Forbes -- Why Steve Jobs Deserves Credit as a Video Game Pioneer

So what makes the opinions of forum going gamers more relevant than those of industry professionals? The percentage of people who voted for Steve Jobs really was quite high, unquestionably, out of the range of statistical error high. It wasn't even close.musicalmac

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]So what makes the opinions of forum going gamers more relevant than those of industry professionals? The percentage of people who voted for Steve Jobs really was quite high, unquestionably, out of the range of statistical error high. It wasn't even close.Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]So what makes the opinions of forum going gamers more relevant than those of industry professionals? The percentage of people who voted for Steve Jobs really was quite high, unquestionably, out of the range of statistical error high. It wasn't even close.millerlight89

I don't actually understand the topic here, or his responses, they don't seem to add any discussion to the system war nor do they add any discussion to the thread either.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="musicalmac"]So what makes the opinions of forum going gamers more relevant than those of industry professionals? The percentage of people who voted for Steve Jobs really was quite high, unquestionably, out of the range of statistical error high. It wasn't even close.millerlight89

So what makes the opinions of forum going gamers more relevant than those of industry professionals? The percentage of people who voted for Steve Jobs really was quite high, unquestionably, out of the range of statistical error high. It wasn't even close.musicalmac

The fact industry professionals have slightly different interests than forum going gamers? As in, one is interested in fun stuff like "quality design" and "immersion", while the other is interested in fun stuff like "monetization" and "market exploitation".

Calling Steve Jobs (AKA "Apple/iOS if Steve Jobs hadn't just died, because calling the guy who was actually against the App Store once upon a time a gaming pioneer is regoddamndiculous") a gaming pioneer is a perfectly reasonable position because the App Store model has definitely had (and will continue to have) a profound effect on the industry, but by doing so you're counting yourself among the people who would call Zynga a gaming pioneer for creating mindless, vapid Facebook games and making a f***-ton of money off it.

steve jobs had nothing to do with videogames when he was alive but when he died he's now all of a sudden a video game pioneer? i never seen him at E3 or a major gaming expo, come on now

Oh gawd. :lol:

Yeah, no. I agree that the iPhone has changed the mobile gaming space but consoles? Nope.

I have one question for you all. How is Steve more influential than Bill gates on gaming? alanwakee

[QUOTE="alanwakee"]I have one question for you all. How is Steve more influential than Bill gates on gaming? The_Game21x

And Steve Perlman! ^_^

I'm just trying to shake things up a little here in SW. As it is with any "generation," the older it get, the more SW begins to lose it's pop.

We are the gamers. The ones that buy the games.Rikusaki

Don't advise going down this road.

I don't see why he even posted this in a forum for people to share their opinions if he is going to belittle the "forum gamers." It's A OK though because he is a mod.millerlight89

What are talking about? Are you so sensitive that you can't stop and think objectively about a very basic question?

I don't actually understand the topic here, or his responses, they don't seem to add any discussion to the system war nor do they add any discussion to the thread either.

GD1551

Oh I think you do understand. Things are so much more interesting when people are simply honest. Give it a go.

Threads like these are the only kind of threads that generate responses like these, responses like it's common knowledge that Apple had nothing to do with gaming. Well, the very people that are responsible for creating the games you all play are the ones who did the voting. Maybe the pill is too bitter, I don't know. What I do know is that nobody has taken a real crack at objectively breaking down reasons why Steve Jobs and Apple aren't a major player in gaming and the direction the video game world is headed in. It's all just boring old typical hyperbole and dismissive, self-righteous nonsense.

Anyone?

Im sorry but thats a load of horse ****. Yes, the man died and he did a lot for the tech world but to label him a messiah in everything is ******* stupid. He wasn't a video game pioneer in any sense. Nonstop-Madness

reasons why Steve Jobs and Apple aren't a major player in gaming and the direction the video game world is headed in.

Anyone?

musicalmac

The gaming world isn't heading in that direction. As you can see from posts in this very thread, it's obviously not for everyone.

Why not? Everyone keeps saying that, but nobody is explaining themselves. How boring!musicalmac

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]Im sorry but thats a load of horse ****. Yes, the man died and he did a lot for the tech world but to label him a messiah in everything is ******* stupid. He wasn't a video game pioneer in any sense. musicalmac

The gaming world isn't heading in that direction. As you can see from posts in this very thread, it's obviously not for everyone.

Rikusaki

What games did he make? foxhound_fox

Why simply create a game when you can change the way in which they are created, distributed, and enjoyed? Why simply create a game when you can create new kinds of gamers? Why simply create a game when you can fundamentally shift the gaming universe? This is what Apple has done. Hard-core PC and console gamers will continue to exist in the foreseeable future, and games will be made available for them in the foreseeable future. However, anyone who identifies as a hard-core gamer is, as I said before, in the vast, vast minority.

I would encourage all of us to continue to look at these things objectively, and not selfishly or subjectively. What the proverbial "you" wants is very often is not in line with reality. The reality is there are more non-gamer gamers than there are "true-gamer" gamers.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

Another example: "Micheal Jackson was the greatest artist of all time!"

