Controversy at GDC: Phil Fish developer of Fez say Japanese dev Your games s***

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

Clear racism? Show me what part of his own quoted speech is racist. Please, reply and show me. "Your games suck" isn't racism. Maybe he just doesn't think that what comes out of Japan these days is any good. Is that racism?

:|

nhh18

So a general criticism of Japanese developers (even if, in one's own opinion, Japanese developers are primarily pushing out absolute garbage) is automatically racism? There is no other, less vile motivation? I think you're overreacting, that's all. Maybe the guy is an ass in general if he dislikes something. Calling his comment racist is a knee jerk reaction.

Controversy? Unrelevant hipster-looking indie game developer publishing their first game ever featuring a old school graphics?

Oh how gaming have fallen, no one would've cared last generation but now, no name indies draw some pixels and now he's important. Because indie is cool. This man has no track record and is creating a budget game, his opinion is held high, let's shower this indie game with awards like GOTFGI-award (Game of the ****** game industry) and let's give this guy a trophy for being such an important man for the gaming industry because he's developing games featuring old pixel graphics!!! We have side scrolling platformers that are EPIC BRAH, sure they're just like those thousand of free flash games you've played on the net when you were bored in school years ago but they cost money and they're on the consoles, that makes them better than all those mainstream stuff because that's corporate evil man...

I'm mad yeah. Gaming has gone down a dump this generation, with simple flash games becoming gigantic world wide success, side scrollers made by some guy in a basement is now the coolest thing ever, DLC and all this ****. I think I'mma just quit my gaming hobby after the new gen after this upcoming generation because this has gone down the drain. /puke

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Xbox_360_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_DS_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games#PlayStation_3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games#PlayStation_Portable

buh buh da japuneze gaymes are irrelevant!!1 :(

Stevo_the_gamer

Wikipedia. lol

Cool rebuttal. All of the links are cited so whatever, continue trolling.

Just like how in the East, Western devs mean very little to anyone. Only one console is actually developed by a Western developer.

WiiCubeM1

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

Clear racism? Show me what part of his own quoted speech is racist. Please, reply and show me. "Your games suck" isn't racism. Maybe he just doesn't think that what comes out of Japan these days is any good. Is that racism?

:|

Assassin_87

So a general criticism of Japanese developers (even if, in one's own opinion, Japanese developers are primarily pushing out absolute garbage) is automatically racism? There is no other, less vile motivation? I think you're overreacting, that's all. Maybe the guy is an ass in general if he dislikes something. Calling his comment racist is a knee jerk reaction.

Accusations of racism are even stupider than the dude's comment.

[QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]A generalization and a stereo type about a certain culture of games isn't racism? Then what is?

Stevo_the_gamer

So a general criticism of Japanese developers (even if, in one's own opinion, Japanese developers are primarily pushing out absolute garbage) is automatically racism? There is no other, less vile motivation? I think you're overreacting, that's all. Maybe the guy is an ass in general if he dislikes something. Calling his comment racist is a knee jerk reaction.

But that game is terrible so who cares.

Japanese developers certainly took a back seat this generation in comparison to the last few generations.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Sony's first party devs have always primarily been western developers. The difference this gen is that they have had to put more faith in their own first party, and less on third party. As for the Wii U, they try to do that every gen since getting spanked in the 64 gen.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Xbox_360_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_DS_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games#PlayStation_3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_games#PlayStation_Portable

buh buh da japuneze gaymes are irrelevant!!1 :(

Stevo_the_gamer

Wikipedia. lol

That doesn't suddenly negate his point. Poor time management aside GT5 did extremely well(and it's considered a disappointment to boot). Final Fantasy 13 and its awfulness(**** anyones opinion on this board, that game sucks) did very well sales wise. Resident Evil 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, Nintend's franchises, etc etc. Street Fighter 4 more or less kick started a fighting game renaissance. If we're talking sales: The same japanese franchises that did great last gen, did great this gen. Hell some of em have benefited even more because they went multiplat. Do the major third parties have their own Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed in terms of sales? No not necessarily, but it's not like they are completely nonexistent. If we're talking quality of the game design: Then you can definitely make a convincing argument for plenty of japanese designed videogames being exceptionally well made. But sure I would agree with you that clearly a bunch of japanese studios have been behind the curve, and I say that while still arguing the west all that either. But it's clearly been doing better. jg4xchamp

