Xbox heat? Pah! My PC GPU can hit 83c playing MS Flight Sim 2020. I can feel the heat coming out of the case and it can heat the room up a little more on some days. Nothing different here.
Yeah? What's good for a PC may not be good for a console. A PC case typically has plenty of room in the case to breathe, some with multiple areas of intake and exhaust fans. Sounds like they're nerfing the fan speed just so MS can get its "quiet" narrative among the impressions. At the expense of a flaming hot cube of death.
@Sevenizz said:
Thank god all these stories are coming from rando sites no one’s heard of. If this were a right leaning post, it would’ve been locked by now!
You pretending to not know what Giant Bomb is may be your greatest kayfabe yet.
Ummm...yeah. I think I'll wait for the Xbox Series X slim with the quadruple fans and what not. Don't want the red ring on DESTRUCTION again. You Xbox guys can be our guinea pigs. March on soldiers... we appreciate your service xD
It sounds to me that the XsX really does a better job of moving heat OUT of the console, which would enable the system to draw more power and run at higher clock speeds.
That's means a great cooling system, clueless people think otherwise.
@eoten said:
It sounds to me that the XsX really does a better job of moving heat OUT of the console, which would enable the system to draw more power and run at higher clock speeds.
Precisely, you'd think that's not really hard to figure out but here we are.
Common sense just isn't too common these dayzzzz. :P
well look at that. I bet the series x is going to be the new 360. the xbox one x was such a good made console i hope they don't go back wards this gen and have another red ring of death going on.
If only you weren't so clueless. Expelling heat isn't an indication of any kind of issue. It actually means the cooling system is doing it's job by exhausting the heat to outside the console instead of keeping it in with the components.
My PC is like a little heater for the room but never overheats and I've this build since the 1080ti came out.
Xbox heat? Pah! My PC GPU can hit 83c playing MS Flight Sim 2020. I can feel the heat coming out of the case and it can heat the room up a little more on some days. Nothing different here.
Yeah? What's good for a PC may not be good for a console. A PC case typically has plenty of room in the case to breathe, some with multiple areas of intake and exhaust fans. Sounds like they're nerfing the fan speed just so MS can get its "quiet" narrative among the impressions. At the expense of a flaming hot cube of death.
@Sevenizz said:
Thank god all these stories are coming from rando sites no one’s heard of. If this were a right leaning post, it would’ve been locked by now!
You pretending to not know what Giant Bomb is may be your greatest kayfabe yet.
the fact that there is heat coming out "violently" says they are not nerfing the speed of the fan /smh
It sounds to me that the XsX really does a better job of moving heat OUT of the console, which would enable the system to draw more power and run at higher clock speeds.
shh...stop using logic there is no place for that in System Wars
It sounds to me that the XsX really does a better job of moving heat OUT of the console, which would enable the system to draw more power and run at higher clock speeds.
But it's making the case hot as well as the accessories plugged in it? Some cooling solution
damn and i was gonna be carrying my serious X around in my hands when i game HaH
but hey thats 12.15 tera flops v 9.28 tiny flops for ya
cows mad disease
will you stop saying 9.28 teraflops its a proven to be wrong. it only throttles a 9.28 if the game is not using the all of the gpu or cpu. like when playing a ps4 game.
but games like the new god of war or any next gen game will have that ps5 throttled up to 10.28 teraflops.
look it up. do some research before saying non sense.
the fact that there is heat coming out "violently" says they are not nerfing the speed of the fan /smh
I don't think "violent heat emission" is a selling point for a console. That cooling system sounds FUBAR'd. You can't hear the fan, yet the heat is off the charts.
@goldenelementxl: Don't worry Super Sonic, I was throwing Nintendo into the convo because I value a console with the top of the line exclusives to play on it, not Multiplats since you already know I have a gaming PC for that. I too will not get a PS5 until Sony stops supporting PS4 cross-plat and it looks like I'm not really missing much on PS5. Miles Morales coming to PS4, works in my favors :)
so missing out on ratchet and clank, demon souls, grand 7, godfall, god of war 2021.
fact is sony first party even games like hzd2 up to ps5 graphic fidelity. you know they have taking the time on the ps5 version that is not just boost mode of the ps4 version. it will look next gen.
there is no way im playing hzd2 on my base ps4.
so far only 2 first party games are cross gen. miles and hzd2. the rest you will miss out on.
