Devil May Cry fans destroy brand out of spite

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

Ugh...

If I am to be honest, it's actually a pretty fun game.  And the content would be pretty cringe worthy, if it wasn't so over the top.  They intentionally made the characters like that, so much so that I think they did it to intentionally piss people off.  For example, you can see that when the **** white wig comes out of nowhere.

So the gameplay is fun, no more no less, but everything else is just... stupid.  If I don't want a challenging action game, i'll play god of War, which has amazing content.  Not this pile of crap.  The whole game feels like it was just a slap in the face to the fans of the Capcom of old.

People, really just need to stop feeding this POS company and make them do something drastic.  They don't have the power of activision or EA, so it's possible.

seanmcloughlin

IMO they needed to keep the characters way over the top more. Having Dante act and say stupid sh!t would have worked if they didn't have him doing heart to hearts with Vergil after. It brough a balance, but it wasn't needed. If everything was just dumb fun then it would have worked a lot more. 

That's why shadows of the damned works so well, because it doesn't take itself too seriously and has a lot of fun with how dumb it is sometimes

There is over the top in a good way, and there is over the top in a bad way.  This is the latter.  I could go on for half an hour about how **** stupid the crap in DmC is.  I like shallow gameplay sometimes, if it's tight and fun, so long as the content is also good.  Also, there's no spectacle in DmC.

Shadows of the damned was worse.  At least DmC had tight gameplay.  Suda 51's games may as well have been anime.

what i find so funny is people are always going if you dont like it then dont buy your just the vocal minority and then when nobody bought it everyone starts crying fanboy also heres a qoute that fits that explains this games situation with the fans. The Anti-DmC argument is something like : DmC has downgraded difficulty from the past games, it has less variety in weapons as the previous entries (especially DMC3), has less moves at one time that DMC4 has with some moves doing essentially the same thing, and overall shoddy mechanics (JC window and hitboxes, dodge stuffs, etc). Not to mention some questionable things in the story like Dante changing his entire goal to get laid, and the brothers randomly hating each other because of what seems to be an overstatement, though pretty crudely stated with the humans needing to be protected. Wasn't exactly wrong.

The Pro-DmC argument will then say: Why the **** are you complaining about the hair though? It's the same guy just a little different in ONE department. ****ing fanboy.

what i find so funny is people are always going if you dont like it then dont buy your just the vocal minority and then when nobody bought it everyone starts crying fanboy also heres a qoute that fits that explains this games situation with the fans. The Anti-DmC argument is something like : DmC has downgraded difficulty from the past games, it has less variety in weapons as the previous entries (especially DMC3), has less moves at one time that DMC4 has with some moves doing essentially the same thing, and overall shoddy mechanics (JC window and hitboxes, dodge stuffs, etc). Not to mention some questionable things in the story like Dante changing his entire goal to get laid, and the brothers randomly hating each other because of what seems to be an overstatement, though pretty crudely stated with the humans needing to be protected. Wasn't exactly wrong.

The Pro-DmC argument will then say: Why the **** are you complaining about the hair though? It's the same guy just a little different in ONE department. ****ing fanboy.

Nickmanx5

I don't blame anyone for calling it a horrible mess with no redeeming quality's, because it's certainly not worth playing and it's far easier to say that then to find the good in it.

I can't even imagine how bad Capcom is going to be next gen.  I have a feeling they're going to crash and burn.

Why would I play a **** reboot of a (relatively) good franchise?

Here's what the new DMC does,  it sacrifices all the combat depth of the previous games in order to be "accessible If they were actually good developers they wouldn't of sacrificed any of that depth.

Previous DMC's were accessible despite their depth

New DMC is accessible at the cost of its depth.

GG **** wont be wasting my money on this trash game. If I'm going to spend full price on a game I'm going to spend that on a quality game, not some trash reboot.

DmC is an alright game with abover average combat that has a lot of questionable design choices. It has limited options, and as you get further in the game and expand your options they throw color coded enemies at you and shrink your options yet again. It has a lot of terrible level design using the angel and demon pull mechanics just to justify them being their. And just because the game has a ton of story dialouge going on doesn't mean it's an improvement of the story over the previous games, though in some cases it is.

It's faults come from how seriously it takes itself, the fact that it's rebooted gameplay is worse than the game series it rebooted, the dialouge being terrible, and the designs of the enemies/bosses being less than bad. Ninja Theory has no experience with story or real gameplay, and their focus on designing asthetics first and not caring if the gameplay it resolves around matches shows pretty strongly.

Itsuno commented on working with them with this:

"I remember, during the first stages of development, one of the illustrations we got for a regular enemy had this huge blade on his right elbow," Itsuno said. "It was actually on pretty much all the enemies! Apparently the designer really liked putting blades on people's elbows."

"So we asked how the guy was gonna attack with this blade," Eshiro continued, "and the reply was 'Oh, he doesn't use it much'."