The games themselves are a shadow of the former curve--being strong in sales because of large loyal fanbase isn't exactly what I was aiming at. I am aware some of Capcom, and SE's (among others) following is there. The main take-away is that the developers are not as influential, nor as of quality, as they were many years ago. Japanese gaming has come to the point of becoming essentially irrelevant--I keep using essentially, and not entirely. They is some importance, but it's insignificant. Nintendo is the last beacon of hope, as Sony has already jumped ship.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Assassin_87"]

So a general criticism of Japanese developers (even if, in one's own opinion, Japanese developers are primarily pushing out absolute garbage) is automatically racism? There is no other, less vile motivation? I think you're overreacting, that's all. Maybe the guy is an ass in general if he dislikes something. Calling his comment racist is a knee jerk reaction.

Aljosa23

But that game is terrible so who cares.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Australia has no games. I guess I am now racist. The logic is infallible. Stevo_the_gamer

But that game is terrible so who cares.

Threads like this are always pointless as people who are dead set into trashing the Japanese market will not change their minds.

Japanese devs have nothing on Call of Duty, Assassins Creed or GTA in terms of sales.

We bring up Pokemon, Mario Kart and Gran Turismo as mega sellers. They claim these franchises are proof on how stale the Japanese devs are yet those previous western games are somehow OK.

Japanese devs don't innovate anymore they say, just look at how irrelevant and backwards Final Fantasy is as an example.
We bring up Xenoblade Chronicles, Persona 4 and Demon's/Dark Souls. They are somehow still irrelevant as they don't sell millions upon millions even though quality and innovation was the criteria.

I wouldn't have a problem with the trashing if the straight up haters wouldn't constantly change the criteria why Japanese games are irrelevant.

makes outrageous claim

>provides no proof besides arbitrary precentages that he pulled out of his ass
>discredits proof that proves him wrong with "lol"

Cool rebuttal. All of the links are cited so whatever, continue trolling.

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]That doesn't suddenly negate his point. Poor time management aside GT5 did extremely well(and it's considered a disappointment to boot). Final Fantasy 13 and its awfulness(**** anyones opinion on this board, that game sucks) did very well sales wise. Resident Evil 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, Nintend's franchises, etc etc. Street Fighter 4 more or less kick started a fighting game renaissance. If we're talking sales: The same japanese franchises that did great last gen, did great this gen. Hell some of em have benefited even more because they went multiplat. Do the major third parties have their own Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed in terms of sales? No not necessarily, but it's not like they are completely nonexistent. If we're talking quality of the game design: Then you can definitely make a convincing argument for plenty of japanese designed videogames being exceptionally well made. But sure I would agree with you that clearly a bunch of japanese studios have been behind the curve, and I say that while still arguing the west all that either. But it's clearly been doing better. Stevo_the_gamer

The games themselves are a shadow of the former curve--being strong in sales because of large loyal fanbase isn't exactly what I was aiming at. I am aware some of Capcom, and SE's (among others) following is there. The main take-away is that the developers are not as influential, nor as of quality, as they were many years ago. Japanese gaming has come to the point of becoming essentially irrelevant--I keep using essentially, and not entirely. They is some importance, but it's insignificant. Nintendo is the last beacon of hope, as Sony has already jumped ship.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]LA Noire is Australian.

But that game is terrible so who cares.

DarkLink77

The vast majority of Sony's PS3 best selling games, and 360's are Western. Of course, the best selling handhed games are full of Japanese titles--handhelds will be irrelevant soon regardless, so it's a moot point. You happy now?Stevo_the_gamer

Threads like this are always pointless as people who are dead set into trashing the Japanese market will not change their minds.

