Is 1080p HD an obligation for the next gen consoles?

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#1 bmaick
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Do you think that the following consoles should focus on HD games? or do you want games like the Wii (low graphic quality)?

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#2 Mr_Nordquist
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I want games to be good whether or not they're in SD, or HD

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#3 Gxgear
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Let's see some games run in native 1080p first this gen.

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#4 _SWAG_
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no not yet 720p is good enough still for hd gaming 1080p is only good for movies

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#5 Ambli
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It'll be supported alot more, but it won't be on all games.

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#6 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator  Online
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Let's see some games run in native 1080p first this gen.

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There's already games which do that... :?
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#7 foxhound_fox
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1080p will very soon be replaced by 1440p. And PC games have been running at 2048x1536 for some time now. 1080p by 2011/2012 is going to be severely dated.

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#8 spencer_119
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a obligation for me is a hard drive i could careless about 1080p

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#9 Genexi2
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How about some actual true 1080p, and not the upscaled bullcrap the 360 is feeding. PS3 developers are also bad for it, usually providing just a crisper HUD ontop of what's otherwise 720p being upscaled also.

Barely anything on the PS3 renders actual native 1080p graphics.

The next-gen consoles better be sporting it natively, and hopefully by then HDTVs are considered the norm so developers can get more flack for not properly supporting it. I can't see anything being higher than 1080p on the movie-front with the current storage mediums, including digital distribution. (would take longer to download a 1080p movie than it would to head to town and buy the BluRay on the majority of North American internet connections, excluding that it'd likely take up most people's bandwidth allotment for the entire month, unless internet connection standards are going to rise dramatically within the next 3-5 years, which I highly doubt)

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[QUOTE="Genexi2"]

How about some actual true 1080p, and not the upscaled bullcrap the 360 is feeding. PS3 developers are also bad for it, usually providing just a crisper HUD ontop of what's otherwise 720p being upscaled also.

Barely anything on the PS3 renders actual native 1080p graphics.

The next-gen consoles better be sporting it natively, and hopefully by then HDTVs are considered the norm so developers can get more flack for not properly supporting it. I can't see anything being higher than 1080p on the movie-front with the current storage mediums, including digital distribution. (would take longer to download a 1080p movie than it would to head to town and buy the BluRay on the majority of North American internet connections, excluding that it'd likely take up most people's bandwidth allotment for the entire month, unless internet connection standards are going to rise dramatically within the next 3-5 years, which I highly doubt)

^This, totally.
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#11 Gxgear
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[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Let's see some games run in native 1080p first this gen.

Stevo_the_gamer

There's already games which do that... :?

Let me rephrase that, good games.

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#12 29121994
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i think it's stupid that devs can't make all games for ps3 1080p

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#13 MoonMarvel
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a obligation for me is a hard drive i could careless about 1080p

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Then you never played an HD game, after getting my HD TV i won't touch SDTV anymore. Such an huge improvment.
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#14 Jade_Monkey
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1080P is too low for me. I game at 1920*1200 on my PC.

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#15 Cranler
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If current games used 1080p they would actually look worse andthere would be less work for the devs. They would have to tone down the graphics so much to double the res. Less work to simply bump up the res than take the time to create better textures and shadows.

COD 4 is 600p and looks better than COD 3 which is 720.

I've seen COD 4 at 2560x1600 all maxed but Crysis looks better at 1680x1050.

A next gen game designed to run at 720p that takes full advantage of the hardware with best possible graphics would look better than a game at 1080p due to the sacifices that have to be made for that high of a res.

Wont happen though, its easier to sell a console with simple numbers like 1080p.

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#16 Jade_Monkey
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Crysis looks better at 1680x1050.

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Not if you got the juice to run it higher.

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#17 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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I don't give that much importance to numbers. I just expect them to look better (what most certainly will), so I don't care for anything else.
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#19 Cranler
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[QUOTE="Cranler"]

Crysis looks better at 1680x1050.

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Not if you got the juice to run it higher.

What are you saying? Crysis doesnt look better at higher res? You make no sense. I was making a point that res isnt he be all end all of how a game looks, nice comprehension.

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#20 Jade_Monkey
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What are you saying? Crysis doesnt look better at higher res? You make no sense. I was making a point that res isnt he be all end all of how a game looks, nice comprehension.

Cranler

Misunderstanding. thought you said that Crysis looked better at 1680*1050 (as opposed to higher such as 1920*1200).