No lock on is bad, auto aim is bad. Aquila is cool, Kablooey is cool, using the ANGELDEMON forms in place of styles is good for having a lower bar of entry of people who want to play high execution action games like DMC3-4, and Bayonetta.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Sucks for all the whiners who neglect to play a great hack and slash game over a cosmetic change. I have played and loved every DMC game (except the non existant DMC2) including this one.

FlamesOfGrey

The combo system isn't even that bad though. The only main changes are the lack of lock on. There is still a dodge, there is still weapon/gun switching, there is still animation/jump cancelling, there are still plenty of different combos to chain together with the weapons. It still even offers a challenge. I am halfway through the game on Son of Sparda Mode and there have been some parts that definitely were not easy. Most people are complaining based off of the demo, which did not have all the weapons/combos available. 

I can understand the gripes with frame rate but that doesn't really apply to me since I have the PC version. It looks and run great, just like the previous entries. The only thing where it is lacking is the boss fights, which even the previous games were not completely consistent in. I see no reason for fans to completely lambast this game and call this a bastardization of the franchise. If you look at Ninja Gaiden 3, THAT is an example of a series going down the crapper.

Me thinks I need to buy the DMC HD collection. I have all but 4 achievements for DmC :P

Why would I play a **** reboot of a (relatively) good franchise?

Here's what the new DMC does,  it sacrifices all the combat depth of the previous games in order to be "accessible If they were actually good developers they wouldn't of sacrificed any of that depth.

Previous DMC's were accessible despite their depth

New DMC is accessible at the cost of its depth.

GG **** wont be wasting my money on this trash game. If I'm going to spend full price on a game I'm going to spend that on a quality game, not some trash reboot.

L0mak

DmC is still a pretty deep game.

DMC is my first devil may cry game, and Iam loving it, it does have it flaws such as enemies that only can take damage from certain weapons, so it ruins the flow of the combat, and ye Dante does look better with white hair, like you get white hair skin after you complete the game. Loved this scene though

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKEczZnUync  

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See this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e23c_HDPo7Y

THAT is Devil May Cry. Bring that back or rot in obscurity.

seanmcloughlin

All I ever see is super good players complaining about the new combos or combat. Honestly when I played Devil May Cry in the past I always stuck to the basic combos because it was daunting to get really good at it. 

It's just me but the new system, while very dumbed down, fits an audience like myself who don't have the time or desire to be really really good at it. I just want to sit down and play and not have to think much. 

I understand the hate for the combat but it's not that bad. You want good combat then play DMC 3 or 4. They're still there

The game was very good. Poor thing that gamers nowadays don't like good games.ShadowDeathX

Next time Crapcom, finish what you started before you decide it needs a reboot.  Don't just abandon it.  The old DMC universe still had life in it and the storyline hadn't come to a definite conclusion.  I couldn't care less if this game was "pretty good", the fact of the matter is they rebooted it and it was uncalled for.   That's pretty much why people are pissed.   

It's always our fault somehow. We pay, we're suckers for buying into bad business practices; keep our wallets shut, and we're spoiled entitled gamers destroying brands.

Never mind that lots of feedback was given prior to release.

Never mind that Capcom cranked out what people wanted as priced DLC right after release.

I bought the game day 1, but I can totally understand where people are coming from.

LOL.

"Vote with your wallet", isn't that it, you half-witted industry cretins?

Next time Crapcom, finish what you started before you decide it needs a reboot.  Don't just abandon it.  The old DMC universe still had life in it and the storyline hadn't come to a definite conclusion.  I couldn't care less if this game was "pretty good", the fact of the matter is they rebooted it and it was uncalled for.   That's pretty much why people are pissed.   

Crossel777

I'm always confused when people state their interest in the poorly-translated and horribly-acted farce that was the original DMC "story". Sure, DmC's narrative was nothing special, especially compared to Ninja Theory's previous work, but it's leagues ahead of anything Capcom could hope to accomplish in that department. 

You still don't make sense.. So because not every player is an expert then you butcher the combat system for a much simpler less rewarding one? Most DMC players are good enough to know the difference between a good combat system and trash in comparison.

Douevenlift_bro

I already stated that they didn't have to dumb it down, my main point is that they loudest complainers aren't affected it by it since most of them can't do anything near to what they link videos of.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]The game was very good. Poor thing that gamers nowadays don't like good games.Pete-B

Gamers are the biggest babies in all of the entertainment fields.

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]The game was very good. Poor thing that gamers nowadays don't like good games.Pete-B

Kamiya is God.Some-Mist

Itsuno moreso, since he made the best DMC games.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"] Kamiya is God.OneSanitarium

Itsuno moreso, since he made the best DMC games.

I just beat the game and i still cannot understand why people are so mad... its called a reboot for a reason and from what i have seen of it, a good reboot at that. Its not like DMC was a stellar game to be honest, it was basicly a game full of mad crazy over the top action and cheesey dialog, an unserious protagonist and gothic themes. This new one actually makes a plausible story out of it, including religion and conspiracy theories that make sense, combat thats very easy to learn, yet difficult to master. I really cant understand some people honestly

So Capcom in trying to increase their fanbase changed the game up and in essence lost two thirds of their fans because they were unwilling to let the game change, if it didn't change they'd call it generic and rehashed, if they change it they say it's bad and terrible... Silly fools.JohnF111

I think people do not want change

This thread taught me that people are stupid and have no idea why DMC fans dislike DmC and end up assuming the dislike is entirely because of aesthetics.

