everything is detailed and animated. One thing I did like is that enemies react to you and dodge attacks.

I hear 2/3 are piss easy in comparison.

@robbie23 said:

Rayman is so much more challenging and I prefer the artstyle over sonic. I find the sonic fandom to be quite annoying at times.

I imagine it's much harder to create Rayman Rule34 content due to his lack of limbs.

To be honest i'm still not sure what he is.

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#16 Posted by Sagemode87 (1395 posts) -

Genesis Sonic games and Sonic Mania is better than anything in the Rayman series. Especially those trash 5th and 6th gen games.

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#17 Posted by deactivated-5c203f71675ff (231 posts) -

Anything is better than Sonic.

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#18 Posted by Nuck81 (7648 posts) -

In quality? Easily.

Modern sonic is garbage

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#19 Posted by xantufrog (11517 posts) -

I love classic Sonic. I think they are brilliant games.

But yeah, talking sonic and pals stuff is atrocious, and his 3d outings have been painful since the DC.

I only played OG Rayman. I thought it was good, not great. I'd definitely rate classic Sonic games more highly

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#20 Posted by VFighter (5014 posts) -

Its not even a contest, Sonic wins hands down. Sonic 1-3, Sonic,CD, and Sonic,Mania blow Rayman games out of the water.

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#21 Edited by Litchie (24037 posts) -
@xantufrog said:

I love classic Sonic. I think they are brilliant games.

But yeah, talking sonic and pals stuff is atrocious, and his 3d outings have been painful since the DC.

I only played OG Rayman. I thought it was good, not great. I'd definitely rate classic Sonic games more highly

You should try the new Rayman games, Origins and Legends. Great music, gameplay, graphics, there's co-op, funny humor. I think they're very cheap now as well.

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#22 Posted by pyro1245 (5062 posts) -

Heck yeah.

The original Rayman is one of my all-time favorites.

Rayman 2 was one of the great transitions from 2D to 3D of its era.

Rayman 3 was pretty good too.

The recent 2D Rayman games are a lot of fun, but neither of them were able to match Rayman 1.

I love sonic games, but none of them come close to Rayman 1.

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#23 Posted by kingoftheapes (28 posts) -

no

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#24 Posted by Pedro (34953 posts) -

Their gameplay experiences are so different that its hard to make a direct comparison. I would say that Sonic has the most crap in the series.

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#25 Posted by JustPlainLucas (79344 posts) -

Back then, I prefered Sonic to Rayman. Now, Rayman easily. Legends and Origins have been better platformers than any Sonic game made, including Mania.

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#26 Posted by Zeggelaar (179 posts) -

If we compare to the early Sonic games and Mania than I would say no, Sonic is better. If we are talking 3d sonic than yes Rayman is better

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#27 Posted by HEATHEN75 (730 posts) -

You forgot option three. They both suck.

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#28 Posted by enzyme36 (4227 posts) -

I cant unsee Fraiser sonic!

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#29 Edited by Jackamomo (2156 posts) -

i'm not very good at Rayman

No-one is. It's impossible. No-one can complete Rayman.

In answer to the topic. The 2d one's no. The 3d one's, yes.

Sonic the Hedgehog revived a genre which was almost dead and spawned a million and one clones.

It showed the world that platform games could be at another level. This is the same year (1991) that Duke Nukem: Episode 2 released on PC-DOS.

It also remains, to my knowledge, the only 2d physics-based platform game in existence.

Now back to Sonic.

Honestly, that game made your head spin when you saw it in 1991.

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#30 Posted by Archangel3371 (28154 posts) -

Not really all that much of a fan of either to be honest but I guess I would go with Rayman overall.

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#31 Posted by uninspiredcup (33685 posts) -

@heathen75 said:

You forgot option three. They both suck.

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#32 Posted by HEATHEN75 (730 posts) -

@uninspiredcup: I often cut myself on my own edginess.

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#33 Posted by jeezers (3017 posts) -

i really liked the 3d rayman on n64 and legends was fun, i played og rayman briefly but dont remember it much

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#34 Edited by uninspiredcup (33685 posts) -

@jackamomo said:

i'm not very good at Rayman

No-one is. It's impossible. No-one can complete Rayman.