They say that they aren't giving credit because he died but they actually are. Same deal with Michael Jackson

MacBoomStick

Except Michael Jackson was already considered one of the most influential musicians before his death. All his death changed was more people considered "Child Molester" jokes to be in bad taste.

A better comparison would be Heath Ledger winning the Oscar.

I hardly consider Jobs a "Video Game Pioneer" though. Yeah, the iPhone and iPad have become important parts of this generation, but I can't shake the feeling that Jobs got the nod over everyone riding on the wave of people being emotional over his death.

His death was a part of it, but Apple has been paving the future for a while. Steve Jobs is absolutely huge because the iPhone and iPad are the future. They are not the present, but we are going to get to a point where we can have the power of the best PC on the current market in a mobile phone that will also be able to stream information to an television. Everything is going to be possible on a tablet or a small mobile device that can synch to many other devices wirelessly. Jobs deserves credit because he was starting to pave the way. Regardless of whether or not you see his significance to the market now, we will in the next few years.

That's my opinion. He's done a lot for gaming, but we'll have to wait a little longer to see an Apple device that does everything better than anything else. And even if its not apple but Google and Samsung, you can bet Apple paved the way and showed them how to do it right.

Oh I think you do understand. Things are so much more interesting when people are simply honest. Give it a go.

Threads like these are the only kind of threads that generate responses like these, responses like it's common knowledge that Apple had nothing to do with gaming. Well, the very people that are responsible for creating the games you all play are the ones who did the voting. Maybe the pill is too bitter, I don't know. What I do know is that nobody has taken a real crack at objectively breaking down reasons why Steve Jobs and Apple aren't a major player in gaming and the direction the video game world is headed in. It's all just boring old typical hyperbole and dismissive, self-righteous nonsense.

Anyone?

musicalmac

It's simple as this. Creating a platform that allows for game distribution doesn't make you a VG pioneer. If that were the case, then whoever invented programming languages and created the PC deserve credit as VG pioneers as well. Even with that the thread doesn't do anything for the system wars game, there's no system involved here that we can bash or praise.

This saddens me greatly. When I hear 'video game pioneer,' I think of beautiful works of art such as:

Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy X, Shadow of the Colossus...

What's this crap? Steve Jobs, a video game pioneer? This is an insult to gaming.

Those "experts" can say all they want about pc/consoles dying, they never will. At most the market size will drop to a small fraction of what it currently is but console/pc gaming will never truly die.Moriarity_

His death was a part of it, but Apple has been paving the future for a while. Steve Jobs is absolutely huge because the iPhone and iPad are the future. They are not the present, but we are going to get to a point where we can have the power of the best PC on the current market in a mobile phone that will also be able to stream information to an television. Everything is going to be possible on a tablet or a small mobile device that can synch to many other devices wirelessly. Jobs deserves credit because he was starting to pave the way. Regardless of whether or not you see his significance to the market now, we will in the next few years.

That's my opinion. He's done a lot for gaming, but we'll have to wait a little longer to see an Apple device that does everything better than anything else. And even if its not apple but Google and Samsung, you can bet Apple paved the way and showed them how to do it right.

RandomWinner

This saddens me greatly. When I hear 'video game pioneer,' I think of beautiful works of art such as:

Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy X, Shadow of the Collossus...

What's this crap? Steve Jobs, a video game pioneer? This is an insult to gaming.

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"][QUOTE="musicalmac"] That comparison isn't logical.Lionheart08

Except Michael Jackson was already considered one of the most influential musicians before his death. All his death changed was more people considered "Child Molester" jokes to be in bad taste.

A better comparison would be Heath Ledger winning the Oscar.

I hardly consider Jobs a "Video Game Pioneer" though. Yeah, the iPhone and iPad have become important parts of this generation, but I can't shake the feeling that Jobs got the nod over everyone riding on the wave of people being emotional over his death.

Bingo.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]

Oh I think you do understand. Things are so much more interesting when people are simply honest. Give it a go.

Threads like these are the only kind of threads that generate responses like these, responses like it's common knowledge that Apple had nothing to do with gaming. Well, the very people that are responsible for creating the games you all play are the ones who did the voting. Maybe the pill is too bitter, I don't know. What I do know is that nobody has taken a real crack at objectively breaking down reasons why Steve Jobs and Apple aren't a major player in gaming and the direction the video game world is headed in. It's all just boring old typical hyperbole and dismissive, self-righteous nonsense.

Anyone?

GD1551

It's simple as this. Creating a platform that allows for game distribution doesn't make you a VG pioneer. If that were the case, then whoever invented programming languages and created the PC deserve credit as VG pioneers as well. Even with that the thread doesn't do anything for the system wars game, there's no system involved here that we can bash or praise.

This.

If we're just going by popularity, the creator of Flash application would be a more pioneer than Steve Jobs is and ever will be.

