Arma Devs Denied bail in greece.

More than two months after a couple of developers from Czech studio Bohemia Interactive (ArmA) were arrested over espionage suspicions, the pair has had an appeal against the charges denied.

Bohemia's Ivan Buchta and Martin Pezlar were originally taken in after allegedly capturing video and photos of a military installation in Greece for an upcoming ArmA game.
According to local news sites, and as translated by Eurogamer, Buchta and Pezlar have now been denied bail and will be tried before a court in Greece. They could face up to 20 years in prison.

In the meantime, the families of the pair have spoken out, stating that the conditions they are being subjected to have been abysmal.
They're in a cell with over 25 people, they sleep on the ground," Buchta's father Miloslav stated. "They have food twice a day.

His mother added, "Our boys no longer tell us on the phone that it's alright, that they're handling it. After the court's decision we only hear from them something that no parent ever wants to hear: Mom, dad, please save us."

Greece gonna Greece I guess.

Oh yes, The Greek media are having a field day with this also, They claim the arma devs were spying for Turkey.

More than two months after a couple of developers from Czech studio Bohemia Interactive (ArmA) were arrested over espionage suspicions, the pair has had an appeal against the charges denied.

Bohemia's Ivan Buchta and Martin Pezlar were originally taken in after allegedly capturing video and photos of a military installation in Greece for an upcoming ArmA game.
According to local news sites, and as translated by Eurogamer, Buchta and Pezlar have now been denied bail and will be tried before a court in Greece. They could face up to 20 years in prison.

In the meantime, the families of the pair have spoken out, stating that the conditions they are being subjected to have been abysmal.
They're in a cell with over 25 people, they sleep on the ground," Buchta's father Miloslav stated. "They have food twice a day.

His mother added, "Our boys no longer tell us on the phone that it's alright, that they're handling it. After the court's decision we only hear from them something that no parent ever wants to hear: Mom, dad, please save us."

Greece gonna Greece I guess.

ReadingRainbow4

That is really messed up.

whaaaaaat?

I'm just wondering how bad this is affecting arma 3 development.

regardless this is F*cked up.

Well, looks like it's more dramatic situation than some believed...

I personally think BIS should try to contact the Czech embassy in Greece and if they can do something regarding their imprisoned colleagues.

Just having protest signs on their site obviously won't do crap...

Also, they should handle all the Arma 3 code and material over to the Greek authorities and promise to destroy all potentially harmful information about Lemnos.

Just what I think.

More than two months after a couple of developers from Czech studio Bohemia Interactive (ArmA) were arrested over espionage suspicions, the pair has had an appeal against the charges denied.

Bohemia's Ivan Buchta and Martin Pezlar were originally taken in after allegedly capturing video and photos of a military installation in Greece for an upcoming ArmA game.
According to local news sites, and as translated by Eurogamer, Buchta and Pezlar have now been denied bail and will be tried before a court in Greece. They could face up to 20 years in prison.

In the meantime, the families of the pair have spoken out, stating that the conditions they are being subjected to have been abysmal.
They're in a cell with over 25 people, they sleep on the ground," Buchta's father Miloslav stated. "They have food twice a day.

His mother added, "Our boys no longer tell us on the phone that it's alright, that they're handling it. After the court's decision we only hear from them something that no parent ever wants to hear: Mom, dad, please save us."

Greece gonna Greece I guess.

Oh yes, The Greek media are having a field day with this also, They claim the arma devs were spying for Turkey.

ReadingRainbow4

Well, spies are usually shot, they should be greatfull they are alive. In other countries would have been shot on sight.

You simply DO NOT spy military installations, not ever

Unless you think you are James Bond

Greece: "Instead of using our money to fix our economy, let's waste it arresting and prosecuting game developers".Zeviander

I'm sure those game developers were armed and extremely dangerous. They definitely deserve life in prison for daring to watch the puny Greek military.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Greece: "Instead of using our money to fix our economy, let's waste it arresting and prosecuting game developers".Riadon2

I'm sure those game developers were armed and extremely dangerous. They definitely deserve life in prison for daring to watch the puny Greek military.

Greece: "Instead of using our money to fix our economy, let's waste it arresting and prosecuting game developers".Zeviander

Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead.

Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL

Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?

The only reason they could spy on Greece, is because unlike US does not have a death penlty for spies

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Greece: "Instead of using our money to fix our economy, let's waste it arresting and prosecuting game developers".loosingENDS

Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead.

Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL

Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?

Lol @ you

I bet you would be up in arms if these developers were from 343.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Greece: "Instead of using our money to fix our economy, let's waste it arresting and prosecuting game developers".Riadon2

Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead.

Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL

Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?

Lol @ you

I bet you would be up in arms if these developers were from 343.

Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead. Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?loosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]Greece: "Instead of using our money to fix our economy, let's waste it arresting and prosecuting game developers".Riadon2

Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead.

Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL

Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?

Lol @ you

I bet you would be up in arms if these developers were from 343.

It is just that some people in these forums are detached from reality.

