BioWare: "calling the next game Mass Effect 4 is a disservice"

here is casey hudson hyping the ending as "amazing" and "very definitive." here he comes off as very proud of it as well.

if they really wanted to stick with their guns, they would have left it as it was. some people would have liked it and some wouldn't have, but that would have been fine. some people like the new ending and that's fine too. but honestly, i don't like the idea of going back and changing (or "expanding") a major part of the game because fans complained. and let's say for second that bioware did make changes just to tell off a few people. that's cutting off the nose to spite the face.

i'm actually one of gamers that didn't like the game (not for the ending, but it's a long story. ask if you care). however, i wouldn't want bioware to go back and start throwing stuff in until i shut up. it's because i don't want to order a game. i want to try one. gaming is much more exciting when i could potentially play something that's so good i never knew i wanted it.

here is casey hudson hyping the ending as "amazing" and "very definitive." here he comes off as very proud of it as well.

if they really wanted to stick with their guns, they would have left it as it was. some people would have liked it and some wouldn't have, but that would have been fine. some people like the new ending and that's fine too. but honestly, i don't like the idea of going back and changing (or "expanding") a major part of the game because fans complained. and let's say for second that bioware did make changes just to tell off a few people. that's cutting off the nose to spite the face.

i'm actually one of gamers that didn't like the game (not for the ending, but it's a long story. ask if you care). however, i wouldn't want bioware to go back and start throwing stuff in until i shut up. it's because i don't want to order a game. i want to try one. gaming is much more exciting when i could potentially play something that's so good i never knew i wanted it.

i'm saying developers shouldn't listen to gamer feedback and then go back into the writing room. you've already admitted that bioware put stuff in as a reaction to fans including the "refuse" ending. whether they caved in to whining fans, added in content to spite them, or a combination of the two, it cheapens the whole thing.

what does the witcher have to do with anything? i never played the game and made no comment on it. if that developer changed their ending(s) to suit fans, then it doesn't magically make what bioware did more palatable to me.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="padaporra"]

I cannot comprehend how anyone can say ME1 is better than ME2. And after I saw people defending ME1's DLC, I just gave up any effort to. 

blue_hazy_basic

texas posts can do that to anyone who actually read his nonsense.

Mass Effect 2 + the loot system from Mass Effect 1 (except the horrible way they handled a full inventory) = a very pleasant experience.

here is casey hudson hyping the ending as "amazing" and "very definitive." here he comes off as very proud of it as well.

if they really wanted to stick with their guns, they would have left it as it was. some people would have liked it and some wouldn't have, but that would have been fine. some people like the new ending and that's fine too. but honestly, i don't like the idea of going back and changing (or "expanding") a major part of the game because fans complained. and let's say for second that bioware did make changes just to tell off a few people. that's cutting off the nose to spite the face.

i'm actually one of gamers that didn't like the game (not for the ending, but it's a long story. ask if you care). however, i wouldn't want bioware to go back and start throwing stuff in until i shut up. it's because i don't want to order a game. i want to try one. gaming is much more exciting when i could potentially play something that's so good i never knew i wanted it.

i'm saying developers shouldn't listen to gamer feedback and then go back into the writing room. you've already admitted that bioware put stuff in as a reaction to fans including the "refuse" ending. whether they caved in to whining fans, added in content to spite them, or a combination of the two, it cheapens the whole thing.

what does the witcher have to do with anything? i never played the game and made no comment on it. if that developer changed their ending(s) to suit fans, then it doesn't magically make what bioware did more palatable to me.

Mass Effect 2 + the loot system from Mass Effect 1 (except the horrible way they handled a full inventory) = a very pleasant experience.

JMR09

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Yeah...ME1 is pretty much overrated by the fanbase. Nevermind Pinnacle Station is terrible. Pretending to be an action game but featuring hit or miss dice rolls is a frusterating no no. ME1 has by far the worst character development in the series, so bad that they had more development in between ME1 and ME2 than in ME1 itself. Wrex is the only character in ME1 to get real character development. Tali gets abssolutely no development at all. Hell, I forgot she was on the ship. ME1's plot was also pretty contrived, more so than ME3. Its quite funny how the idiot fanbase accuses ME3 of reliance on contrivance when ME1 is way worse. With Vigil actually being a Deus Ex Machina played staright. ME3 is actually strongest of the series...it has both a focused plotline than ME2 lacked, while having major character development that ME1 lacked. its that fans are too stupid to realize this while complaining about the already fixed ending they don't get.Krelian-co

texas posts can do that to anyone who actually read his nonsense.

i'm saying developers shouldn't listen to gamer feedback and then go back into the writing room. you've already admitted that bioware put stuff in as a reaction to fans including the "refuse" ending. whether they caved in to whining fans, added in content to spite them, or a combination of the two, it cheapens the whole thing.

what does the witcher have to do with anything? i never played the game and made no comment on it. if that developer changed their ending(s) to suit fans, then it doesn't magically make what bioware did more palatable to me.