Whoever made the appstore and the whole idea behind the iPhone really deserves credit. If it was Steve, then he really is a great video game pioneer, despite not being an actual gamer

Why simply create a game when you can change the way in which they are created, distributed, and enjoyed? Why simply create a game when you can create new kinds of gamers? Why simply create a game when you can fundamentally shift the gaming universe? This is what Apple has done. Hard-core PC and console gamers will continue to exist in the foreseeable future, and games will be made available for them in the foreseeable future. However, anyone who identifies as a hard-core gamer is, as I said before, in the vast, vast minority.

I would encourage all of us to continue to look at these things objectively, and not selfishly or subjectively. What the proverbial "you" wants is very often is not in line with reality. The reality is there are more non-gamer gamers than there are "true-gamer" gamers.

musicalmac

I can see where people are coming from, we get it, it's cool you can DL some disposable game for $1 anywhere and very easy. But did he pioneer music or the way we get our music? You wouldn't say he is a music pioneer, that would go to the creative artists out there who make content so that you can enjoy on his platform. Same with video games.

More like a... software acquirement pioneer...

RIP Steve Jobs, great man, great vision, but no video game pioneer.

Well he was the first person to show off the first Halo at macworld in 1999 so i guess he did something :P

Albit how won most influential ill never know :?

Why simply create a game when you can change the way in which they are created, distributed, and enjoyed? Why simply create a game when you can create new kinds of gamers? Why simply create a game when you can fundamentally shift the gaming universe? This is what Apple has done. Hard-core PC and console gamers will continue to exist in the foreseeable future, and games will be made available for them in the foreseeable future. However, anyone who identifies as a hard-core gamer is, as I said before, in the vast, vast minority.I would encourage all of us to continue to look at these things objectively, and not selfishly or subjectively. What the proverbial "you" wants is very often is not in line with reality. The reality is there are more non-gamer gamers than there are "true-gamer" gamers.musicalmac

The future of gaming is in the cloud.

The future is not on one specific deivce, but all devices big and small.

Rikusaki

Someone has to be paying you.

Jobs didn't do anything to "pioneer" in gaming. He just opened the doors for a flood of simple, cheap, money-generators.foxhound_fox

Nailed it! Well said.

So what makes the opinions of forum going gamers more relevant than those of industry professionals? The percentage of people who voted for Steve Jobs really was quite high, unquestionably, out of the range of statistical error high. It wasn't even close.musicalmac

The survey was more geared towards indie developers and asking them what was their biggest influence in gaming (to get them to where they're at now) and they answered appropriately, as the iOS store has been beneficial for that. In terms of us gamers, the one that go on the forums, Steve Jobs is pretty irrelevant to gaming. when compared to the likes of Miyamoto, Newell, Levine, Kojima, etc. He's not really comparable at all in terms of overall influence.

Edit + Off-Topic: Also if anyone deserves credit for anything, it's Dennis Ritchie. Both Jobs and Ritchie's deaths were sad, but I can't believe how no one cared about Ritchie's death considering he arguably did as much as jobs did, if not more, for the computing world.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

The future of gaming is in the cloud.

The future is not on one specific deivce, but all devices big and small.

hakanakumono

Someone has to be paying you.

I don't think there is any denial that portable gaming will provide the best gaming experience in the future but right now, we are far from there. And by portable gaming, I don't mean tablets or smart phones. Until we can fit a monster rig of gaming machine into a pair of glasses and having a dedicated game pad connected to it, there's no way it can provide a better gaming experience than our conventional desktops or gaming consoles.

Just because many people buy a lot cheap games on tablet, Steve Jobs suddenly became a pioneer of the gaming industry. How ridiculous! Flash games existed on home computers for more than a decade already, what makes gaming on tablet so much more exciting? Steve Jobs just made a portable weak but expensive computer, nothing more.

Let the business people worship how Steve Jobs made a product that people are willing to selling their souls in order to get one. As a gamer, I couldn't care less how popular any device is, I only want the best gaming experience. Try to pioneer a better gaming experience instead of ripping more money from people please!

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

The future of gaming is in the cloud.

The future is not on one specific deivce, but all devices big and small.

BrunoBRS

Wasn't the poll made by gaming executives ? It makes sense then, mobile gaming is the new hot thing now, so executives are eating it up. Mark Zuckerberg was also very high on that list.

Still, with both of them it's just weird to include people for something they didn't take part in. They just created enviorements that devs exploited successfully. I don't think any self-respecting developer would ever name them ahead of Miyamoto, but for executives it makes sense I guess.

Still, while admiting influence of Jobs and Zuckerberg is fine andall but whoever named as THE most influential person in gaming is simply a fool. No way around it.

"just look at his humble clothing! he wore a turtleneck, jeans, and tennis shoes instead of suits like that arrogant capitalist oligarch bill gates! he's a really down-to-earth guy!" (then he refuses early medical treatment of his cancer for the sake of his company and cuts the donor line for an organ transplant when his cancer gets worse)princeofshapeir

Tell me one game for ipad/iphones that is worth mentioning. All they are doing is speculating about how the future will be but the question was who influenced the most not who will in a near future. Jobs getting the credits because some crappy games run on his phones is l;ike giving credits to Bill Gates because so many games run on windows. The later deserves much more if that's the case.

I'm sorry but giving that tittle to Jobs is an insult to a lot of great names who actually contributed to the industry.