As someone who is not biased, there is one fact I can't ignore this generation

I say I'm not biased because I own a PS3 and have purchased two 360s, an original pro and then an arcade for the hdmi that the original pro never had when I got my 42 inch lcd.

I love BOTH systems and I love the exclusives on both systems. Hell, as I said I loved my 360 so much I bought ANOTHER just to have the hdmi.

HOWEVER, there is one thing I will never forgive Microsoft for and this is why I can respect Sony more. I know this has been hashed and rehashed here but quite frankly this can never be said enough. Period.

The failure rates on the 360 are unacceptable. Quite frankly Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for putting out this shoddy piece of engineering. The simple fact I can consider myself LUCKY for only having to send my original 360 in ONCE says a lot. The 360 is cheaper but it is also more cheaply built. You get what you pay for. I bring this up because yet another magazing publication, Game Informer (in their most recent issue) gave the biggest flop of the year award to the 360 itself for STILL, after all this time and "improvements", breaks down for people.

In no other industry would this be acceptable. A failure rate of 30+ percent would never be allowed but we, as blind gaming consumers, just lap it up, bend over and accept what's coming (I'm guilty too!).

We can never let Microsoft forget how angry we are about this problem. We can never let them live it down. If you stick your head in the sand they won't learn their lesson. Microsoft has a history of this anyway, especially in the operating system world. Almost every Windows OS has been riddled with bugs yet people accept it (until Vista, thank god. Vista has been such a mess they've decided to move on to Windows 7 much earlier than intended).

Microsoft is too big for their britches and we, as consumers, need to start putting our foot down and letting them get away with this.

I say I'm not biased because I own a PS3 and have purchased two 360s, an original pro and then an arcade for the hdmi that the original pro never had when I got my 42 inch lcd.

I love BOTH systems and I love the exclusives on both systems. Hell, as I said I loved my 360 so much I bought ANOTHER just to have the hdmi.

HOWEVER, there is one thing I will never forgive Microsoft for and this is why I can respect Sony more. I know this has been hashed and rehashed here but quite frankly this can never be said enough. Period.

The failure rates on the 360 are unacceptable. Quite frankly Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for putting out this shoddy piece of engineering. The simple fact I can consider myself LUCKY for only having to send my original 360 in ONCE says a lot. The 360 is cheaper but it is also more cheaply built. You get what you pay for. I bring this up because yet another magazing publication, Game Informer (in their most recent issue) gave the biggest flop of the year award to the 360 itself for STILL, after all this time and "improvements", breaks down for people.

In no other industry would this be acceptable. A failure rate of 30+ percent would never be allowed but we, as blind gaming consumers, just lap it up, bend over and accept what's coming (I'm guilty too!).

We can never let Microsoft forget how angry we are about this problem. We can never let them live it down. If you stick your head in the sand they won't learn their lesson. Microsoft has a history of this anyway, especially in the operating system world. Almost every Windows OS has been riddled with bugs yet people accept it (until Vista, thank god. Vista has been such a mess they've decided to move on to Windows 7 much earlier than intended).

Microsoft is too big for their britches and we, as consumers, need to start putting our foot down and letting them get away with this.

Xalaten

Yeah the failure rate is bad, MS fixes it.

The PS2 had issues at launch and PS fixed it for free for a lot of people but as problems continued for PS2 sony stopped fixing it. Same as MS, my PS2 slim broke like 2 yrs ago and Sony said it would be cheaper to by a new one, so I bought a 360

I say I'm not biased...

Xalaten

I liked Armageddon.

Esp. the part where the Russian dude is hammering away at the space station.

kerpal_cz

Yeah it went something like this:

"Russian parts, American parts, heh all made in Japan!"

I've had PS3's and Xbox 360's crap out, so they're both unacceptable, imoBioShockOwnz

Jasper fixes it, it's cheaper to produce and makes MS money. The money put aside by MS to deal with the RRoD problem will be offset against taxes so it's not all bad for them!!

But lets be honest RRoD is the ONLY piece of amunition cows have against the 360 so they use it lots to justify the failure of sony to match the PS2s global dominence. Not to mention the fact it lacks 3rd party developer support.

Yes, it is disgusting. If they repeat such nonsense with the 720, I want them out of the industry. But that probably won't happen.Floppy_Jim

I agree with what you are saying. I just wanted to point out that owning everything doesn't make you no biased. It just means you own everything.

I've seen some of the most inaccurate, biased and fanboys comments coming from people who claim to own all the consoles.

I've had PS3's and Xbox 360's crap out, so they're both unacceptable, imo. I want my old cartridge-based systems back! :x Master System, Genesis, SNES, and N64 never gave me these problems! The heat, plus the constant spinning of the disc, it causes things to decline quicker.BioShockOwnz

Can-o-Mark

Thats exactly the problem with my freind's PS3, they have replaced it for free mind / repaired ... We cant tell lol they cleaned it maybe?

