Betrayalton. Polygon just tears Microsoft XBONE a new one

Why should the pc get a mention... its a given. As its an open hardward platform, meaning if you have the cash you can have the most powerful device in the world. PC will always trump console and always will. I laugh at the fools who said last gen consoles were more powerful than pcs in 2006... thats plain ridiculous non-sense.

Who the hell is talking about hardware? Go back to the kids table and let the adults talk here...

Hoping for a Kinectless One by the end of the year that way I can save money towards buying what I really want with that extra 100 bucks.

So you're denying that multiplats are superior on PS4? Because that was what Polygon stated.

And this "opinion" is shared by most. Well atleast rational people.

I'm still lost on the "confusing UI" of x1. Are people retarded en masse? It is so simple to use in my experience, as is ps4, and wiiu.

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Maybe he's never had a pet dog or cat?

Haha ,maybe so....

I mean I am fully prepared to admit that navigating the UI with hand gestures is probably more hassle than its worth but to criticise the voice commands when they are so intuitive just makes this guy sound ridiculous. Of course it gives the cows something to moo about. Better than confronting the lack of games and interesting features of their console of choice.

LOL. I was at a "gamers get together" so to speak at a buddy's in LI, NY, and we had a full room, but His Kinect could recognize and catch his voice in it. Granted we weren't jamming music and dancing, but conversations were going on. It is better than my original Kinect. I am buying one tomorrow and then a PS4 next month with my next check. Looking forward to it.

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Dude I wish!!!!, My laptop is crap from basic in 2010. I cant run shit on it. I am going X1 tomorrow, then PS4 in March. Then a new laptop, that I hope can play some games as well. Any suggestions?

Pc I honestly couldnt tell you. The only games I play on my PC are the total war series...which isnt for everyone.

Well I have been playing Assassins creed black flag pretty relentlessly...its good fun, great stealth and lots to explore and unlock meaning it will tide you over until titanfall in march. I also have DR3 and FIFA...DR3 isnt revolutionary or anything but its great fun...I also have FIFA which is the best FIFA to date if you like football games.

If theres a bundle with AC:BF and Dead rising 3 I would say you cant go too far wrong. In all honesty I have played the Titanfall BETA an awful lot so...bare in mind whatever games you buy tomorrow might not get much of a look in after its release haha.

Thanks. DR3 was a sure buy anyway because I loved the first two. FIFA, I only played a lot with an Irish buddy (i'm Irish American) that explained to me as we played on PS2 years ago. Good fun. I am a hockey, American Football, Boxing fan-screw Mayweather). Was looking at AC black flag with DR3. Laptop I'm looking at Newegg, and ibuypower to see what to do.

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Maybe Kinect integration for corner time? Being able to use an enswell, or close a cut? Or voice commands to hype your fighter up?

and nobody is buying the xbox one because of the Kinect,

and to think of all the work ms did to make it work

3.5 million have bought Kinect you fool. How many PS4 cameras have Sony sold?

3.5 million have bought Kinect you fool. How many PS4 cameras have Sony sold?

You mean 3.2 million, it's nowhere near 3.5 million.

Sony has probably sold more cameras considering I can't seem to find them anywhere and there are approximately 5.3 million PS4s out there.

Those are some great ideas actually!

waiting for a kinect free x1 is like waiting for a blu-ray free ps3..History really does repeat its self in these boards

how the **** is a camera like a disc drive?

if you take out the disc drive you cant play games (for some)

you don't even need the Kinect for games,

is it going to have 1080p movies?

what about a firmware update for 7.1 audio of 3d?

dumb analogy,

try harder

actually its very similar, your just not thinking. the only reason lems want a kinect free system is because the ps4 is drowning the x1 in sales. However before launch and even when way back when kinect was launched. Lems acted like kinect was a holy grail in the game world and how great it was to shout a the tv and other gimmicky bs. They just want something to blame for the x1 not selling yet refuse to look at M$ who is more to blame on the x1 dismay sales and appeal. Its the same back when ps3 launched, everyone( mainly lems) was saying bluray wasnt necessary, it should be taken out, and this is why the ps3 isnt selling, etc. check past post if you dont believe me.however the difference is sony move to put blu-ray in was a good move. as the gen moved ahead and games became bigger, blu ray became something you had to have. we dont know what kinect will do in future but lems are the reason its on the x1. it was so great then for the 360 and it wasnt that expensive then, why now is it not so great? I willing to bet if the x1 was selling more than the ps4 lems would be bowing down the kinect like they did before.

M$ isnt going to take out the kinect from the system unless they get majorly desperate. the kinect is pretty much part of the x1, M$ themselves have stated this and aren't getting rid of the kinect. Lems are just whining over something they once loved and gloated about because the beloved x1 is far behind the ps4, its quite sad really...

actually its very similar, your just not thinking. the only reason lems want a kinect free system is because the ps4 is drowning the x1 in sales. However before launch and even when way back when kinect was launched. Lems acted like kinect was a holy grail in the game world and how great it was to shout a the tv and other gimmicky bs. They just want something to blame for the x1 not selling yet refuse to look at M$ who is more to blame on the x1 dismay sales and appeal. Its the same back when ps3 launched, everyone( mainly lems) was saying bluray wasnt necessary, it should be taken out, and this is why the ps3 isnt selling, etc. check past post if you dont believe me.however the difference is sony move to put blu-ray in was a good move. as the gen moved ahead and games became bigger, blu ray became something you had to have. we dont know what kinect will do in future but lems are the reason its on the x1. it was so great then for the 360 and it wasnt that expensive then, why now is it not so great? I willing to bet if the x1 was selling more than the ps4 lems would be bowing down the kinect like they did before.

