The reviews I watched said the game is only about 9 hours in length. It is also a 2D sidescroller. No idea how or why this is priced at $59.99. Only Nintendo can get away with that.
As an outsider of the genre, this is an excellent point.
Why pay £50+ when can pick up shit like Hollow Knight or Ori for about 1/5 of that price?
In the old landscape sure. But now Nintendo have direct competitors in the genre, and good ones. Arguably better from what i've read offering substantially higher value.
The reviews I watched said the game is only about 9 hours in length. It is also a 2D sidescroller. No idea how or why this is priced at $59.99. Only Nintendo can get away with that.
As an outsider of the genre, this is an excellent point.
Why pay £50+ when can pick up shit like Hollow Knight or Ori for about 1/5 of that price?
In the old landscape sure. But now Nintendo have direct competitors in the genre, and good ones. Arguably better from what i've read offering substantially higher value.
Yet your average IGN shill and Nintendo fanboy =
Ownership of Metroid isnt mutually exclusive with ownership of Hollow Knight. And vice versa.
Both games are just superb. And there is nothing wrong with a game being 9 hours long, in fact, around 9 hours is the ideal time for a single player game.
Ownership of Metroid isnt mutually exclusive with ownership of Hollow Knight. And vice versa.
Both games are just superb. And there is nothing wrong with a game being 9 hours long, in fact, around 9 hours is the ideal time for a single player game.
And that also goes for RPGs.
There's also nothing wrong with comparing it to a competitor in the same genre when it comes to quality/value. It's beneficial.
In that regard, Hollow Knight specifically, appears to completely obliterate this title.
Had Hollow Knight simply had the brand "Nintendo" on it, it's price probably would skyrocket by virtue of merely having that tag.
It's like trainers (or sneakers as Americanos incorrectly call them) where one pair is the exact same shit as Adidas, but the other pair is called "Adidas", so you're expected to pay 6 times that by default. Or the kids at school will imply you're poor.
Ownership of Metroid isnt mutually exclusive with ownership of Hollow Knight. And vice versa.
Both games are just superb. And there is nothing wrong with a game being 9 hours long, in fact, around 9 hours is the ideal time for a single player game.
And that also goes for RPGs.
There's also nothing wrong with comparing it to a competitor in the same genre when it comes to quality/value. It's beneficial.
In that regard, Hollow Knight specifically, appears to completely obliterate this title.
Had Hollow Knight simply had the brand "Nintendo" on it, it's price probably would skyrocket by virtue of merely having that tag.
It's like trainers (or sneakers as Americanos incorrectly call them) where one pair is the exact same shit as Adidas, but the other pair is called "Adidas", so you're expected to pay 6 times that by default. Or the kids at school will imply you're poor.
I havent played Dread yet, but Super Metroid had arguably the highest skill ceiling of any Metroidvania I have played. And to be frank, that is what I am looking for.
And the free market has spoken. Metroid dread is selling really well. The right price is what hte market is willing to pay for it.
The reviews I watched said the game is only about 9 hours in length. It is also a 2D sidescroller. No idea how or why this is priced at $59.99. Only Nintendo can get away with that.
As an outsider of the genre, this is an excellent point.
Why pay £50+ when can pick up shit like Hollow Knight or Ori for about 1/5 of that price?
In the old landscape sure. But now Nintendo have direct competitors in the genre, and good ones. Arguably better from what i've read offering substantially higher value.
Yet your average IGN shill and Nintendo fanboy =
Ownership of Metroid isnt mutually exclusive with ownership of Hollow Knight. And vice versa.
Both games are just superb. And there is nothing wrong with a game being 9 hours long, in fact, around 9 hours is the ideal time for a single player game.
And that also goes for RPGs.
It's still a good point that there have been a whack-ton of excellent 2D metroidvania titles coming out in the past 5 years priced less than half of what Dread costs.
It's still a good point that there have been a whack-ton of excellent 2D metroidvania titles coming out in the past 5 years priced less than half of what Dread costs.
Not really, it would all depend on the production cost.
Not that I would be opposed to a pure 2d metroid game with beautiful handdrawn graphics. And a lower price point.