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Yes, it is disgusting. If they repeat such nonsense with the 720, I want them out of the industry. But that probably won't happen.rybe1025

Jasper fixes it, it's cheaper to produce and makes MS money. The money put aside by MS to deal with the RRoD problem will be offset against taxes so it's not all bad for them!!

But lets be honest RRoD is the ONLY piece of amunition cows have against the 360 so they use it lots to justify the failure of sony to match the PS2s global dominence. Not to mention the fact it lacks 3rd party developer support.

Nomad0404

[QUOTE="Xalaten"]

I say I'm not biased because I own a PS3 and have purchased two 360s, an original pro and then an arcade for the hdmi that the original pro never had when I got my 42 inch lcd.

I love BOTH systems and I love the exclusives on both systems. Hell, as I said I loved my 360 so much I bought ANOTHER just to have the hdmi.

HOWEVER, there is one thing I will never forgive Microsoft for and this is why I can respect Sony more. I know this has been hashed and rehashed here but quite frankly this can never be said enough. Period.

The failure rates on the 360 are unacceptable. Quite frankly Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for putting out this shoddy piece of engineering. The simple fact I can consider myself LUCKY for only having to send my original 360 in ONCE says a lot. The 360 is cheaper but it is also more cheaply built. You get what you pay for. I bring this up because yet another magazing publication, Game Informer (in their most recent issue) gave the biggest flop of the year award to the 360 itself for STILL, after all this time and "improvements", breaks down for people.

In no other industry would this be acceptable. A failure rate of 30+ percent would never be allowed but we, as blind gaming consumers, just lap it up, bend over and accept what's coming (I'm guilty too!).

We can never let Microsoft forget how angry we are about this problem. We can never let them live it down. If you stick your head in the sand they won't learn their lesson. Microsoft has a history of this anyway, especially in the operating system world. Almost every Windows OS has been riddled with bugs yet people accept it (until Vista, thank god. Vista has been such a mess they've decided to move on to Windows 7 much earlier than intended).

Microsoft is too big for their britches and we, as consumers, need to start putting our foot down and letting them get away with this.

kidcool189

I wouldn't say it's respect. It's more likely that the lawyers for MS stated that they would without doubt lose a case in court if this was brought up and they had their accountants crunch the numbers for them. It probably would have been more expensive than the $1 billion they used to offer the 3 year warranty to make a complete recall of all the systems out there and actually provide working units. So it was definitely a decision based on money rather than respect.

I say I'm not biased because I own a PS3 and have purchased two 360s, an original pro and then an arcade for the hdmi that the original pro never had when I got my 42 inch lcd.

I love BOTH systems and I love the exclusives on both systems. Hell, as I said I loved my 360 so much I bought ANOTHER just to have the hdmi.

HOWEVER, there is one thing I will never forgive Microsoft for and this is why I can respect Sony more. I know this has been hashed and rehashed here but quite frankly this can never be said enough. Period.

The failure rates on the 360 are unacceptable. Quite frankly Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves for putting out this shoddy piece of engineering. The simple fact I can consider myself LUCKY for only having to send my original 360 in ONCE says a lot. The 360 is cheaper but it is also more cheaply built. You get what you pay for. I bring this up because yet another magazing publication, Game Informer (in their most recent issue) gave the biggest flop of the year award to the 360 itself for STILL, after all this time and "improvements", breaks down for people.

In no other industry would this be acceptable. A failure rate of 30+ percent would never be allowed but we, as blind gaming consumers, just lap it up, bend over and accept what's coming (I'm guilty too!).

We can never let Microsoft forget how angry we are about this problem. We can never let them live it down. If you stick your head in the sand they won't learn their lesson. Microsoft has a history of this anyway, especially in the operating system world. Almost every Windows OS has been riddled with bugs yet people accept it (until Vista, thank god. Vista has been such a mess they've decided to move on to Windows 7 much earlier than intended).

Microsoft is too big for their britches and we, as consumers, need to start putting our foot down and letting them get away with this.

I not biased cause i own stock in Sony and i can say one thing i hate them for bundling blu-ray, THERE SCUM, SCUM I SAY,..but I own stock so It's ok I'm not biased. I swear.

I know loads of folk that have had 360s and they've broke .One of my wee brothers freinds infact has had 7 360s in 3 years :shock:but although some 360 break down for no real reason I think alot of the 360s reliability issues are to do with the main kind of people who buy them:hardcore gamers.Hardcore gamers who leave there 360 on for 5 hrs plus at a time and then get supprised when it breaks:roll: its understandable .

Out of all the people I know that own Ps3s most of them seem to be alot less into games and just play them like two or three times a week. Funnily enough the only person Ive ever heard of whos Ps3 has broken on them pretty much plays it all the time and so he kinda deserves it.