In answer to the topic. The 2d one's no. The 3d one's, yes.

Sonic the Hedgehog revived a genre which was almost dead and spawned a million and one clones.

It showed the world that platform games could be at another level. This is the same year (1991) that Duke Nukem: Episode 2 released on PC-DOS.

It also remains, to my knowledge, the only 2d physics-based platform game in existence.

Now back to Sonic.

Honestly, that game made your head spin when you saw it in 1991.

The eccentric and abstract art direction of Rayman was/is probably off-putting for an audience.

Sonic perfectly tapped into to 90's MTV culture with a rebellion Bart Simpson hedgehog fighting "the man", trying to commercialize everything. with his natural green habitat progressing towards industrial polluted environments and bunnys stored in coke cans.

Rayman is a weird looking thing, you're not sure what it is, fighting saxophones. He's much harder to get a grasp on.

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#35 Posted by phbz (4506 posts) -

Rayman is way, wayyyy better than Sonic.

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#36 Posted by locopatho (23597 posts) -

Sonic Trilogy > Rayman Trilogy.

But all Sonic has done since is pile up garbage (yes, with one or two glints of gold underneath the frothing filth heap...)

Modern Rayman is utterly fantastic.

So overall, it's Rayman. I can see why Megadrive fanatics pick Sonic though ;)

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#37 Posted by hrt_rulz01 (18990 posts) -

I loved Sonic back in the day, but I prefer Rayman nowadays.

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#38 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (29121 posts) -

Very much so yes, better 3d games, better 2d games. Also the music levels in Legends beat out any speed level in Sonic, easily.

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#39 Edited by Jackamomo (2156 posts) -

@uninspiredcup: [Sonic] trying to commercialize everything

It is a product just like Rayman. Rayman only looks like he does to save memory. It a genius solution for smooth animation on an older system with limited resources.

But just because Sega can't make a good Sonic game these days does not mean Sonic the Hedgehog 1 is not the most excellent platform game ever made.

Rayman is a straight forward jumping puzzle game.

Sonic is still the only physics platform game ever and it was programmed by genius Yuji Naka.

The art design on Sonic the Hedgehog informed almost every game that followed it and the gameplay sh*ts on Rayman.

Get real people.

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#40 Edited by uninspiredcup (33685 posts) -

@jackamomo said:

@uninspiredcup: [Sonic] trying to commercialize everything

It is a product just like Rayman. Rayman only looks like he does to save on frames of memory. It a genius solution for smooth animation on an older system with limited resources.

But just because Sega can't make a good Sonic game these days does not mean Sonic the Hedgehog 1 is not the most excellent platform game ever made.

Rayman is a straight forward jumping puzzle game.

Sonic is still the only physics platform game ever and it was programmed by genius Yuji Naka.

The art design on Sonic the Hedgehog informed almost every game that followed it and the gameplay sh*ts on Rayman.

Get real people.

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Why did you misquote me?

I wasn't saying Sonic is a commercial product and Rayman isn't. Sonics themes are anti-corporate which tapped into the MTV youth on the early 90's. It was also part of Sega's general marketing strategy.

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As soon as Sonic started speaking in-game sounding like a dumb ass with disney character rejects the character was dead. No longer did the youth imprint themselves on the character, and that bubble of time was popping.

Rayman is abstract to the point that it's difficult to have anything resonate with an audience beyond being an oddity.

It's objectively better than Assasins Wank, but every year Assasins Wank marketing gets through the masses. Even though it's probably one of, if not, Ubisofts most mediocre franchise. It's just terrible. Over and over. But people will buy that over weirdo-no-limbs-thing.