2021 will be sony best first year of any next gen console.
so many games coming in 2020 and 2021.
but having miles on the ps4 at launch will give you time to get your hands on a ps5 in 2020 or 2021.
damn and i was gonna be carrying my serious X around in my hands when i game HaH
but hey thats 12.15 tera flops v 9.28 tiny flops for ya
cows mad disease
will you stop saying 9.28 teraflops its a proven to be wrong. it only throttles a 9.28 if the game is not using the all of the gpu or cpu. like when playing a ps4 game.
but games like the new god of war or any next gen game will have that ps5 throttled up to 10.28 teraflops.
look it up. do some research before saying non sense.
it boosts the performance on the GPU side of things and lowers the performance on the CPU side of things when needed IIRC.
Think of it as having two garden hoses hooked up to a Y valve so that they use one tap. Both will not do full pressure at the same time so in order to get more pressure out of one hose you have to restrict what is going into the other hose.
So if the GPU needs to hit the max (10.28?) then the CPU will have to clock down. If the CPU needs to get max power draw then the GPU will have to clock down (smart shift). This is a smart technology but it also could provide bottle necks farther down in the console lifecycle as developers will have to decide where to trim out stuff in order to make it work. Right now I do not think any games being released in the 1st year for either console will take full advantage of their architecture.
well look at that. I bet the series x is going to be the new 360. the xbox one x was such a good made console i hope they don't go back wards this gen and have another red ring of death going on.
If only you weren't so clueless. Expelling heat isn't an indication of any kind of issue. It actually means the cooling system is doing it's job by exhausting the heat to outside the console instead of keeping it in with the components.
My PC is like a little heater for the room but never overheats and I've this build since the 1080ti came out.
Cows always
see its the fact that all the parts in the series x are on top of each other literally lol. it might be pushing out the hot air but the fact is will it be enough for the crambed in parts system. is it going to enough to get the heat out fast enough.
not saying the series x looks bad just looks a bit iffy with its design. if the external ssd expansion is getting so hot to even touch then it might be to hot to function right a year later without getting the fan to run at its max the entire time.
my ps4 pro died because it got to hot that's all im saying. i should of said series x might be the new ps pro.
now im stuck playing on my base ps 4 until i send my pro to get fixed.
sony ps4 pro is the worse console design ever so this is no cow rant. this is just me concerned that the series x will not crash like my pro did because i was playing days gone and the game crashed my whole system because it got to hot.
@regnaston: are you an systems designer or engineer for PS? If not, then maybe stop spouting nonsense pretending to know what you’re talking about. We have all heard what Cerny had to say about it. Being a lemming isn’t gonna change the truth.
@regnaston: are you an systems designer or engineer for PS? If not, then maybe stop spouting nonsense pretending to know what you’re talking about. We have all heard what Cerny had to say about it. Being a lemming isn’t gonna change the truth.
I was using Cerny's presentation as source material for my info..so if my info is wrong then blame him
see its the fact that all the parts in the series x are on top of each other literally lol. it might be pushing out the hot air but the fact is will it be enough for the crumbed in parts system. is it going to enough to get the heat out fast enough.
not saying the series x looks bad just looks a bit iffy with its design. if the external ssd expansion is getting so hot to even touch then it might be to hot to function right a year later without getting the fan to run at its max the entire time.
my ps4 pro died because it got to hot that's all im saying. i should of said series x might be the new ps pro.
now im stuck playing on my base ps 4 until i send my pro to get fixed.
sony ps4 pro is the worse console design ever so this is no cow rant. this is just me concerned that the series x will not crash like my pro did because i was playing days gone and the game crashed my whole system because it got to hot.
