You can ask the bankers and lobbyists about that they have you , me , europe and the US by the ballsSo when are we getting our money back, Greece ?
You owe us some billions.
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I see most people automatically assume Greece is in the wrong. I personally would not feel very comfortable having Czechs taking pictures of military installations in my country. Gamasutra did not have enough info and mainly only from the dev's side. I am normally anti government but it is not like they were taking pics of some beach or park. The press release from the company said they were only taking pics from tourist areas but if they did more then that then they are in the wrong.loosingENDS
Any country that has the capability to threaten a NATO nation has satellites and other superior technology to spy with.
I'd say picture taking is pretty harmless.
But it is still not allowed in any military facility around the world
Which is why there are documentarys filmed in Military Bases around the world every day and parents take pictures on miltitary bases every day over here when there children Pass out, Not every country is as paranoid as Greece dude[QUOTE="loosingENDS"][QUOTE="PS3Compass"]
Any country that has the capability to threaten a NATO nation has satellites and other superior technology to spy with.
I'd say picture taking is pretty harmless.
delta3074
But it is still not allowed in any military facility around the world
Which is why there are documentarys filmed in Military Bases around the world every day and parents take pictures on miltitary bases every day over here when there children Pass out, Not every country is as paranoid as Greece dudeParents and documentary filmmakers can not just film wherever they want on military bases. Also there are bases that allow no filming or picture taking at all. When parents are on a base they are only allowed to go to certain areas. I was in the Navy for example and they needed to get passes and could only go to the pier where the ship was coming or going. Documentary film makers would be escorted wherever they went.ITT : clueless people talking **** about stuff they shouldnt on a VIDEO GAME site. Wtf is this? Country wars? Also wtf did Greece do to you to deserve so much hate?...i see plenty of butthurt for greeks in this thread. Lock this please modspanos322Hey there, Hey! Don't start a riot in my thread. Also this is in a way gaming related, they are holding two devs of the ARMA team hostage for taking vacation photo's.
Which is why there are documentarys filmed in Military Bases around the world every day and parents take pictures on miltitary bases every day over here when there children Pass out, Not every country is as paranoid as Greece dudeParents and documentary filmmakers can not just film wherever they want on military bases. Also there are bases that allow no filming or picture taking at all. When parents are on a base they are only allowed to go to certain areas. I was in the Navy for example and they needed to get passes and could only go to the pier where the ship was coming or going. Documentary film makers would be escorted wherever they went.i was in the Army for 6 years dude, and like i said, in a camp we trained in in Pehhale we HAD to let the public walk across the base whenever they felt like it because it was a Public right of way. I agree with you that Certain Parts of military bases are off limits but i highly doubt any of the Arma developers where anywhere near Anywhere that would be considered off limits, if they where then the person in charge of security on base should be arrested for incompetence as well and the only bases i and think of where absolutely no filming is allowed i am not allowed to disclose on this forum as 90% of the publivc don't even know they exist, Saying that i doubt the ARMY is as bothered about security as you 'Grey funnel line ' boys are, we don't really have the same level of 'sensetive' technology as the Navy and Air force, the point i was trying to make is that these guys only probably took pictures of something the Public have already seen and where probably nowhere near any sensetive areas of the base, we never arrested anybody for taking pictures of us when we where on guard duty at Bases in Germany or britain, tourists would take pictures of us all the time, The only time we discouraged it was in NI but we never arrested anyone just told them to jog on or we would arrest them. I understand the Need for security in this day and age but Greece has gone over the top, they have not even charged these guys yet are still holding them, if i where the Greek authortiy i would publicise the Fact that Arma devs are interested in there military and i would make a huge deal about how my country was helping them make there game, what could have been a PR plus for them they have turned into a PR nightmare, you start going down the road that everybody who take pictures of military bases are Spys where does it end?[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]
But it is still not allowed in any military facility around the world
CanYouDiglt
ITT : clueless people talking **** about stuff they shouldnt on a VIDEO GAME site. Wtf is this? Country wars? Also wtf did Greece do to you to deserve so much hate?...i see plenty of butthurt for greeks in this thread. Lock this please modspanos322
Some of us know more than games believe it or not. This is a topic that happens to coincide with politics and gaming so it's fine imo.