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#41 Edited by Jackamomo (2156 posts) -

While Sega was seeking a flagship series to compete with Nintendo's Mario series with a character to replace Alex Kidd as the company's mascot, several character designs were submitted by its research and development department. Many results came forth from their experiments with character design, including an armadillo (who was later developed into Mighty the Armadillo), a dog, a Theodore Rooseveltlook-alike in pajamas (who would later be the basis of Dr. Robotnik/Eggman's design), and a rabbit (who would use its extendable ears to collect objects, an aspect later incorporated in Ristar).[10][11]Naoto Ohshima took some of these internal designs with him on a trip to New York City and sought feedback by asking random passerbyers at Central Park their opinions; of the designs, the spiky teal hedgehog, initially codenamed "Mr. Needlemouse",[6] led this informal poll, followed by Eggman and the dog character. Ohshima felt that people selected it because it "transcends race and gender and things like that".[12] On return to Japan, Ohshima pitched this to the department, and the hedgehog was ultimately selected as the new mascot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(character)

It's just an internally designed (in Japan) character. Sega US changed him to make him annoying after the first game.

Rayman is just a cute idea by a French developer. Marketing aside. The gameplay is nowhere near as good as Sonic. Legends is totally overrated.

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#42 Posted by VFighter (5014 posts) -

@jackamomo: The two newest Rayman games are good, lets not kid ourselves here. They look fantastic and play really well, I still prefer classic Sonics and Mania over them, but that doesn't mean they arent good games.

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#43 Posted by phbz (4506 posts) -

I was a Mega Drive kid and Sonic was something I never could get into. I had the game but I just found it utterly mediocre. Recently bought Mania and felt exactly the same. I just can't. To me it's just shit.

Rayman legends it's just one of my favourite platformers ever. Controls great and the creativity in that game is just too good.

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#44 Posted by KBFloYd (21859 posts) -

2D sonic>2D rayman

3D rayman>3D sonic

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#45 Posted by SaltSlasher (1145 posts) -

Good question.

Neither are overly favorites for me, but enjoyed both series. I think Sonic is better for being quite difficult to even get to end, let alone collecting shit. Rayman, at least last one I played assumed user would give AF about grabbing every last thing.

I want to pick Sonic, but know Rayman 2014 was a really good game, and have yet to play Mania and Forces wasn't nearly as good as Rayman's last hit.

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#46 Posted by Dark_sageX (3420 posts) -

Not comparable, no game is comparable with the Sonic games, unless you know another high speed platforming series? I'd say Super Mario would make a better comparison with Rayman.

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#47 Posted by omegaMaster (1286 posts) -

Sonic

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#48 Edited by xantufrog (11517 posts) -

@Dark_sageX: honestly, the best comparison with Rayman I can think of is Ristar. But poor Ristar is long dead.

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#49 Posted by xantufrog (11517 posts) -

@jackamomo said:

It also remains, to my knowledge, the only 2d physics-based platform game in existence.

What do you mean by this?

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#50 Edited by Jackamomo (2156 posts) -

@xantufrog: Look at this early concept sketch.

https://www.redbull.com/us-en/the-making-of-sonic-the-hedgehog

I couldn't find the one Yuji Naka drew on a napkin but it was basically just a diagonal line with a curve at the bottom and a ball flying off it.

The double arrow shows hows platforms curve into different elevations and are not flat and the jump whoosh shows the direction of the jump being affected by the angle of the land jumped from.

The ball going into the hill demonstrates the tunnel warp mechanism and it has just occurred to me this is probably because they thought hedgehogs burrowed which they don't but hey. They also originally thought hedgehogs couldn't swim hence Sonic can't. Turns out they can but there's always the bubble shield.

The origins of Sonic can be traced farther back to a tech demo created by Yuji Naka, who had developed an algorithm that allowed a sprite to move smoothly on a curve by determining its position with a dot matrix. Naka's original prototype was a platform game that involved a fast-moving character rolling in a ball through a long winding tube, and this concept was subsequently fleshed out with Oshima's character design and levels conceived by designer Hirokazu Yasuhara.[16]

This physics aspects doesn't feature in any other platformer because the programming is complex and the reason no Sonic clone could match it's inertial physics without feeling unnatural.

The fact you can roll into a ball makes it a physics game.

Ristar was both awkward, frustrating and the music was just plain noisy.