If the reports are accurate then that's your answer. It's pushing out the heat and doing it's job.
The design looks iffy? And you think that monstrosity that is the PS5 is better? Please, don't act as if your opinion isn't extremely biased. You're on the same level as el tormented
Then you had a flawed Pro because I haven't heard of any issues with the Pro and heat causing premature failures. Mine doesn't have any issues and I've had it for years. The fact the XSX IS expelling so much(if reports are accurate) tells you all you need to know about the cooling system. It's doing it's job
the fact that there is heat coming out "violently" says they are not nerfing the speed of the fan /smh
I don't think "violent heat emission" is a selling point for a console. That cooling system sounds FUBAR'd. You can't hear the fan, yet the heat is off the charts.
well it was a French guy that used that word and they are known to be a little dramatic :D
I am part French BTW so that is not a slight. French (and all Latin based languages) tend to be more expressive in nature. English (which is Germanic based) tends to be more facts based
edit: I would be more worried if I could not hear the fan and there was no heat being felt
damn and i was gonna be carrying my serious X around in my hands when i game HaH
but hey thats 12.15 tera flops v 9.28 tiny flops for ya
cows mad disease
will you stop saying 9.28 teraflops its a proven to be wrong. it only throttles a 9.28 if the game is not using the all of the gpu or cpu. like when playing a ps4 game.
but games like the new god of war or any next gen game will have that ps5 throttled up to 10.28 teraflops.
look it up. do some research before saying non sense.
it boosts the performance on the GPU side of things and lowers the performance on the CPU side of things when needed IIRC.
Think of it as having two garden hoses hooked up to a Y valve so that they use one tap. Both will not do full pressure at the same time so in order to get more pressure out of one hose you have to restrict what is going into the other hose.
So if the GPU needs to hit the max (10.28?) then the CPU will have to clock down. If the CPU needs to get max power draw then the GPU will have to clock down (smart shift). This is a smart technology but it also could provide bottle necks farther down in the console lifecycle as developers will have to decide where to trim out stuff in order to make it work. Right now I do not think any games being released in the 1st year for either console will take full advantage of their architecture.
nope again look it up the cpu and gpu can run at its max setting at the same time. if the gpu needs more then yes it will lower cpu to help out the gpu. its when the gpu is going over its max or cpu that they can help each other.
smartshift looks at how many power-hungry operations are in the pipeline on both CPU and GPU side, predict power usage and only downscale when the total power footprint is exceeded.
The CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course the GPU power budget is the larger of the two. If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU. That's what AMD calls SmartShift. There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower.
How boost will influence game design remains to be seen, but it seems like all games will always get boosted frequencies. Mark Cerny did confirm that the PlayStation 5 devkits featured locked profiles to help developers optimize their games, but these performance profiles will not be found in the actual console so that all games will always be able to take advantage of the additional power.
see its the fact that all the parts in the series x are on top of each other literally lol. it might be pushing out the hot air but the fact is will it be enough for the crumbed in parts system. is it going to enough to get the heat out fast enough.
not saying the series x looks bad just looks a bit iffy with its design. if the external ssd expansion is getting so hot to even touch then it might be to hot to function right a year later without getting the fan to run at its max the entire time.
my ps4 pro died because it got to hot that's all im saying. i should of said series x might be the new ps pro.
now im stuck playing on my base ps 4 until i send my pro to get fixed.
sony ps4 pro is the worse console design ever so this is no cow rant. this is just me concerned that the series x will not crash like my pro did because i was playing days gone and the game crashed my whole system because it got to hot.
If the reports are accurate then that's your answer. It's pushing out the heat and doing it's job.