I see no attempts at prejudice here. If anything your preconcieved notion as this not being ideal even if it has some gaming significance is off base.
In other words, no need to be mad.
[QUOTE="panos322"]ITT : clueless people talking **** about stuff they shouldnt on a VIDEO GAME site. Wtf is this? Country wars? Also wtf did Greece do to you to deserve so much hate?...i see plenty of butthurt for greeks in this thread. Lock this please modsAznbkdX
Some of us know more than games believe it or not. This is a topic that happens to coincide with politics and gaming so it's fine imo.
I see no attempts at prejudice here. If anything your preconcieved notion as this not being ideal even if it has some gaming significance is off base.
In other words, no need to be mad.
oh please everyone is taking this as an opportunity to rip on greece' s economy and its people. That has nothing to do with the issue. Its just that people like to have an excuse to beat up on a vulnerable target. Nobody here understands the facts of the case so I fail to see any possible intellectual nature of this discussion[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Parents and documentary filmmakers can not just film wherever they want on military bases. Also there are bases that allow no filming or picture taking at all. When parents are on a base they are only allowed to go to certain areas. I was in the Navy for example and they needed to get passes and could only go to the pier where the ship was coming or going. Documentary film makers would be escorted wherever they went.i was in the Army for 6 years dude, and like i said, in a camp we trained in in Pehhale we HAD to let the public walk across the base whenever they felt like it because it was a Public right of way. I agree with you that Certain Parts of military bases are off limits but i highly doubt any of the Arma developers where anywhere near Anywhere that would be considered off limits, if they where then the person in charge of security on base should be arrested for incompetence as well and the only bases i and think of where absolutely no filming is allowed i am not allowed to disclose on this forum as 90% of the publivc don't even know they exist, Saying that i doubt the ARMY is as bothered about security as you 'Grey funnel line ' boys are, we don't really have the same level of 'sensetive' technology as the Navy and Air force, the point i was trying to make is that these guys only probably took pictures of something the Public have already seen and where probably nowhere near any sensetive areas of the base, we never arrested anybody for taking pictures of us when we where on guard duty at Bases in Germany or britain, tourists would take pictures of us all the time, The only time we discouraged it was in NI but we never arrested anyone just told them to jog on or we would arrest them. I understand the Need for security in this day and age but Greece has gone over the top, they have not even charged these guys yet are still holding them, if i where the Greek authortiy i would publicise the Fact that Arma devs are interested in there military and i would make a huge deal about how my country was helping them make there game, what could have been a PR plus for them they have turned into a PR nightmare, you start going down the road that everybody who take pictures of military bases are Spys where does it end?You are doing a lot of guessing on what they took pictures of and where they took them.The articles I have read did not give out much information and even less from Greece's point of view. It seems you have about the same amount of information as I do which is little. Like I said I was in the Navy not the army but the rules will not be very different. Your first comment was that parents and documentary film makers can film or take pictures of military bases which is simply not true. There are certain areas where it is fine for the public and obviously the other areas not so much. Hell there are areas on bases where not all soldiers/ sailors / airman are not able to go even if it is their base. I have been to a few different bases and some are very relaxed and some not so much. Your base sounds more relaxed. You also do not know what type of base they took pictures of, what type of armaments they carry, has that base had problems in the past or anything. You are already convinced Greece is in the wrong without all the information just because these two may had a part in making a game you like. I personally have no idea who is the wrong but I think it is actually going to be a misunderstanding in the end.[QUOTE="delta3074"]Which is why there are documentarys filmed in Military Bases around the world every day and parents take pictures on miltitary bases every day over here when there children Pass out, Not every country is as paranoid as Greece dudedelta3074
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I see most people automatically assume Greece is in the wrong. I personally would not feel very comfortable having Czechs taking pictures of military installations in my country. Gamasutra did not have enough info and mainly only from the dev's side. I am normally anti government but it is not like they were taking pics of some beach or park. The press release from the company said they were only taking pics from tourist areas but if they did more then that then they are in the wrong.loosingENDS
Any country that has the capability to threaten a NATO nation has satellites and other superior technology to spy with.