I remember at the time of the Dreamcast really wanting one but not buying one due to scare stories that were going around at the time about reliablity issues .Anyway 2 years ago I bought one pre-owned for around £20 and (appart from being used to play non stop Jet Set radio and Sonic advenure)it has broken down on pretty much a mounthly basis but all I have to do each time it breaks down is just take it appart and clean this wee chip in the bottom corner and it runs fine for a wee while.

So the moral of the story is that if you want a reliable console go and buy a Dreamcast and you can just fix it when it "breaks"

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Yes, it is disgusting. If they repeat such nonsense with the 720, I want them out of the industry. But that probably won't happen.rybe1025

Well what do you Microsoft to do :|

They fix your console for free for unlimited amount of times

They Released a 65nm version so RPOD doesn't happen

Their is not much more they can do, stop your pouting and be glad that they treat their costumers with atleast some respect, unlike SONY.

Let us be VERY clear about one thing folks and lets take the fanboy blinders off.

The ONLY reason Microsoft extended the warranty is due to the threats of massive class action lawsuits that would have hurt them much more financially.

If MS made the same mistakes twice they would probably lose a lot of fanbase, I don't think they would be that dumb :?jasonheyman

Umm, they have done it with every Operating system except XP and even XP wasn't completely bug free at release.

Yes, it is disgusting. If they repeat such nonsense with the 720, I want them out of the industry. But that probably won't happen.Floppy_Jim

If MS made the same mistakes twice they would probably lose a lot of fanbase, I don't think they would be that dumb :?jasonheyman

Microsoft has released some pretty awful products before.

Like Windows ME.

Microsoft is too big for their britches and we, as consumers, need to start putting our foot down and letting them get away with this.

Xalaten

Um...just wanted to point out...owning more than one system in no way makes you unbiased. Everyone is biased in some way, no matter how many systems they own, there's always going to be one they enjoy more than the others.The_Game21x

JediRiff

The masses also love McDonald's and I think it's shlock.

It's just an opinion. I really did like both Gears. I just didn't think they were the greatest things ever like so many people. The gameplay was a bit too slow for me and repetitive in both of them (move from one set piece to the next hiding behind things and popping out to slowly wear the other side down). On top of that I HATED the rails shooter parts in Gears 2. My God that was some really horrible controlling crap.

Halo I have nothing nice to say about. I hated it with a passion but I was used to Half Life 2 back then so it ruined me.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care for Resistance either but that wasn't as hyped as Halo and Gears so it can't be "overrated" if it's as hyped.

Um...just wanted to point out...owning more than one system in no way makes you unbiased. Everyone is biased in some way, no matter how many systems they own, there's always going to be one they enjoy more than the others.The_Game21x

So far I have enjoyed my 360 more. I've had it a year longer and played more games on it I've enjoyed.

I've barely touched my PS3 since Tales of Vesperia has come out (I'm at the mountain where you meet back up with Judith, this is a LOOOONG game).

I have no bias. If anything I'm biased, game wise, with my 360. I just think people ignoring the shoddiness of Microsoft's products over the last 20 years is embarassing. Again, I'm guilty too. However, I put my foot down with Vista and thankfully so. I wouldn't touch that mess with YOUR computer.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Yes, it is disgusting. If they repeat such nonsense with the 720, I want them out of the industry. But that probably won't happen.SecretPolice

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]A huge PS3 fan wants MS out of the business...shocker. Let me guess though you were not saying the same thing about Sony when they were being sued over the PS2 hardware problems.Indie_Hitman

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="SecretPolice"]My thoughts exactly so count it plus one !idontbeliveit

bah, sony got the PS2 DRE, MS RROD, the trick apparently is to get it right on your 3rd console (PS3) which MS hasn't made yet.

give them the credit you extended to sony last gen after hardware shortages and a reported failure rate of 70% at launch as cited in the legal documents for the class action suit. keep in mind DRE was still a problem for the SLIM units years later.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]A huge PS3 fan wants MS out of the business...shocker. Let me guess though you were not saying the same thing about Sony when they were being sued over the PS2 hardware problems.Indie_Hitman

I had my PS2 since launch and it was kicking until mid 2008. I can only hope my ps3 makes it that long, but I am not holding my breath.

Halo is trash and GoW 1 and 2 are overrated BUT they are great games. GoW2 has great graphics and good multiplayer when it didn't take an hour to match up and you did not have huge amounts of lag. I just cannot see how so many gamers live on those two games.

Frankly, now is the best time to own or buy either system.

360: mostly no more rrod, good game collection, and cheaper online rates (I saw some crap about amazon selling yearly live suscriptions for $20 less?)

PS3: the best games for it are out or soon to come out, home is finally available, and blu ray movies are cheaper now.

So overall if you own either system be happy that the worst is over.......hopefully.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]A huge PS3 fan wants MS out of the business...shocker. Let me guess though you were not saying the same thing about Sony when they were being sued over the PS2 hardware problems.Indie_Hitman