Ownership of Metroid isnt mutually exclusive with ownership of Hollow Knight. And vice versa.
Both games are just superb. And there is nothing wrong with a game being 9 hours long, in fact, around 9 hours is the ideal time for a single player game.
And that also goes for RPGs.
There's also nothing wrong with comparing it to a competitor in the same genre when it comes to quality/value. It's beneficial.
In that regard, Hollow Knight specifically, appears to completely obliterate this title.
Had Hollow Knight simply had the brand "Nintendo" on it, it's price probably would skyrocket by virtue of merely having that tag.
It's like trainers (or sneakers as Americanos incorrectly call them) where one pair is the exact same shit as Adidas, but the other pair is called "Adidas", so you're expected to pay 6 times that by default. Or the kids at school will imply you're poor.
This just isn't true. Metroid is a several decades old franchise with a lot of deep lore behind it. The story in Hollow Knight can't even compare to Dread. Metroid: Dread does virtually everything better than Hollow Knight, and I really like Hollow Knight a lot.
For people discussing how long the game is, it's no shorter than the campaign of most shooters. It's no shorter than RE VIII. And I had way more fun beating Dread the first time I am doing a second full playthrough of it. I may even do a third. Dread is a game a lot of people are going to speed run.
I also have no completed Hollow Knight. At some point, you just want to be done with the story. If it drones on and on, it gets boring, and I lose interest. There's a perfect length to a single player campaign and I've stated on here many times I believed that to be under 10 hours. 6-8 hours feels perfect.
It's still a good point that there have been a whack-ton of excellent 2D metroidvania titles coming out in the past 5 years priced less than half of what Dread costs.
Not really, it would all depend on the production cost.
Not that I would be opposed to a pure 2d metroid game with beautiful handdrawn graphics. And a lower price point.
It really doesn't. Not at all. Especially in this genre when a team of just a few people can create an extremely fun 2d metroid experience.
Looking forward to playing Dread, but based on my gaming experiences in the past decade I strongly reject your assertion there.
(edit: maybe I misunderstood you post and you are saying the price is a result of production costs, which makes sense. I was thinking: fun is not proportional to production costs)
Ownership of Metroid isnt mutually exclusive with ownership of Hollow Knight. And vice versa.
Both games are just superb. And there is nothing wrong with a game being 9 hours long, in fact, around 9 hours is the ideal time for a single player game.
And that also goes for RPGs.
There's also nothing wrong with comparing it to a competitor in the same genre when it comes to quality/value. It's beneficial.
In that regard, Hollow Knight specifically, appears to completely obliterate this title.
Had Hollow Knight simply had the brand "Nintendo" on it, it's price probably would skyrocket by virtue of merely having that tag.
It's like trainers (or sneakers as Americanos incorrectly call them) where one pair is the exact same shit as Adidas, but the other pair is called "Adidas", so you're expected to pay 6 times that by default. Or the kids at school will imply you're poor.
This just isn't true. Metroid is a several decades old franchise with a lot of deep lore behind it. The story in Hollow Knight can't even compare to Dread. Metroid: Dread does virtually everything better than Hollow Knight, and I really like Hollow Knight a lot.
For people discussing how long the game is, it's no shorter than the campaign of most shooters. It's no shorter than RE VIII. And I had way more fun beating Dread the first time I am doing a second full playthrough of it. I may even do a third. Dread is a game a lot of people are going to speed run.
I also have no completed Hollow Knight. At some point, you just want to be done with the story. If it drones on and on, it gets boring, and I lose interest. There's a perfect length to a single player campaign and I've stated on here many times I believed that to be under 10 hours. 6-8 hours feels perfect.
While happily acknowledge what someone wants from a product is subjective, and suspect "story" is probably a minority, the aspect of price/time can be quantitively measured with Hollow Knight and directly compared. And I stand by my comment that this is up-priced purely because "Nintendo".
The "free market" line gets used a lot as an auto-get-out-Jail, But it doesn't actually mean "free from scrutiny".