I'd say picture taking is pretty harmless.
But it is still not allowed in any military facility around the world
Have you ever been to a base open house? The US does it. Japan does it. Heck. This is probably more advanced than anything the Hellenic Air Force has.Or maybe even aloft.....
Like someone else said, not all the world's military are as paranoid as Greece's........and Turkey. Might as well put them in too. They're just as bad.
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[QUOTE="PS3Compass"]
Any country that has the capability to threaten a NATO nation has satellites and other superior technology to spy with.
I'd say picture taking is pretty harmless.
jun_aka_pekto
But it is still not allowed in any military facility around the world
Have you ever been to a base open house? The US does it. Japan does it. Heck. This is probably more advanced than anything the Hellenic Air Force has.True.
When I was in the States there was an Aircraft carrier open for public visits. I stuck my head down the exhaust of a parked jet.
Good times.
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[QUOTE="panos322"]ITT : clueless people talking **** about stuff they shouldnt on a VIDEO GAME site. Wtf is this? Country wars? Also wtf did Greece do to you to deserve so much hate?...i see plenty of butthurt for greeks in this thread. Lock this please modsGunSmith1_basic
Some of us know more than games believe it or not. This is a topic that happens to coincide with politics and gaming so it's fine imo.
I see no attempts at prejudice here. If anything your preconcieved notion as this not being ideal even if it has some gaming significance is off base.
In other words, no need to be mad.
oh please everyone is taking this as an opportunity to rip on greece' s economy and its people. That has nothing to do with the issue. Its just that people like to have an excuse to beat up on a vulnerable target. Nobody here understands the facts of the case so I fail to see any possible intellectual nature of this discussion Honestly pretty easy to see why this is the case. I just feel that there are a few that talk about the issue at hand. I guess there is ragging and its late so I didn't look to see the major offenders but some are being more legitimate.I can see why espionage may have been an issue as for any country. I come from South Korea so news of ppl not even making it to the north is common. The ones that did were set to strict rulings on where they can go and what information they can leave with. The ppl had it even worse as they were obligated to stay for the most part.
This is a ruling for an aggressive country though so I have to admit Greece's stance was too harsh imo.
i was in the Army for 6 years dude, and like i said, in a camp we trained in in Pehhale we HAD to let the public walk across the base whenever they felt like it because it was a Public right of way. I agree with you that Certain Parts of military bases are off limits but i highly doubt any of the Arma developers where anywhere near Anywhere that would be considered off limits, if they where then the person in charge of security on base should be arrested for incompetence as well and the only bases i and think of where absolutely no filming is allowed i am not allowed to disclose on this forum as 90% of the publivc don't even know they exist, Saying that i doubt the ARMY is as bothered about security as you 'Grey funnel line ' boys are, we don't really have the same level of 'sensetive' technology as the Navy and Air force, the point i was trying to make is that these guys only probably took pictures of something the Public have already seen and where probably nowhere near any sensetive areas of the base, we never arrested anybody for taking pictures of us when we where on guard duty at Bases in Germany or britain, tourists would take pictures of us all the time, The only time we discouraged it was in NI but we never arrested anyone just told them to jog on or we would arrest them. I understand the Need for security in this day and age but Greece has gone over the top, they have not even charged these guys yet are still holding them, if i where the Greek authortiy i would publicise the Fact that Arma devs are interested in there military and i would make a huge deal about how my country was helping them make there game, what could have been a PR plus for them they have turned into a PR nightmare, you start going down the road that everybody who take pictures of military bases are Spys where does it end?You are doing a lot of guessing on what they took pictures of and where they took them.The articles I have read did not give out much information and even less from Greece's point of view. It seems you have about the same amount of information as I do which is little. Like I said I was in the Navy not the army but the rules will not be very different. Your first comment was that parents and documentary film makers can film or take pictures of military bases which is simply not true. There are certain areas where it is fine for the public and obviously the other