Why would anyone assume game developers have the right to spy military installations ? In whatever condition or case, or anywhere in the world

Would US allow that ? Why do you think it is something that would only happen to Greece ?

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead. Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?Zeviander

Exactly, they cant afford to do background check to every crazy developer that spies on military installations

We agree

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead. Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?Zeviander

Any, competent, military intelligence organization, given this much time, would be able to determine whom these people are.

Greece has far more important things to be worrying about right now.

That´s the problem there.

wow this is bad... why do i fet the sense that there is more to this than it seems?

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead. Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?MrYaotubo

Any, competent, military intelligence organization, given this much time, would be able to determine whom these people are.

Greece has far more important things to be worrying about right now.

That´s the problem there.

[QUOTE="MrYaotubo"]

[QUOTE="Zeviander"]

Any, competent, military intelligence organization, given this much time, would be able to determine whom these people are.

Greece has far more important things to be worrying about right now.ReadingRainbow4

That´s the problem there.

No wonder they are the embarasment of europe these days

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead.

Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL

Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?

loosingENDS

Lol @ you

I bet you would be up in arms if these developers were from 343.

It is just that some people in these forums are detached from reality.

Why would anyone assume game developers have the right to spy military installations ? In whatever condition or case, or anywhere in the world

Would US allow that ? Why do you think it is something that would only happen to Greece ?

Go get on an alt, no one is going to take loosingEnds seriously.

wow this is bad... why do i fet the sense that there is more to this than it seems?

TheEroica

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Lol @ you

I bet you would be up in arms if these developers were from 343.

Riadon2

It is just that some people in these forums are detached from reality.

Why would anyone assume game developers have the right to spy military installations ? In whatever condition or case, or anywhere in the world

Would US allow that ? Why do you think it is something that would only happen to Greece ?

Go get on an alt, no one is going to take loosingEnds seriously.

Like noone would take someone that suggests they should be left free after spying seriously

Surly no serious goverment would leave people that have taken 10.000 pics of their military bases free

Maybe allow them to fly an F-16 too and have fun with the tanks ? LOL

How about release all the secrets and base locations as well ? Just in case

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

It is just that some people in these forums are detached from reality.

Why would anyone assume game developers have the right to spy military installations ? In whatever condition or case, or anywhere in the world

Would US allow that ? Why do you think it is something that would only happen to Greece ?

loosingENDS

Go get on an alt, no one is going to take loosingEnds seriously.

Like noone would take someone that suggests they should be left free after spying seriously

Surly no serious goverment would leave people that have taken 10.000 pics of their military bases free

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Go get on an alt, no one is going to take loosingEnds seriously.

ReadingRainbow4

Like noone would take someone that suggests they should be left free after spying seriously

Surly no serious goverment would leave people that have taken 10.000 pics of their military bases free

Well, 8GB (8000MB) / 1MB = 8000 pics

If they had 16GB sticks, would be far more than 10.000 pics

It is an average

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Like noone would take someone that suggests they should be left free after spying seriously

Surly no serious goverment would leave people that have taken 10.000 pics of their military bases free

loosingENDS

Well, 8GB (8000MB) / 1MB = 8000 pics

If they had 16GB sticks, would be far more than 10.000 pics

It is an average

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

Wow, Greece must be in a lot of crap about this, and rightfully so.

I mean, these are two videogame developers, on vacation, that didn't even take any pictures of military installations on purpose. They just happened to take a picture with a hangar far off from what I hear, and now they have to live in these crappy conditions.

I do hope the media is giving them a field day.

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

Goyoshi12

Every country in the world would do the same, some would have already killed them in actuality

It is hardly Greece fault these developers were morons

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

Goyoshi12

EA and Activision games are too shallow to require observation of real military practice.

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

Goyoshi12

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

Goyoshi12

From what I've read, they were 100% on vacation and not doing anything for ARMA when it happened. They weren't even at a military base or trying to take pictures of a military base, they were just snapping pictures and one had a part of a mlitary base in it.

It really is the dumbest thing, especially since Greece is supposedly a democratic and civilized nation and they still seem to be holding on to this crazed belief. They may as well accuse every tourist ever that has ever been near one of their military bases to be spies.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

SPYDER0416

From what I've read, they were 100% on vacation and not doing anything for ARMA when it happened. They weren't even at a military base or trying to take pictures of a military base, they were just snapping pictures and one had a part of a mlitary base in it.

It really is the dumbest thing, especially since Greece is supposedly a democratic and civilized nation and they still seem to be holding on to this crazed belief. They may as well accuse every tourist ever that has ever been near one of their military bases to be spies.

Damn :( Really hope nothing happens to them. It's really silly when you think about it. Greece are a bit of a running joke these days

Bloody hell, that's ridiculous. Big shame on Greece.

I hope when this is all over, Arma 3 has a prison break mission that takes place in greece.