The design looks iffy? And you think that monstrosity that is the PS5 is better? Please, don't act as if your opinion isn't extremely biased. You're on the same level as el tormented
Then you had a flawed Pro because I haven't heard of any issues with the Pro and heat causing premature failures. Mine doesn't have any issues and I've had it for years. The fact the XSX IS expelling so much(if reports are accurate) tells you all you need to know about the cooling system. It's doing it's job
ps5 looks like it can breath more thats all.
no issues with the pro? look it up it will surprise you how many crashed.
just because you had no issues does not mean its not real.
the fact that there is heat coming out "violently" says they are not nerfing the speed of the fan /smh
I don't think "violent heat emission" is a selling point for a console. That cooling system sounds FUBAR'd. You can't hear the fan, yet the heat is off the charts.
well it was a French guy that used that word and they are known to be a little dramatic :D
I am part French BTW so that is not a slight. French (and all Latin based languages) tend to be more expressive in nature. English (which is Germanic based) tends to be more facts based
edit: I would be more worried if I could not hear the fan and there was no heat being felt
difference between feeling the heat come out and the system its self feels so hot to even touch it which means the system it self is hot. it might be fine just the fact the plastic is that hot. the ps4 was that hot to touch on some games and a year later it became a jet engine. still works but its loud.
wait until your series x gets dusty on the fan. it might be the next jet engine.
damn and i was gonna be carrying my serious X around in my hands when i game HaH
but hey thats 12.15 tera flops v 9.28 tiny flops for ya
cows mad disease
will you stop saying 9.28 teraflops its a proven to be wrong. it only throttles a 9.28 if the game is not using the all of the gpu or cpu. like when playing a ps4 game.
but games like the new god of war or any next gen game will have that ps5 throttled up to 10.28 teraflops.
look it up. do some research before saying non sense.
it boosts the performance on the GPU side of things and lowers the performance on the CPU side of things when needed IIRC.
Think of it as having two garden hoses hooked up to a Y valve so that they use one tap. Both will not do full pressure at the same time so in order to get more pressure out of one hose you have to restrict what is going into the other hose.
So if the GPU needs to hit the max (10.28?) then the CPU will have to clock down. If the CPU needs to get max power draw then the GPU will have to clock down (smart shift). This is a smart technology but it also could provide bottle necks farther down in the console lifecycle as developers will have to decide where to trim out stuff in order to make it work. Right now I do not think any games being released in the 1st year for either console will take full advantage of their architecture.
nope again look it up the cpu and gpu can run at its max setting at the same time. if the gpu needs more then yes it will lower cpu to help out the gpu. its when the gpu is going over its max or cpu that they can help each other.
smartshift looks at how many power-hungry operations are in the pipeline on both CPU and GPU side, predict power usage and only downscale when the total power footprint is exceeded.
The CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course the GPU power budget is the larger of the two. If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU. That's what AMD calls SmartShift. There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower.
How boost will influence game design remains to be seen, but it seems like all games will always get boosted frequencies. Mark Cerny did confirm that the PlayStation 5 devkits featured locked profiles to help developers optimize their games, but these performance profiles will not be found in the actual console so that all games will always be able to take advantage of the additional power.
https://www.wepc.com/news/ps5-gpu-cpu-boost/
another site
from the 2nd link
Cerny states: “The CPU and GPU each have a power budget, of course, the GPU power budget is the larger of the two. If the CPU doesn’t use its power budget – for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz – then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU. That’s what AMD calls SmartShift. There’s enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn’t the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower.”
That is all fine and good the problem is his language is confusing. If they both can run at maximum of 3.5 and 2.23 GHZ at the same time (which is fine) but then he states that if the CPU is not using the power budget it can be shifted to the GPU. Why would you need to shift it to the GPU if it already is capable of maximum without it? Wouldn't that mean that extra power could then boost the clocks of the GPU even further?
I think it comes down to an Engineer trying to explain things to people in normal language and missing the mark.
Here is the breakdown of the TF in the PS5 GPU at max settings btw.
36 cu x 64 x 2230mhz = 5,137,920 flops x 2 /1,000,000 = 10.23 TF
no issues with the pro? look it up it will surprise you how many crashed.
just because you had no issues does not mean its not real.
I don't need to look it up. All electronics have issues with a small % of manufactured units. The Pro didn't have a widespread issue and I'd be willing to bet it's well within the acceptable range for consoles.