areas not so much. Hell there are areas on bases where not all soldiers/ sailors / airman are not able to go even if it is their base. I have been to a few different bases and some are very relaxed and some not so much. Your base sounds more relaxed. You also do not know what type of base they took pictures of, what type of armaments they carry, has that base had problems in the past or anything. You are already convinced Greece is in the wrong without all the information just because these two may had a part in making a game you like. I personally have no idea who is the wrong but I think it is actually going to be a misunderstanding in the end.I don't play ARAMA so no, it has nothing to do with the, being game developers for a Game i 'like' and like i said before, i fully understand that Some areas in Bases are off limits, Even to military personal, Be honest with yourself, what are the chances they where in those areas and then ask yourself, if they where, why did soldiers not stop them from being there in the first place because off limits areas are usually Very heavily guarded and nobody would be allowed in a stones throw,Lets also be honest about Greece, they don't excactly have anything in there arsenal that Joe public has not seen before, they don't Produce there own arms or military technology really and everything they use is known and has been seen by the public, the only thing i can think they would be worried about is People taking pictures to gain intel on ther security but you wouldn't need pictures for that a dicker would suffice for that sort of thing, either way they have been awefully heavy handed and i have a strong suspicion it's because the Devs are from the czech republic,they have held them for far too long without charging them or issuing an official statement as to there reasoning for holding them in the first place and it's not the first time, they Hald a bunch of british photographers for taking pictures of Planes that the whole world had already seen at airshows around the world, accusing every foregner that takes pictures near a military base of being spys is a little over-zealous if you ask me. Yeah our base was pretty relaxed, too relaxed sometimes but thats the Royal anglians for you,lol[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Parents and documentary filmmakers can not just film wherever they want on military bases. Also there are bases that allow no filming or picture taking at all. When parents are on a base they are only allowed to go to certain areas. I was in the Navy for example and they needed to get passes and could only go to the pier where the ship was coming or going. Documentary film makers would be escorted wherever they went.
CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="PS3Compass"]
Any country that has the capability to threaten a NATO nation has satellites and other superior technology to spy with.
I'd say picture taking is pretty harmless.
jun_aka_pekto
But it is still not allowed in any military facility around the world
Have you ever been to a base open house? The US does it. Japan does it. Heck. This is probably more advanced than anything the Hellenic Air Force has.Or maybe even aloft.....
Like someone else said, not all the world's military are as paranoid as Greece's........and Turkey. Might as well put them in too. They're just as bad.
They do it over here in blighty as well, i supervised a few open days, good times, show the public around, tell them about the kit and how it works, stop children from taking there own fingers off with Stirling SMG's, 3 squares a day, nine til Five, cushy number,lolBottom line is that I wouldn't take any pictures of the inside of a military facility without express permission to do so, which it would appear there guys did not have. I especially wouldn't do it in a sensitive region with disputed areas like the middle east, Korea, Taiwan, India, or Greece. I want these guys released too but my god what on Earth were they thinking?GunSmith1_basic
They probably weren't thinking. If they were, they were thinking something other than using common sense. It just goes to show it's not just Americans who do dumb and stupid things (like hike into Iran or sneak into North Korea).
Bottom line is that I wouldn't take any pictures of the inside of a military facility without express permission to do so, which it would appear there guys did not have. I especially wouldn't do it in a sensitive region with disputed areas like the middle east, Korea, Taiwan, India, or Greece. I want these guys released too but my god what on Earth were they thinking?GunSmith1_basic
Greece is slightly more paranoid for there well being compared to my example for the most part.
Some bases are off limits but if they were truly so worried they would have told the visitors or would have put a sign up methinks.
If that's the case then the visitors were to be blamed completely. Otherwise I think it may be too harsh.
There are a few bases that can be photographed. They normally put disclaimers or you are told in person about it if it's confidential.