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

loosingENDS

Every country in the world would do the same, some would have already killed them in actuality

It is hardly Greece fault these developers were morons

The Government of Greece are fvcking morons anyway and everyone in the world knows this by now.

They're doing nothing but wasting time and resources on some petty matter.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

God that's horrible, they're stuck in prison for developing a @#$%ing game and Greece is just going to keep them in jail till time runs out?

They can't see their families, friends, or anyone until their time in prison is up all over a stupid game? Gee, thanks Greece you Grade A ignorant @$$holes.

[spoiler] You know, this makes me wonder as to peoples reactions to the news if it was someone from EA or Activision who got put in jail instead. Wonder how people would take it. [/spoiler]

ReadingRainbow4

From what I've read, they were 100% on vacation and not doing anything for ARMA when it happened. They weren't even at a military base or trying to take pictures of a military base, they were just snapping pictures and one had a part of a mlitary base in it.

It really is the dumbest thing, especially since Greece is supposedly a democratic and civilized nation and they still seem to be holding on to this crazed belief. They may as well accuse every tourist ever that has ever been near one of their military bases to be spies.

Yeah as I understand it, Greece is in the hole economy wise and probably has all the free time in the world for this crap. I mean, they'll get out, if they don't Greece won't get anything but scorn and hate from, well, everyone, and it's obviously all false accusations against a couple of tourists.

Don't bother arguing with Loosey, he's a greek. I'm not racist but the greek are distrusting everyone ever since Turkey owned their ass and put them in their place for their bigotry. Just boycott greek products/vacactions or something. Greece has done enough damage to europe, they should arrest their thieving government instead of arma devs. Also lol @ them accusing the devs of spying, their military isn't worth spying on.

Don't bother arguing with Loosey, he's a greek. I'm not racist but the greek are distrusting everyone ever since Turkey owned their ass and put them in their place for their bigotry. Just boycott greek products/vacactions or something. Greece has done enough damage to europe, they should arrest their thieving government instead of arma devs. Also lol @ them accusing the devs of spying, their military isn't worth spying on.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Wow, Greece must be in a lot of crap about this, and rightfully so.

I mean, these are two videogame developers, on vacation, that didn't even take any pictures of military installations on purpose. They just happened to take a picture with a hangar far off from what I hear, and now they have to live in these crappy conditions.

I do hope the media is giving them a field day.

SPYDER0416

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

More than two months after a couple of developers from Czech studio Bohemia Interactive (ArmA) were arrested over espionage suspicions, the pair has had an appeal against the charges denied.

Bohemia's Ivan Buchta and Martin Pezlar were originally taken in after allegedly capturing video and photos of a military installation in Greece for an upcoming ArmA game.
According to local news sites, and as translated by Eurogamer, Buchta and Pezlar have now been denied bail and will be tried before a court in Greece. They could face up to 20 years in prison.

In the meantime, the families of the pair have spoken out, stating that the conditions they are being subjected to have been abysmal.
They're in a cell with over 25 people, they sleep on the ground," Buchta's father Miloslav stated. "They have food twice a day.

His mother added, "Our boys no longer tell us on the phone that it's alright, that they're handling it. After the court's decision we only hear from them something that no parent ever wants to hear: Mom, dad, please save us."

Greece gonna Greece I guess.

Oh yes, The Greek media are having a field day with this also, They claim the arma devs were spying for Turkey.

loosingENDS

Well, spies are usually shot, they should be greatfull they are alive. In other countries would have been shot on sight.

You simply DO NOT spy military installations, not ever

Unless you think you are James Bond

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead. Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?Zeviander

Truth is they are Console fanboys that don't understand what a real FPS game is. They are holding them hostage with auto aim and hitbox. And the devs can't see if the guns are real or not because of the sub HD and jaggies.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

From what I've read, they were 100% on vacation and not doing anything for ARMA when it happened. They weren't even at a military base or trying to take pictures of a military base, they were just snapping pictures and one had a part of a mlitary base in it.

It really is the dumbest thing, especially since Greece is supposedly a democratic and civilized nation and they still seem to be holding on to this crazed belief. They may as well accuse every tourist ever that has ever been near one of their military bases to be spies.

SPYDER0416

Yeah as I understand it, Greece is in the hole economy wise and probably has all the free time in the world for this crap. I mean, they'll get out, if they don't Greece won't get anything but scorn and hate from, well, everyone, and it's obviously all false accusations against a couple of tourists.

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

Don't bother arguing with Loosey, he's a greek. I'm not racist but the greek are distrusting everyone ever since Turkey owned their ass and put them in their place for their bigotry. Just boycott greek products/vacactions or something. Greece has done enough damage to europe, they should arrest their thieving government instead of arma devs. Also lol @ them accusing the devs of spying, their military isn't worth spying on.

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]Sure, because if they were cought in US spying military installations they would be served coffe and cookies and would be given free drinks for a year instead. Just because they happen to be game developers. LOL Sorry, does not work that way, when you catch someone spying, you have to assume he is a spy, otherwise why even bother guarding your military installations ?jonathant5