I remember me and a couple of others saying that this thing was going to be hot and our concerns were dismissed. Predictably, it seems we were correct in our assumption. Will the console melt down? Probably not. But it's not good either.
@Sevenizz: i think there's something wrong with you, mentally. why can't you leave politics out of this forum? you keep shoehorning these stupid comments. do you need a hug?
so missing out on ratchet and clank, demon souls, grand 7, godfall, god of war 2021.
fact is sony first party even games like hzd2 up to ps5 graphic fidelity. you know they have taking the time on the ps5 version that is not just boost mode of the ps4 version. it will look next gen.
there is no way im playing hzd2 on my base ps4.
so far only 2 first party games are cross gen. miles and hzd2. the rest you will miss out on.
2021 will be sony best first year of any next gen console.
so many games coming in 2020 and 2021.
but having miles on the ps4 at launch will give you time to get your hands on a ps5 in 2020 or 2021.
I own Demon Souls on PS3 and I have no desire to replay it again. But you are right, I'll be missing out Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on release....for now at least until Sony stops supporting PS4 and plus, I wanna wait until Sony builds up the library of exclusives before I jump to PS5. Don't worry, I'll support your precious PS5 when Sony stops supporting PS4. But of course, its no secret that Horizon: Forbidden West will come to PC.
so missing out on ratchet and clank, demon souls, grand 7, godfall, god of war 2021.
fact is sony first party even games like hzd2 up to ps5 graphic fidelity. you know they have taking the time on the ps5 version that is not just boost mode of the ps4 version. it will look next gen.
there is no way im playing hzd2 on my base ps4.
so far only 2 first party games are cross gen. miles and hzd2. the rest you will miss out on.
2021 will be sony best first year of any next gen console.
so many games coming in 2020 and 2021.
but having miles on the ps4 at launch will give you time to get your hands on a ps5 in 2020 or 2021.
I own Demon Souls on PS3 and I have no desire to replay it again. But you are right, I'll be missing out Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on release....for now at least until Sony stops supporting PS4 and plus, I wanna wait until Sony builds up the library of exclusives before I jump to PS5. Don't worry, I'll support your precious PS5 when Sony stops supporting PS4. But of course, its no secret that Horizon: Forbidden West will come to PC.
From this thread alone, I can tell a lot of people in here don't have a lot of experience with Mid to High Range PCs built for gaming/streaming. It looks like the Series X cooling system is doing it's job. It's supposed to exhaust heat. Heat doesn't just disappear. It's generated and needs to go somewhere.
You ever see those All-In-One coolers for CPUs? Yeah those CPUs are kept cool but the heat that goes to the radiator and is blown away by the fans has to go somewhere right....like out of the case. Just like NVIDIAs blower design for the 3080 and other cards. Heat is always there no matter what. The goal is to get it out of the case and keep the system cool.
1. exhausting a ton of heat does not indicate the heat within is under control. It may be, but that isn't evidence the cooling is sifficient - just that the device is operating
2. the level of heat may or may not be "ideal". The exact same hardware may have been able to run with better thermals in a better-breathing layout and case where the chips aren't in a thermal feedback loop warming each other up
IMO, waving one's hand and saying "eh, high end hardware gets hot" is a bit glib. It might be perfectly fine - probably is, but we don't really know at this point. It could certainly indicate the device is engineered to run dangerously close to its thermal limits
With my windows closed in my room, my PC makes a bit of warmth. But it is not blazingly hot, and it is also very quiet.
Now I don't know if these Frenchmen are exaggerating, but if the console is "too hot to handle" in the literal sense, then that might be an actual problem.
until digital foundry says it gets excessively hot.....its not excessively hot
facts
hah
you know digital foundry most impressed and most wanted game next gen title so far is demon souls? so are they right about that or only when it comes to your system temperature?
well look at that. I bet the series x is going to be the new 360. the xbox one x was such a good made console i hope they don't go back wards this gen and have another red ring of death going on.
I knoooow! Here's hoping they avoid another billion dollar mistake like RROD.
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