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]Thats a bit harsh man, you can't liken Greece to Iran and North Korea, this is really Bad yeah but do you remeber how long the Iranians kept those american Embassy staff, State sponsored kidnapping, 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days, and Nobody probably leaves north Korea once they Enter.I think the Bohemia Interactive employees should be let go. Even Iran and North Korea didn't keep their "spy prisoners" too long.
delta3074
My bad. I wasn't referring to the Khomeini/post-Shah Revolution. I didn't like the situation myself. But, I saw why the Irannians were so angry at the time.
I was referring the dumb American hikers who sneaked into Iran and the dumb journalists who tried to sneak into North Korea. You'd think everyone would be cautious after those incidents. But, apparently not. Someone else tried to sneak into North Korea soon after the journalists did.
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I think Greece should follow as well.
[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]You are doing a lot of guessing on what they took pictures of and where they took them.The articles I have read did not give out much information and even less from Greece's point of view. It seems you have about the same amount of information as I do which is little. Like I said I was in the Navy not the army but the rules will not be very different. Your first comment was that parents and documentary film makers can film or take pictures of military bases which is simply not true. There are certain areas where it is fine for the public and obviously the other areas not so much. Hell there are areas on bases where not all soldiers/ sailors / airman are not able to go even if it is their base. I have been to a few different bases and some are very relaxed and some not so much. Your base sounds more relaxed. You also do not know what type of base they took pictures of, what type of armaments they carry, has that base had problems in the past or anything. You are already convinced Greece is in the wrong without all the information just because these two may had a part in making a game you like. I personally have no idea who is the wrong but I think it is actually going to be a misunderstanding in the end.I don't play ARAMA so no, it has nothing to do with the, being game developers for a Game i 'like' and like i said before, i fully understand that Some areas in Bases are off limits, Even to military personal, Be honest with yourself, what are the chances they where in those areas and then ask yourself, if they where, why did soldiers not stop them from being there in the first place because off limits areas are usually Very heavily guarded and nobody would be allowed in a stones throw,Lets also be honest about Greece, they don't excactly have anything in there arsenal that Joe public has not seen before, they don't Produce there own arms or military technology really and everything they use is known and has been seen by the public, the only thing i can think they would be worried about is People taking pictures to gain intel on ther security but you wouldn't need pictures for that a dicker would suffice for that sort of thing, either way they have been awefully heavy handed and i have a strong suspicion it's because the Devs are from the czech republic,they have held them for far too long without charging them or issuing an official statement as to there reasoning for holding them in the first place and it's not the first time, they Hald a bunch of british photographers for taking pictures of Planes that the whole world had already seen at airshows around the world, accusing every foregner that takes pictures near a military base of being spys is a little over-zealous if you ask me. Yeah our base was pretty relaxed, too relaxed sometimes but thats the Royal anglians for you,lollol actually our rules would be a tad different then since I was in the American navy. As far as would it be easy for them to get into more secure areas to take pictures, well no it would not be easy but it does happen. Like I said I have no idea what they even took pics of or what the base is like that they were at. You are probably right that it does have some to do with them being czech. Also like I said I think they will be let go and Greece will say it was a misunderstanding.[QUOTE="delta3074"]i was in the Army for 6 years dude, and like i said, in a camp we trained in in Pehhale we HAD to let the public walk across the base whenever they felt like it because it was a Public right of way. I agree with you that Certain Parts of military bases are off limits but i highly doubt any of the Arma developers where anywhere near Anywhere that would be considered off limits, if they where then the person in charge of security on base should be arrested for incompetence as well and the only bases i and think of where absolutely no filming is allowed i am not allowed to disclose on this forum as 90% of the publivc don't even know they exist, Saying that i doubt the ARMY is as bothered about security as you 'Grey funnel line ' boys are, we don't really have the same level of 'sensetive' technology as the Navy and Air force, the point i was trying to make is that these guys only probably took pictures of something the Public have already seen and where probably nowhere near any sensetive areas of the base, we never arrested anybody for taking pictures of us when we where on guard duty at Bases in Germany or britain, tourists would take pictures of us all the time, The only time we discouraged it was in NI but we never arrested anyone just told them to jog on or we would arrest them. I understand the Need for security in this day and age but Greece has gone over the top, they have not even charged these guys yet are still holding them, if i where the Greek authortiy i would publicise the Fact that Arma devs are interested in there military and i would make a huge deal about how my country was helping them make there game, what could have been a PR plus for them they have turned into a PR nightmare, you start going down the road that everybody who take pictures of military bases are Spys where does it end?delta3074