If we put heroin legally on the market (which is quite morish) and sold it for 5 times the price it is right now, probably sell exceptionally well. Indicting people, really fucking like heroin.
That wouldn't stop it being "bullshit".
Overall, Nintendo is a exploitive company with a demonic like cult following, getting away with practices other obscure smaller developers would be lambasted for.
It really doesn't. Not at all. Especially in this genre when a team of just a few people can create an extremely fun 2d metroid experience.
Looking forward to playing Dread, but based on my gaming experiences in the past decade I strongly reject your assertion there.
I base my knowledge from my understanding of industrial economics.
@uninspiredcup said:
While happily acknowledge what someone wants from a product is subjective, and suspect "story" is probably a minority, the aspect of price/time can be quantitively measured with Hollow Knight and directly compared. And I stand by my comment that this is up-priced purely because "Nintendo".
The "free market" line gets used a lot as an auto-get-out-Jail, But it doesn't actually mean "free from scrutiny".
If we put heroin legally on the market (which is quite morish) and sold it for 5 times the price it is right now, probably sell exceptionally well. Indicting people, really fucking like heroin.
That wouldn't stop it being "bullshit".
Overall, Nintendo is a exploitive company with a demonic like cult following, getting away with practices other obscure smaller developers would be lambasted for.
Price/Time is a terrible metric. And if you disagree with that, I suggest you apply for a job at Blizzard Entertainment. A large part of why FF14 is more successful than WoW right now comes down to exactly this.
What is more important is the overall engagement. Hollow Knight does a phenomenal job with this though. So I am not jabbing HK by any means. But I really don't like the playtime metric at all, I am pretty sure my fun per hour will be higher in Metroid Dread. Do I think Metroid Dread will end up being the better product over HK? Probably not, its price point and length will hold it back from achieving just that. But from everything I have seen, Metroid Dread looks like an absolute gem.
"If we put heroin legally on the market (which is quite morish) and sold it for 5 times the price it is right now, probably sell exceptionally well. Indicting people, really fucking like heroin."
Coca-Cola puts as much sugar as they can in a product that they are legally allowed to in each individual country. They do this to make it more addicting. But that is enough snark for now.
Coca-Cola puts as much sugar as they can in a product that they are legally allowed to, and this varies from country to country. They do this to make it more addicting. But that is enough snark for now.
Not sure what point trying to make here. Just presented a more acceptable version of bad thing that is bad.
The point, which is very simple, is that it's morally dubious. Because people can, and willingly will be exploited, doesn't make it unworthy of scrutiny. That's, generally, exactly what publishers want, and exactly what publishers hate.
Even within the context of that comment "limited", a direct result of scrutiny, limiting (if ever so tepidly) their morally bankrupt reach.
It felt to me like DF was sucky sucky Metroid in their review. Reminds me of every time a new Zelda comes out. No matter how good or bad the game is, if its a mainline Zelda, journos are sucking the shit outta these games.
And while i have nothing against the scores, when DF or somebody else says something like its the best 2D game, i kinda cringe.
Meh, 9 hours sounds fine to me. I’m not one to be too fussed about some arbitrary length of time for a game though. I prefer to be focused on my experience with a game instead. I can thoroughly be satisfied with a short game if I get the feeling that it is a complete enough experience. I can also enjoy a really long game as long as I enjoy all that I’m doing in it without doing a bunch of stuff just to say I spent more time with it.
The reviews I watched said the game is only about 9 hours in length. It is also a 2D sidescroller. No idea how or why this is priced at $59.99. Only Nintendo can get away with that.
@mojito1988: Metroid that low is a sin. Nobody would buy it. $40 is price of crap games that nobody wants. This game will sell 10million+. Heck, they should be charging that Sony tax at $70.
@Pedro: No, Metroid Dread blows Ori out the water visually, aurally, and gameplay wise. Ori is dead now. One hit wonder.
Lol... as much as I'm enjoying Metroid, I still think Ori is better overall (so far anyway, haven't finished Dread yet).
But yes, Dread does look and run very nicely (especially on OLED). And is very fun.
