Are Knack and KZ really that bad?

I enjoyed Knacked *shrugs* Its not this abomination that people make it sound its a fun little game and light hearted. As for Killzone it was fun the graphics are really good i didn't enjoy the story that much the ending was pretty good though.

Yeah, I mean personally I thought Resistance (at least the first 2) were a much better set of games than the Killzone franchise but whatever I guess.

Knack has lame level design and boring combat but I played some of it and it's not as horrible than I thought it'd be. :/ I'd give it a 5-6, from what I played.

And it's full of jaggies. -___-

KZ is like $35 so ill grab it this Friday and see what's up (expectation are low as ballz)

Can't really get into KZ atm but Knack was quite enjoyable. More fun than some of the supposedly higher rated games I've played in the past, so no, Knack is really not that bad.

Knack is soulless, probably just mediocre...not bad per se. Killzone is fine, but probably franchise fatigue...

Ive enjoyed knack quite a bit (I might even shoot for the platinum).
Killzone Shadowfall is great, the single player is good at best, but the multiplayer is where it's at.

Knack sold more than mario and killzone sold our 2.5 million.Both are great. Only the most rancid of asshurt, think otherwise.

Knack was the most hyped up piece of trash all gen. Can't even think of a good analogy to describe it other than comparing it to a porta john filled to the brim with 100 day old turds and vomit out in 110 degree heat with 100% humidity.

for the first half Killzone SF it's a 9/10 game. For the second half the game feels like GG ran out of time and budget because everything is extremely dull, both graphics and gameplay. The environments start to become more and more boring and the encounters with the hordes of enemies super repetitive.

Cerny was the director and writer of Knack, not the programmer or artist of the game.

My guess is that they're not bad games, just mediocre or "okay". They are solid, and made well, but don't have any component to that separates them from the rest in a meaningful way.

Nah. The majority of people who hate knack and killzone are either 1) Immature 12 year old kids (or adults with their mentality) that think they look stupid, never play them but say they are stupid and 2) Xbox douche butt fanboys who have never played but still bash them left and right simply because they are on the PS4.

Knack was ok, it wasn't great but not awful. It felt like it had potential that was wasted. But its a launch title and most launch titles aren't that great because lets face it, most are knocked out just to get a game on the shelf for launch and nothing else.

Killzone was a very solid shooter that was fun. Again not great but not awful either. It was a solid launch title game for a new system that did its job of entertaining me, but I doubt Ill play it again.

In a year from now I doubt Ill recommend either to someone just buying a PS4, unless they are really cheap at the time.

I dunno. Maybe if you were playing those games instead of imagining the experience you might be able to form a more reasonable opinion.

Yes. The PS4 launch titles are meh.

Yeah both of them are terrible.

Recently got a PS4 and I have no interest in either of them. I'd rather play nothing at all if given a choice.

both are just as wack as ryse and dr3

4 games to be forgotten

Shadow Fall is ok (looks amazing, though). Never played Knack, but going by walkthrough vids, it's too easy and basic.

is it really that bad.

I played KZ at a friend's house and it was ok, but nothing special. Honestly I only played about an hour and lost interest.

I played knack at a GS demo kiosk. It seemed fun at first, but after about 5 minutes I exited the game and walked away.

He was in charge of the game, which really makes him look bad in this case. Especially when a game like this drops to 14fps. He was suppose to be showcasing the power of the PS4 and that didn't even come close with Knack. Sure, I don't think it deserves a 4 just like Ryse doesn't, but it was definitely a failure.

What? If at all, Knack felt much more like a throwback to the old days of gaming, I'd compare it the old Double Dragon games.

It's definitely not a 4. I played it coop with my GF and it was really fun, we both immensely enjoyed it. A 6 is a more realistic score IMO.

Killzone is good. It's not great but good and thus nowhere near bad. The campaign is pretty cool, nice set pieces and some pretty cool atmosphere. Haven't played the MPO too much; it's pretty standard and good to play every once in a while but nothing to get too invested in.

Killzone Shadowfall is fantastic. Knack is an alright platformer...just don't expect anything new out of it.

I haven't played Shadowfall, but all the killzone games have been competent shooters with stellar visuals that push the technology. Killzone 3 had very solid MP with a ton of variety to it. Killzone mercenaries is simply put, the best FPS on a handheld. On top of that, GG crank these games out for each Sony platform, 6 games in 9 years isn't too bad. There is one on ps2, psp, ps vita, ps4, and 2 on ps3, all of which have reviewed and sold decently. Its pretty much a bread and butter franchise for them.