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]You are doing a lot of guessing on what they took pictures of and where they took them.The articles I have read did not give out much information and even less from Greece's point of view. It seems you have about the same amount of information as I do which is little. Like I said I was in the Navy not the army but the rules will not be very different. Your first comment was that parents and documentary film makers can film or take pictures of military bases which is simply not true. There are certain areas where it is fine for the public and obviously the other areas not so much. Hell there are areas on bases where not all soldiers/ sailors / airman are not able to go even if it is their base. I have been to a few different bases and some are very relaxed and some not so much. Your base sounds more relaxed. You also do not know what type of base they took pictures of, what type of armaments they carry, has that base had problems in the past or anything. You are already convinced Greece is in the wrong without all the information just because these two may had a part in making a game you like. I personally have no idea who is the wrong but I think it is actually going to be a misunderstanding in the end.CanYouDigltI don't play ARAMA so no, it has nothing to do with the, being game developers for a Game i 'like' and like i said before, i fully understand that Some areas in Bases are off limits, Even to military personal, Be honest with yourself, what are the chances they where in those areas and then ask yourself, if they where, why did soldiers not stop them from being there in the first place because off limits areas are usually Very heavily guarded and nobody would be allowed in a stones throw,Lets also be honest about Greece, they don't excactly have anything in there arsenal that Joe public has not seen before, they don't Produce there own arms or military technology really and everything they use is known and has been seen by the public, the only thing i can think they would be worried about is People taking pictures to gain intel on ther security but you wouldn't need pictures for that a dicker would suffice for that sort of thing, either way they have been awefully heavy handed and i have a strong suspicion it's because the Devs are from the czech republic,they have held them for far too long without charging them or issuing an official statement as to there reasoning for holding them in the first place and it's not the first time, they Hald a bunch of british photographers for taking pictures of Planes that the whole world had already seen at airshows around the world, accusing every foregner that takes pictures near a military base of being spys is a little over-zealous if you ask me. Yeah our base was pretty relaxed, too relaxed sometimes but thats the Royal anglians for you,lollol actually our rules would be a tad different then since I was in the American navy. As far as would it be easy for them to get into more secure areas to take pictures, well no it would not be easy but it does happen. Like I said I have no idea what they even took pics of or what the base is like that they were at. You are probably right that it does have some to do with them being czech. Also like I said I think they will be let go and Greece will say it was a misunderstanding.i am not suprised your security was tight, US Navy has alsorts of military projects going on and after what happened 9/11 it's understandable, the difference between the US and greece is that the US actually has stuff that should be kept secret,Never Seen before stuff, Ultra cool badass stuff i bet.
Thats a bit harsh man, you can't liken Greece to Iran and North Korea, this is really Bad yeah but do you remeber how long the Iranians kept those american Embassy staff, State sponsored kidnapping, 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days, and Nobody probably leaves north Korea once they Enter.[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]
I think the Bohemia Interactive employees should be let go. Even Iran and North Korea didn't keep their "spy prisoners" too long.
jun_aka_pekto
My bad. I wasn't referring to the Khomeini/post-Shah Revolution. I didn't like the situation myself. But, I saw why the Irannians were so angry at the time.
I was referring the dumb American hikers who sneaked into Iran and the dumb journalists who tried to sneak into North Korea. You'd think everyone would be cautious after those incidents. But, apparently not. Someone else tried to sneak into North Korea soon after the journalists did.
Capture: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094304575030121165802074.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Release: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/world/asia/28korea.html
I think Greece should follow as well.