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#21 McdonaIdsGuy
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PS3 and 360 don't have the power to run graphical demanding games at 1080p.
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#22 SakusEnvoy
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Gaming on TVs is different from gaming on a desktop or laptop monitor. Most people play games using a wireless controller at a distance from the screen. Just because PC gamers are used to 1920 x 1080, and sit close to the screen from an active posture, doesn't mean console gamers would necessarily benefit greatly from it. Especially if you consider that most console games are designed to be played on TVs, and the vast majority of TVs under 32" don't even support 1080p and probably never will. Is it an obligation? Not necessarily; not in the same way that 720p was. Only people who game from a close proximity on a PC LCD monitor or on a large screen would benefit from it.
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#23 imprezawrx500
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how about a console that can actually run 720p in every games without dropping below 30fps ever 50-60fps would be better and shouldn't be very hard at that low resolution.
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#24 imprezawrx500
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funny how a geforce 8800gt can max out crysis at console resolutions and frame rate but consolies say you need a $2000 pc to run it. As a 8800gt can run crysis in 1680 x 1050 at 30-60fps it would be sad if next gen consoles can't run every game in native 720p with a smooth frame rate. crysis is very easy to run at the same resolution as mgs4, cod4 or halo 3, even in 720p it doesn't take much to run.
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#25 DAZZER7
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i think it's stupid that devs can't make all games for ps3 1080p

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This very much depends on the GPU and video memory including the mem bandwidth. The RSX in the PS3 is just not built to render at 1080p and neither is the Xenos in the 360.

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#26 -snorlax-
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how ridiculous. Ninty proved 480i is the only nessessary resolution for console gaming.
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#27 lhughey
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All things being equal, higher resolution is better. Its silly to disagree with the thought that higher resolution is better all things being equal. So yes, 1080 is required next gen. TV's with higher resolution than 1080p will be released within 3 years. THey have already being shown at CES.

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#28 Wasdie  Moderator
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I don't think so. 1080p is really nice, but it is extremely taxing on the consoles. Even high end PC struggle running games in 1080p. Its just an insanely high resolution. I would takey 720p with 2x or 4xAA any day over a 1080p title.

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#29 Mckenna1845
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1080p will very soon be replaced by 1440p. And PC games have been running at 2048x1536 for some time now. 1080p by 2011/2012 is going to be severely dated.

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i don't know tv's tend to be well behind monitors, 1080p tv's are still considered a luxury, so i can't see 1440p becoming the norm in 2 years time.
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#30 AnnoyedDragon
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Should next gen continue as always...

I'm sure they will promise a 1080p standard, whether or not they supply that is unlikely however. Consoles have a tradition of breaking standards, they create the illusion of standardised performance because of fixed hardware; but I think everyone is aware of the none 720p/30fps constant games this gen.

PS3 promised full 1080p games this generation, look at what happened to that, only the minority are 1080p with some not even 720p.

I actually think it is quite dangerous for consoles to take this rout, mainstream platforms shouldn't be pushing resolutions.

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#31 POJO_MOFO
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Yes, I would say the next gen 1080P should be a minimum, it is cheap enough to do now there is no excuse for Wii to not have HD capabilities
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Yes, I would say the next gen 1080P should be a minimum, it is cheap enough to do now there is no excuse for Wii to not have HD capabilitiesPOJO_MOFO
Trouble is, the next gen consoles' hardware will be being developed and finalised about now, if not done already. I just dont know if they will invest in higher end GPUs this gen.

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#33 AnnoyedDragon
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Even high end PC struggle running games in 1080p. Its just an insanely high resolution.

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Oh I don't know, thanks to cross platform orientation a £100 GPU would get you 1920x1200 these days.

Hardware performance is going up while consoles limiting factor on cross platform development is keeping requirements low.

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#34 Truth_Hurts_U
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720p is fine... Just upscale it to 1080p

I rather it run in a lower res... Have a min of 4x AA and all the graphics you can get.

Would be nice if they used BR to have both 720p and 1080p Options. Like how PC is. I would def take the 720p option.

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For the last 2+ years I gamed on my 360, it's been on an SDTV. It is only now that I made an acquisition of a 22" 1080p LCD (and at the sweet deal of $205 CDN :D ) that serves the dual function of my PC and console display.

Even so I never have and still don't advocate that HD resolution is a necessity of the current consoles. Number of pixels aside, on an SDTV you will still enjoy the benefit of higher polycount for more detailed character and environment models, better rendered textures, particle effects, more expansive environments, higher number of on screen characters. In fact what I would say has had the biggest impact on visuals, more than resolutions and textures, is the more advanced HDR Lighting, which really creates the realism in graphics and again is very evident on a regular TV screen.