Japanese devs have nothing on Call of Duty, Assassins Creed or GTA in terms of sales.

We bring up Pokemon, Mario Kart and Gran Turismo as mega sellers. They claim these franchises are proof on how stale the Japanese devs are yet those previous western games are somehow OK.

Japanese devs don't innovate anymore they say, just look at how irrelevant and backwards Final Fantasy is as an example.
We bring up Xenoblade Chronicles, Persona 4 and Demon's/Dark Souls. They are somehow still irrelevant as they don't sell millions upon millions even though quality and innovation was the criteria.

I wouldn't have a problem with the trashing if the straight up haters wouldn't constantly change the criteria why Japanese games are irrelevant.

JLF1MarkII

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

makes outrageous claim

>provides no proof besides arbitrary precentages that he pulled out of his ass
>discredits proof that proves him wrong with "lol"

Cool rebuttal. All of the links are cited so whatever, continue trolling.

Stevo_the_gamer

lol come on, man. smh

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Team Bondi is defunct. I still win. :Pjg4xchamp

Threads like this are always pointless as people who are dead set into trashing the Japanese market will not change their minds.

Japanese devs have nothing on Call of Duty, Assassins Creed or GTA in terms of sales.

We bring up Pokemon, Mario Kart and Gran Turismo as mega sellers. They claim these franchises are proof on how stale the Japanese devs are yet those previous western games are somehow OK.

Japanese devs don't innovate anymore they say, just look at how irrelevant and backwards Final Fantasy is as an example.
We bring up Xenoblade Chronicles, Persona 4 and Demon's/Dark Souls. They are somehow still irrelevant as they don't sell millions upon millions even though quality and innovation was the criteria.

I wouldn't have a problem with the trashing if the straight up haters wouldn't constantly change the criteria why Japanese games are irrelevant.

JLF1MarkII

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Threads like this are always pointless as people who are dead set into trashing the Japanese market will not change their minds.

Japanese devs have nothing on Call of Duty, Assassins Creed or GTA in terms of sales.

We bring up Pokemon, Mario Kart and Gran Turismo as mega sellers. They claim these franchises are proof on how stale the Japanese devs are yet those previous western games are somehow OK.

Japanese devs don't innovate anymore they say, just look at how irrelevant and backwards Final Fantasy is as an example.
We bring up Xenoblade Chronicles, Persona 4 and Demon's/Dark Souls. They are somehow still irrelevant as they don't sell millions upon millions even though quality and innovation was the criteria.

I wouldn't have a problem with the trashing if the straight up haters wouldn't constantly change the criteria why Japanese games are irrelevant.

Stevo_the_gamer

Did pRick Santorum hack your account, bro?

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Threads like this are always pointless as people who are dead set into trashing the Japanese market will not change their minds.

Japanese devs have nothing on Call of Duty, Assassins Creed or GTA in terms of sales.

We bring up Pokemon, Mario Kart and Gran Turismo as mega sellers. They claim these franchises are proof on how stale the Japanese devs are yet those previous western games are somehow OK.

Japanese devs don't innovate anymore they say, just look at how irrelevant and backwards Final Fantasy is as an example.
We bring up Xenoblade Chronicles, Persona 4 and Demon's/Dark Souls. They are somehow still irrelevant as they don't sell millions upon millions even though quality and innovation was the criteria.

I wouldn't have a problem with the trashing if the straight up haters wouldn't constantly change the criteria why Japanese games are irrelevant.

Aljosa23

Did pRick Santorum hack your account, bro?

>disregards handhelds because they prove him wrong
>ignores the Wii for the same reason
>PS3 list has a fair amount of Japanese
>"vast majority"

lol come on, man. smh

Aljosa23

Nonsense, sales was never my focal. I am talking influence.

Stevo_the_gamer

That and critical acclaim, but sadly to a lesser extent.

How exactly do you even measure influence? By sales, obviously.

Did pRick Santorum hack your account, bro?