Pretty much no one leaves or enters the northern side. That definitely includes the south as the dmz is still very much guarded well. If you want to feel better about coming here, come to the south. :P
They are stupid but curiosity killed the cat as you could say. They aren't in the best position as of now. I haven't heard much about their state lately since Kim jong ils son has risen (bet the generals are doing most of the leading now) now but I bet their paranoia is still much higher than other countries that are warring.
From what I read it didn't say the installation in Greece was confidential but if it was they should be penalized for espionage and all that for safe measure like I said before. They are wary of their scenery photography but it sounds like they had similar issues with pardons on others. Theoretically this can be a refocusing for spy activities over there own issues, which can explain why they pardoned the rest quickly. Still its not good imo for greece to hold itself to that publicity guise on photography of their lands. If it's not about that, then it's harsh in the sense that it's not completely serious compared to restricted places.
[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="panos322"]As i said you are totally clueless. Did you know that greece airspace gets violated almost daily by turkish fighters? And that turkey disputes greeces claim on parts of the agean? The greek military is on alert ever since cyprus and lymnos is right at the border . I know ive served in the military base there. I dont expect you to understand nor am i trying to make you understand , just stop talking about things you dont know. Also that insignificant little dot in the map gave you your civilization and your democracy so have at least some respect , you barbarianpanos322Persia was once a pretty cool place too, but that does not mean that the people running it today are cool. Lol apples & oranges . Love the comparison . ARE. U serioursy compairing Greece with IRAN?... LMFAO . Ok I think i am done here Greece's government turned the national debt into a WMD and dropped it on their own people, so yeah, maybe the comparison wasn't the best (Iran is going to try and nuke Israel, not themselves).
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]
[QUOTE="delta3074"]Thats a bit harsh man, you can't liken Greece to Iran and North Korea, this is really Bad yeah but do you remeber how long the Iranians kept those american Embassy staff, State sponsored kidnapping, 52 Americans were held hostage for 444 days, and Nobody probably leaves north Korea once they Enter.AznbkdX
My bad. I wasn't referring to the Khomeini/post-Shah Revolution. I didn't like the situation myself. But, I saw why the Irannians were so angry at the time.
I was referring the dumb American hikers who sneaked into Iran and the dumb journalists who tried to sneak into North Korea. You'd think everyone would be cautious after those incidents. But, apparently not. Someone else tried to sneak into North Korea soon after the journalists did.
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Release: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/world/asia/28korea.html
I think Greece should follow as well.
Pretty much no one leaves or enters the northern side. That definitely includes the south as the dmz is still very much guarded well. If you want to feel better about coming here, come to the south. :P
They are stupid but curiosity killed the cat as you could say. They aren't in the best position as of now. I haven't heard much about their state lately since Kim jong ils son has risen (bet the generals are doing most of the leading now) now but I bet their paranoia is still much higher than other countries that are warring.
From what I read it didn't say the installation in Greece was confidential but it was if they should be penalized for espionage and all that for safe measure like I said before. They are wary of their scenery photography but it sounds like they had similar issues with pardons on others. Theoretically this can be a refocusing for spy activities over there own issues, which can explain why they pardoned the rest quickly. Still its not good imo for greece to hold itself to that publicity guise on photography of their lands. If it's not about that, then it's harsh in the sense that it's not completely serious compared to restricted places.
If you mean North Korea, then I've been to the US bases near the DMZ and Pammunjom in the past. I arrived there shortly after that Kiowa was shot down by the North Koreans. The DMZ is still a warzone. There's not enough money in the world for me to pass through the DMZ. Heck. I still wouldn't enter it even if I have an army with me. The army is welcome to enter it. Not me, though. :lol: I'm done with these stuff.
Concerning those recent incidences, the journalists were released not too long after they were captured. The Iranians too released the hikers.
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It'd be fine if the Greeks let the BI employees go scot-free. But, I wouldn't have any problems if the Greeks kept them in prison just long enough to put the fear of God into them and/or slap them a fine afterwards.
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