CDP is completely irrelevant in this. nobody is questioning where bioware got the idea or who is in the same boat.

whether or not bioware managed to squeeze in everything people complained about is irrelevant too. no developer would do that because it would be like making an entirely new game. it doesn't matter whether bioware's thought process was "well, people didn't like the starchild so get rid of it. people thought the placement of the tree at the end was weird so lets get rid of that too" or "people didn't get the ending so let's go back to the code and explain it in there." it's a matter of standing up for the finished game.

the ending isn't just what was told, but how it was told. if the original intent of the ending was to cause discussion, then leave the game in a state where it can still cause discussion. clarifying further imposes a single interpretation. that is a change and it was spurred by fans. by your own admission, the "refuse" ending was made to spite whiners. that is also a change because clearly bioware didn't make ME3 to spite anyone.

if you're fine with that, then go ahead and keep playing bioware games. i hope you enjoy them.

Microtransaction Effectjessejay420

 If it is all nonsense, what was Pinnacle Stations criticial reception? Where is the character development in ME1, other than Wrex? Why was there so much character development in between ME1 and ME2, especially Liara, Tali, and Garrus than in ME1? What is Tali's character arc in ME1 other than being a talking codex on quarians? Face facts, face reality, ME3 has both the focused plotline of ME1 and the character development of ME2, nevermind the characters actually having relationships and banter with eachother that the first two games didn't have. And the fact is gamers have to go out of their way and actually lie about ME3 so they can bash it because EA is the devil and Bioware didn't follow the old school formula, so that makes them bad.texasgoldrush

Considering how jumbled up and incohesive ME3's ending was, I'm wondering how the ME universe is going to be like after.

In any case, I'm excited for this game, I don't see why everybody hates the series, if you think its not rpg enough, then play it like a 3rd person shooter. Rpg mechanics were never Mass Effects strong points anyways, not even in the first game. Saying that I do want an inventory again, Bioware make it happen!

Hope they finally can realize the potential that the Mass Effect concept has

Goodness some of you are crybabies, the series was amazing and people are still complaining about it (specifically the ME3 ending). This thread isn't about ME 1, 2, or 3. Its about the future of Mass Effect.Granny_Spanked

I guess this is their way of rebranding their IP.

[QUOTE="JMR09"]

Mass Effect 2 + the loot system from Mass Effect 1 (except the horrible way they handled a full inventory) = a very pleasant experience.

texasgoldrush

See, I have yet to play Mass Effect 3. But what I meant was that I enjoyed collecting the various equipment and whatnot from enemies in the first game, which was completely scrapped in the second. Yeah, the way the inventory was handled in Mass Effect 1 was pretty much awful, but they could have streamlined it to make it a much less clunky experience without getting rid of it completely.

Again, I haven't played Mass Effect 3 so I can't comment on how it handles things.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] My brian joost gat damiged.texasgoldrush

texas posts can do that to anyone who actually read his nonsense.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

texas posts can do that to anyone who actually read his nonsense.

savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] If it is all nonsense, what was Pinnacle Stations criticial reception? Where is the character development in ME1, other than Wrex? Why was there so much character development in between ME1 and ME2, especially Liara, Tali, and Garrus than in ME1? What is Tali's character arc in ME1 other than being a talking codex on quarians? Face facts, face reality, ME3 has both the focused plotline of ME1 and the character development of ME2, nevermind the characters actually having relationships and banter with eachother that the first two games didn't have. And the fact is gamers have to go out of their way and actually lie about ME3 so they can bash it because EA is the devil and Bioware didn't follow the old school formula, so that makes them bad.cain006

Hope they finally can realize the potential that the Mass Effect concept has

themajormayor

[QUOTE="Granny_Spanked"]Goodness some of you are crybabies, the series was amazing and people are still complaining about it (specifically the ME3 ending). This thread isn't about ME 1, 2, or 3. Its about the future of Mass Effect.ShadowriverUB

So was Mass Effect 3, lol.

Hope they finally can realize the potential that the Mass Effect concept has

themajormayor

i doubt so, under EA they won't let them make a proper game with the full potential of the lore and background of the series, more like another mediocre product that will sell anyway