Aljosa23

Who the hell says "Your games s***" :?Kaze_no_Mirai

Nonsense, sales was never my focal. I am talking influence.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nonsense, sales was never my focal. I am talking influence.

shinrabanshou

That and critical acclaim, but sadly to a lesser extent.

[QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"]Who the hell says "Your games s***" :?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nonsense, sales was never my focal. I am talking influence.

JLF1MarkII

I love certain Japanese directors like Kobayashi or Ozu, or certain musical geniuses from Japan (like Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso U.F.O., Ghost, Boris, Keiji Haino, Ryoji Ikeda, Boredoms, Taj Mahal Travelers, Mainliner, Ruins, Otomo Yoshihide etc.), but Japanese devs, and especially when speaking of this gen are nothing compared to their musical / cinematographical counterparts. NOTHING.Salt_The_Fries

You can say the exact same thing for every region. :|

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Kaze_no_Mirai"]Who the hell says "Your games s***" :?Kaze_no_Mirai

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nonsense, sales was never my focal. I am talking influence.

JLF1MarkII

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

Nonsense, sales was never my focal. I am talking influence.

Bread_or_Decide

And Gears didn't Copy Resident Evil 4?

Threads like this are always pointless as people who are dead set into trashing the Japanese market will not change their minds.

Japanese devs have nothing on Call of Duty, Assassins Creed or GTA in terms of sales.

We bring up Pokemon, Mario Kart and Gran Turismo as mega sellers. They claim these franchises are proof on how stale the Japanese devs are yet those previous western games are somehow OK.

Japanese devs don't innovate anymore they say, just look at how irrelevant and backwards Final Fantasy is as an example.
We bring up Xenoblade Chronicles, Persona 4 and Demon's/Dark Souls. They are somehow still irrelevant as they don't sell millions upon millions even though quality and innovation was the criteria.

I wouldn't have a problem with the trashing if the straight up haters wouldn't constantly change the criteria why Japanese games are irrelevant.

JLF1MarkII

[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"]I love certain Japanese directors like Kobayashi or Ozu, or certain musical geniuses from Japan (like Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso U.F.O., Ghost, Boris, Keiji Haino, Ryoji Ikeda, Boredoms, Taj Mahal Travelers, Mainliner, Ruins, Otomo Yoshihide etc.), but Japanese devs, and especially when speaking of this gen are nothing compared to their musical / cinematographical counterparts. NOTHING.Aljosa23

You can say the exact same thing for every region. :|

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]How exactly do you even measure influence? By sales, obviously.

Did pRick Santorum hack your account, bro?

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Influence in what way? Changing the industry. Yeah, Nintendo basically did that this generation with motion-controls. Honestly what franchises this gen have had any real inlfuence? I can think of Call of Duty from the western side. but that's it.

No one is really copying anyone anymore.

JLF1MarkII

And Gears didn't Copy Resident Evil 4?

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Salt_The_Fries"]I love certain Japanese directors like Kobayashi or Ozu, or certain musical geniuses from Japan (like Acid Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso U.F.O., Ghost, Boris, Keiji Haino, Ryoji Ikeda, Boredoms, Taj Mahal Travelers, Mainliner, Ruins, Otomo Yoshihide etc.), but Japanese devs, and especially when speaking of this gen are nothing compared to their musical / cinematographical counterparts. NOTHING.Salt_The_Fries

You can say the exact same thing for every region. :|

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]How exactly do you even measure influence? By sales, obviously.

Did pRick Santorum hack your account, bro?

jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Influence in what way? Changing the industry. Yeah, Nintendo basically did that this generation with motion-controls. Honestly what franchises this gen have had any real inlfuence? I can think of Call of Duty from the western side. but that's it.

No one is really copying anyone anymore.

JLF1MarkII

And Gears didn't Copy Resident Evil 4?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="JLF1MarkII"]

Influence in what way? Changing the industry. Yeah, Nintendo basically did that this generation with motion-controls. Honestly what franchises this gen have had any real inlfuence? I can think of Call of Duty from the western side. but that's it.

No one is really copying anyone anymore.

JLF1MarkII

And Gears didn't Copy Resident Evil 4?