@mysticaldonut said:
The reviews I watched said the game is only about 9 hours in length. It is also a 2D sidescroller. No idea how or why this is priced at $59.99. Only Nintendo can get away with that.
Yeah you're right... only games that have pretty graphics but are boring & padded out with boring filler fetch quests to make it longer to trick you into thinking it's "better" bang for your buck, can be that price. Such a ridiculous argument 🤦♂️🤦♂️
@ConanTheStoner: That was only spot in whole game he saw that. Dude stated it was back ground streaming that caused it. Not the game itself. And he couldn’t replicate it. So good try mate. Now go buy the game and stop faking.
@pc_rocks: You’ll have to look in video. He states best side scroller he has even seen. Also IGN stated it was best side scroller ever. Many other reviewers have stated the same. But don’t mate, you can still like that game even though they say Metroid Dread is best. It’s ok.
@vl4d_l3nin: There are no frame dips. Dude stated it dipped a couple times due to background streaming and couldn’t replicate the issue. He stated the FPS was flawless and a technical wonder.
Yeah you're right... only games that have pretty graphics but are boring & padded out with boring filler fetch quests to make it longer to trick you into thinking it's "better" bang for your buck, can be that price. Such a ridiculous argument 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Sadly this argument is attempting to circumvent Nintendo from potential criticism by augmenting reality.
The argument wasn't just length, but also a measure of critical and public reception, as well as price to that game length and perceived quality within that time frame.
Aesthetics weren't actually brought up. Even though Hollow Knight is obviously, extremely beautiful compared to Dread.
A comparative, measurable, 1/5 the price Nintendo is charging. With a measurable average of 20+ hours game time, with measured public and critical assessment that matches or bests it in most cases.
It would seem, as an impartial outsider, Hollow Knight smokes it.
Of course what matters here, is your opinion. What makes you happy. If you enjoy paying X5 times the price for an inferior experience, but it makes you happy, it's not my place to judge.
@uninspiredcup: Which is why this game is so amazing. Even after the high bar set by Hollow Knight, Metroid Dread destroyed it. Dread is looking to sell 10million on just one platform. Something HK could only dream of on 10 platforms.
I mean come on bro, Hollow Knight sold like 3 million on 10 platforms? Guess wasn’t that good of a deal after all.
@mesome713: Hollow Knight was an indie game with practically no marketing beyond good word of mouth that went on to sell 3+ million copies and be regarded as one of the best (if not the best) in its genre.
Dread is a game in along running franchise well established in the public eye, from the most famous gaming company in the world, renowned for quality.
@uninspiredcup: I take your point, but I never mentioned any specific games... my point was that the perceived notion that because a game is longer and has more realistic graphics, makes it better value for money or is worth more than a shorter game with less realistic graphics, is silly imo.
Like you said, it's personal preference. But it's an interesting topic... for example, I think of a game like Inside which is a 2-3 hour indie game which was relatively cheap compared to a standard "AAA" release. But that game is such a masterpiece and I enjoyed it and got so much pleasure out of it, that to me it was easily worth the price of a full blown AAA game.
Maybe the moral isn't that games like Metroid Dread should be cheaper, but games like Ori & Hollow Knight should be more.
@Pedro: No, Metroid Dread blows Ori out the water visually, aurally, and gameplay wise. Ori is dead now. One hit wonder.
Lol... as much as I'm enjoying Metroid, I still think Ori is better overall (so far anyway, haven't finished Dread yet).
But yes, Dread does look and run very nicely (especially on OLED). And is very fun.
@mysticaldonut said:
The reviews I watched said the game is only about 9 hours in length. It is also a 2D sidescroller. No idea how or why this is priced at $59.99. Only Nintendo can get away with that.
Yeah you're right... only games that have pretty graphics but are boring & padded out with boring filler fetch quests to make it longer to trick you into thinking it's "better" bang for your buck, can be that price. Such a ridiculous argument 🤦♂️🤦♂️
This just isn't true. Metroid is a several decades old franchise with a lot of deep lore behind it. The story in Hollow Knight can't even compare to Dread. Metroid: Dread does virtually everything better than Hollow Knight,
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