Then with the issue of exact resolution settings, is 1080 the be all, end all of grahic quality? No. many games that are under 1080 (720 and in some cases 640), such as MGS4 and COD4 have proven that a game doesn't have to be rendered at 1080 to look stunning. Visuals are the sum of all the various factors (artistic rendering of textures, polycount, particle effects, lighting... along with resolution) that paints the picture you see before your eyes. But more importantly finding the best balance of all that which still allows the game to run smoothly, frame rate being just as important.

So with all that, HD does offer more fidelity and clarity to the picture quality of your games, everything looks cleaner and basically the visuals all just pop. Plus text and a lot of in game HUDs are just crystal. But even if not as crisp, like I said, all the afforementioned graphical aspects (2nd paragraph) are still there that makes games look better than those of the previous generation. Sure it's nice to have but by no means a necessity.

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#36 DAZZER7
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720p is fine... Just upscale it to 1080p

I rather it run in a lower res... Have a min of 4x AA and all the graphics you can get.

Would be nice if they used BR to have both 720p and 1080p Options. Like how PC is. I would def take the 720p option.

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That wouldn't require blu-ray. It's not like having 2 different video or audio formats. It would simply be a small change in the code to enable the game to render a different screen resolution.

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#37 Luigi_Vincetana
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I want games running at full UHD next gen! :P
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[QUOTE="POJO_MOFO"]Yes, I would say the next gen 1080P should be a minimum, it is cheap enough to do now there is no excuse for Wii to not have HD capabilitiesDAZZER7

Trouble is, the next gen consoles' hardware will be being developed and finalised about now, if not done already. I just dont know if they will invest in higher end GPUs this gen.

Thing is, even cheap GPU now-a-days is better than what is in the 360/ps3 now. So it would be cheap to throw, say a modified ATI 4700 series or a Nvidia 9800 series GPU and be in better shape than they have now
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#39 spinecaton
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1080P is too low for me. I game at 1920*1200 on my PC.

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As apposed to 1080p? Don't tell me you can actually notice a huge difference between 1920X1200 and 1920X1080...

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[QUOTE="Jade_Monkey"]

1080P is too low for me. I game at 1920*1200 on my PC.

spinecaton

As apposed to 1080p? Don't tell me you can actually notice a huge difference between 1920X1200 and 1920X1080...

Seriously. This is like people saying that can see the difference between the 360 and PS3 version of Fallout 3 or Resident Evil 5.

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#41 lebanese_boy
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Almost no games this gen run natively in 1080P so no.

But I believe we will see many more next gen that actually run in 1080P. Maybe at least half of them?

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#42 iam2green
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well i hope games stay in HD. i don't have a tv that can do 1080p so it should stay at 720p. really only the tv that can do 1080p are the big ones that are 42" and up. i have a 32" it only goes to 1080i, 720p.
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#43 genfactor
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Do you think that the following consoles should focus on HD games? or do you want games like the Wii (low graphic quality)?

bmaick

By the time the next systems come out, enough people will have HDTV to justify a focus on HD. Nintendo said that the successor to the wii will be HD and comparable in power to their competitors next systems back when wii was still called revolution.

It's not a question of should they focus on HD, it's a question of is it time to focus on HD. When you consider that HDTV won't even become a broadcast standard until June of this year, nearly 4 years after the release of the 360, the HD era is just now begining. Because the truth is early adopters don't decide when it's time, the mainstream decides when it's time. Looking at the sales of the wii, the mainstream clearly doesn't think it's time yet.

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#44 LordDhampire
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I won't be playing them if they are not 1080p, this gen I can make exceptions ( the wii) but next no dice

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#45 thegoldenpoo
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Perhaps a mix, 720P would be good to keep if you want to do things like have more advanced textures/Parallax Mapping/ Lighting and keep the frame rate solid. At 32" and below it's not that big of a must TBH, i would be happy with lower rez and better features rather than a more HD version of this gen.
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#46 DAZZER7
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To be honest, I just wanna see the end of jaggies and hardware capable of decent AA. A lot of games this gen would have looked so much better (more like their bullshots) if the hardware could have handled better AA. I really hate jaggies!

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#47 sikanderahmed
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ofcourse next gen consoles should have HD and most technologically advanced hardware

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#48 Jade_Monkey
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ofcourse next gen consoles should have HD and most technologically advanced hardware

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Consoles never have the most technologically advanced hardware, that's reserved for PC.

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#49 LordDhampire
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[QUOTE="sikanderahmed"]

ofcourse next gen consoles should have HD and most technologically advanced hardware

Jade_Monkey

Consoles never have the most technologically advanced hardware, that's reserved for PC.

what he says is true, if they started making them now for a 2011 release we would probably have 9800's gpu's which are already dated and replaced by the 2xx's which will be replaced

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#50 Brainkiller05
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1080p is a bit low res for the next generation imo.