M$ isnt going to take out the kinect from the system unless they get majorly desperate. the kinect is pretty much part of the x1, M$ themselves have stated this and aren't getting rid of the kinect. Lems are just whining over something they once loved and gloated about because the beloved x1 is far behind the ps4, its quite sad really...

I've always thought of Kinect as a non-gaming instrument - and frankly something that shouldn't be used for gaming.

But they do make good points, hand gestures are useless and the console only seems to pick up on your hands when you don't want it to.

Largely though, Polygon seems to think Kinect is a video game controller -- which it is not, in any way, nor should it be.

1.) Microsoft has let everyone down by developing Kinect 2 and not building a great game that highlights how it can be useful in core games for core gamers. Kinect Sports isn't it. If you're going to ask people to pay $500 for a GAMING console, +$100 of which is for a motion tracking camera, show us why and how GAMERS benefit. Skype and UI navigation are NOT enough. Worst part is that there has been no piece of software shown or rumored to be in development that in any way utilizes this camera for gaming beyond sports and fitness. Sorry, that's not acceptable for a $100 pack-in.

2.) If they weren't going to seriously step up their game with Kinect 2's gaming software, they could have launched at $399 or launched at $449 with a more powerful piece of hardware than Sony. Let that sink in as we boot our mostly 720p games for the next 7 years.

3.) The hand gesture thing interrupting TV happened to me just last night. I was watching House of Cards on Netflix and was eating a sandwich. I froze like, "wtf is that?" with my fork still next to my mouth. I moved to put my hand down and Kinect interpreted that as me asking it to move forward on the show's timeline 30 minutes and start there. It shouldn't happen, period. Author isn't the only one.

4.) I haven't had the same problems the author had with Kinect's voice controls. Usually if Kinect fails to get a command right, it's because I'm simply not speaking loud enough to be heard over the volume of the TV (or I'm just not loud enough in general). When I speak up, Kinect is at probably 99% for me. There is some real wonkiness with the voice controls, though. It's not always clear when you have to say "Xbox..." before issuing the next command. Like, sometimes when it says it's listening (after saying Xbox), you want to say something that would ordinarily require you to put it in the listening mode before saying the rest like, "volume up" or "go back". You always can't and I think that's something they should look at simplifying. That said, if I'm not gaming, my controller isn't on. I can navigate everything perfectly fine with the voice controls and do so daily.

The only time voice control failed me was for the Super Bowl. It couldn't figure out what "Super Bowl XCIIV" or whatever the roman numerals were. I tried everything. Saying the letters, the number of the Superbowl...couldn't get it to recognize I wanted to watch that show on that channel. I also couldn't get it to just turn to the name of the channel. I'm not sure if there's a way to just tell it to go to a channel number, but that was the only time.

All that said...

I still like Kinect 2.0. It's a nice piece of technology and I love getting around my Xbox One using voice controls now that I know almost all of the commands. It still has some usability issues to work out and hopefully they will be addressed. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with it. But none of that changes the fact that it is inexcusable (disastrous, really) that they could neither create nor encourage the creation of a high-quality game that justifies its existence and forced inclusion in a GAMING system's box, for a premium price. If you can't think of and create a compelling gaming experience using your unique peripheral, how can you expect anyone else to, Microsoft? No, Kinect Sports isn't good enough. Not even slightly. And as a result, Microsoft is endanger of losing the market share they spent so much time and effort growing over the last 12 years. And you'd better believe they can lose it 2x as fast as they got it. Ask Nintendo and Sony, both of whom have lost massive amounts of their player base do to similar poor decisions made at the hardware design phase. Market share is hard to build, but very fuckin easy to lose.

I give Microsoft until E3 to demonstrate to the world why Kinect 2.0 is in every Xbox One box and why it's a must-have for gamers (other than streaming on Twitch). If they can't make that argument well enough for us all to be convinced (well those of us who are manticores), expect a Kinectless Xbox One at a lower price before Autumn.

I feel sorry for anybody who actually eats this bullshit up.

The ignorance is baffling!

Kinect isn't for everybody, most gamers dislike motion controls... but do they have to shit all over Microsoft for actually innovating gaming technology... because weather you like it or not, its the future... Kinect is just another step in that direction.

Not to mention the ignorance of the Xbox one hardware. Just because Microsoft isn't appealing to the gamers wants (pretty graphics mainly), lets all hate that company and praise the all mighty PS4, which actually isn't anything new in terms of hardware and technology. How will a gaming industry evolve if we don't invest in new things? People don't like change, until its popularized.

Are you serious? The entire internet is a Sony fanboy now days. You guys are EVERYWHERE. I can't go into any Xbox forum or comment system, including Majornelson.com without some Sony fan trashing Xbox or posting anti-xbox news stories. It's become one of the most obnoxious trends in gaming, trash the xbox. It's fine if you hate it, Microsoft and those involved in making it but keep your trolling out of Xbox sections. When the Playstation 3 was going downhill fast was the moment PS fanboys became extremely aggressive. When the general view of the PS3 picked up and people decided Microsoft was "casual" your numbers grew and you all became more of an ongoing riot. Busting into normal conversations and running people off of entire forums. I have stopped going to Gametrailers because the whole Xbox section is mainly Sony trolls. It's truly sad watching these guys become rabid dogs, I can't imagine your everyday lives.

On topic: I like the Kinect, I have yet to use it in a game but saying certain things like "Xbox record that" and "Watch TV" are great uses. I don't know if its worth the extra $100. But it does work for me, I never log in manually I just walk in the room. Could I do without it? Yes but I'd like to keep mine. I originally though Microsoft should stay on their track of not giving people the option to not buy it, but if it will help sales go for it. Will it happen? I highly doubt it. If anything, Microsoft will take the cut in profit and lower the price keeping it in the box.