Well, didn't really tech me it, i already knew that. More so it just reafirmed my thoughts on it.

This thread taught me that people are stupid and have no idea why DMC fans dislike DmC and end up assuming the dislike is entirely because of aesthetics.

Well, didn't really tech me it, i already knew that. More so it just reafirmed my thoughts on it.

OneSanitarium

If it's a thread about bashing gamers noone really cares about what's actually said in it or, especially, if there's some reason to it. As long as you say "some gamers (not me of course) are crybabies and whiners" you are entitled to not having a f*cking clue of what you're saying apparently here in SW.

Capcom trying to kill off all there big brands. Who ever is managing should be fired with no pay.

Street Fighter : Dead (Do we really need 3 retail versions of part 4 and all other SF games, after fans bought the first they felt screwed later on)

Devil May Cry: Dead (WTF why would you do such a drastic change to the character that everyone already loved. This new guy looks like a teenage Justin Beiber)

Resisdent Evil: Dead ( Starting dieing with 5, they change the game too much and no one likes this crap anymore, what do they expect?)

Megaman: Dead (They won't make any new  games this gen, rather make 8-Bit HD garbage, let it burn in hell then, everyone is starting to not care for it anymore)

Lost Planet: Dead (Never was all that great, not even sure why there was a part 2)

Omnisha: Dead (Not sure why they could make new games this gen, it was awesome for PS2?)

As you can see Capcom has been full of fail lately. Lets all stop buying there games becaause they want to blame fans because of the crap they do to games.

I hope that they sell the mega man and dragon's dogma to much better devellopers. The rest of their franchise can die I never cared for them 

I'm always confused when people state their interest in the poorly-translated and horribly-acted farce that was the original DMC "story". Sure, DmC's narrative was nothing special, especially compared to Ninja Theory's previous work, but it's leagues ahead of anything Capcom could hope to accomplish in that department.megadeth1117

the game was largely forgettable.

it's not terrible, but it's not necessarily good either. It's stuck in the limbo of mediocrity.

It's just, O.K. Certainly not something any dev should be proud of.

They killed DMC with 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Sucks for all the whiners who neglect to play a great hack and slash game over a cosmetic change. I have played and loved every DMC game (except the non existant DMC2) including this one.

FlamesOfGrey

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Sucks for all the whiners who neglect to play a great hack and slash game over a cosmetic change. I have played and loved every DMC game (except the non existant DMC2) including this one.

II_Seraphim_II

dmc4 didn't have a convulted control layout honestly, I still can't see why they had to lower the quality on something that wasn't broken in the first place.

That in itself was a bad decision.

They killed DMC with 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k

jake44

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

See this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e23c_HDPo7Y

THAT is Devil May Cry. Bring that back or rot in obscurity.

princeofshapeir

All I ever see is super good players complaining about the new combos or combat. Honestly when I played Devil May Cry in the past I always stuck to the basic combos because it was daunting to get really good at it. 

It's just me but the new system, while very dumbed down, fits an audience like myself who don't have the time or desire to be really really good at it. I just want to sit down and play and not have to think much. 

I understand the hate for the combat but it's not that bad. You want good combat then play DMC 3 or 4. They're still there

DmC is pretty great. Much better then DMC4. People are idiots though.

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They killed DMC with 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k

handssss

I've played them all and only cared for the 1st and 3rd game. DMC 2 is hated universally with good reason and 4 had good combat, but a god awful story (in my opinion of course).

Yeah DMC fans are the worse. If you are actually a hardcore fan, then you probably shouldn't be whining and crying over this release. DMC players should have moved onto the Bayonetta series by now.

[QUOTE="handssss"][QUOTE="jake44"]

They killed DMC with 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k

jake44

I've played them all and only cared for the 1st and 3rd game. DMC 2 is hated universally with good reason and 4 had good combat, but a god awful story (in my opinion of course).

They killed DMC with 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k

jake44

DMC4 was a legitamently good game.

Oh, this article again. Remember how we're supposed to speak with our wallets? That's what the fanbase did. They did not like what Capcom let NT do to the franchise. It's quite sad when Capcom had to actually send some people over there to try and salvage the abomination Tameem created.

[QUOTE="jake44"]

They killed DMC with 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpME4riPI1k

OneSanitarium

DMC4 was a legitamently good game.

This is my problem with those claiming DmC is better. They can't just say they prefer the reboot, they have to go and try to slander previous games in the series.

The only things that might have been difficult to pull off in DMC were only the most complicated combo's, something that wasn't even required in most circumstances.

There's so many misconceptions being tossed around. This isn't even aimed at jake here, but moreso those who complain the previous combat systems were convulted.