They are also working on a new IP now anyway, so we'll see if they continue to make killzone games.

Is Knack even a platformer? I haven't played it, but everything I've seen of it just makes it look like a shallow beat-em-up.

It actually is a platformer. Plays like a very simple platformer with beat em up tendencies, you had that part correct.

so you can imagine how much fun you are having? wut!?!?!?!

anyway, kzs is okay. theres nothing wrong with it really, but there is nothing that stands out besides the graphics and even the graphics has some low points (wtf is up with the blood, ugly skin/pore textures or none at all). it deserved the score it got.

i havent played knack past the demo and they said that it doesnt get any better than that. i had fun with the demo so im not sure it warrants the 4. it was a 6 in my book

Ah, I see. I might give it a rent when I get a PS4. Looks like it might be some fun co-op for a weekend.

I loved playing Killzone the first time. A solid 8.5 in my book, but I honestly haven't had the desire to go back and play it.

Yeah it's kinda like playing a pixar video game...if all you account for is visuals and strip out everything that makes Pixar special.

Knack is decent. A poor mans Crash Bandicoot without the comedy, cool deaths, and cool character. But I am enjoying it. Shadowfall is a piece of shit. The single player gets worse the farther you get into it (After the train station it is so bad I was forcing myself to play it.). The multiplayer is fun but a little bland.

I wouldn't play Knack if it were offered to me for free, but Killzone is not too bad. It's not my favorite FPS, but they borrowed a lot of ideas from Crisis, making it more diverse from a Gameplay perspective. I really like the online portion most of all, though I do miss the weapon unlock system from part 3. The singleplayer was a tad disappointing, but it sure was nice looking. So yeah... it's on sale now, and I recommend it - particularly for the online.

Not to mention the lead platform is the PS 3 since it's pretty much reusing Demon Souls for a lot of things.

Sony was smart to have a platformer for the holidays, bad game or not.

Didn't KZ get like a 7? I thought 7s were considered good.

i think lems are discounting A rated titles...AA and AAA scores now?

I have only played the knack demo for like 30 minutes and i thought it was a good game overall. It was better than i was expecting it to be and i don't understand all the hate it gets. As of now, i would give it a 7/10. I will purchase it some day in the future.

I actually found it a nice easy going story, i think we judge games like these to more mature games, we really have gone away from child platformers and were alot more into depth stories and more mature themes nowadays, it's funny how much KNACK gets judged when the creator Mark Cerny spoke about how he didn't want to make a great blockbuster game nor is it the best game, he wanted an easy going game for young players and new players coming onto a console from a mobile gaming experience, which i honestly believe the reviews were never judged in that way and it's always compared to the big hitters.

Different genres, different tastes! Comparing Knack and Forza is like comparing Spinach and Gummi bears! I happen to enjoy Knack for what it is and I enjoy Forza 5 for what it is!

Killzone is pretty good. I would give it a 7. It's MP is meh though.

Knack... I busted on that game so much, then I got it for $30... Found out that it was really fun. I would give it an 8.

Is Killzone SF like Killzone 2? If so its horrible and sticking your fingers into a vice sounds more pleasing and satisfying.

They need that "halo spark" of ingenuity, where it's instantly recognizable, and iconic imagery. Killzone has the red eyed helghast but..honestly I don't think anyone is that nostalgic over them after all these years.

Knack seems like a really great game for a younger audience, a thought that the devs had at the forefront of the creation process. Not every game is for this forum's main audience.

i was the biggest Killzone fan since its inception absolutely loved the series and then Shadowfall comes along and destroyed all my nostalgia. yes its pretty. its also very boring and it has certain areas that are plain stupid like freefalling through turbines and too many take this battery from here to there areas that destroy what little pacing the game has. the battles are also very boring. game feels like they made a nice world to play in first but had to cram in the actual gameplay resulting in the worst killzone by far. giving it an 8 was generous the game is a 6 for the fact that its just not enjoyable at all

Not enjoyable would probably be like a 4 - 5. Any lower would imply the game is downright broken.

I haven't played Knack yet, but I've seen people play it live on the PlayStation 4 and it looks good.

i thought 6 since the game is pretty, it does run well but the gameplay is down right boring. the only feature i enjoyed was the OWL but thats just a gimmicky control i would have prefered an old school ghost recon type command for squad members

forgot to add the little robots you can hack and control-that was a really annoying part of the game.

Just started playing KZ:SF and the SP campaign is crap so far....hope it will get better.