Analyst believe PS5 will be 3600G launch at $399

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#1 Posted by NfamousLegend (324 posts) -

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumors-sony-playstation-5-399-ryzen-3600g,39141.html

We see these analysts all the time from Pachter continuously getting prediction wrong to these new guys. They say the PS5 will launch at $399 and feature the Zen 3600G. Of course it's just another prediction and at first glance it looks legit. However, after looking around there seems to be several mistakes. They claimed the 3600G was unveiled at CES which it wasn't. And while the 3600G is expected to feature 8 cores the GPU component only has 20CU with 1280 stream cores. Hardley a console capable of ray tracing and 8K graphics. Sony would need graphics 3X as fast as the rumored APU.

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#2 Posted by XVision84 (15795 posts) -

I don't believe any analyst. I also think Sony will sell at $499 because I doubt they can pull off PS5 specs at $399 unless they sell at a hefty loss. That hasn't worked out well for them in the past.

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#3 Posted by Juub1990 (8451 posts) -

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

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#4 Edited by Gatygun (1429 posts) -
@Juub1990 said:

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

Dude doesn't understand what supported resolutions means. And starts assuming.

Not hard to fool console gamers.

They honestly think they are getting a 2k PC in a 500 dollar box.

They will get a low/mid pc spec on hardware wise for 400 bucks.

Or for PC gamers, just slam a new 300 buck GPU in there and done you are.

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#5 Posted by NfamousLegend (324 posts) -

@Juub1990: no I dont believe it, Cerny's words not mine. I'm sure 8K will be supported for movies and such or simple indie games.

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#6 Edited by rmpumper (559 posts) -

Lol @ peasants who expect 8K60 with raytraycing. How dense do you have to be to believe bs like that. It will be as follows:

- 8K video output (even 1050Ti has 8K support)

- 1080p30/60 raytrayced gameplay

- 4k30/60 raster gameplay

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#7 Posted by NfamousLegend (324 posts) -

@Gatygun: you sound nervous for some reason. I never claimed anything. PC gamers are the most defensive bunch on these boards, kinda embarrassing.

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#8 Posted by X_CAPCOM_X (8530 posts) -

@Gatygun said:
@Juub1990 said:

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

Dude doesn't understand what supported resolutions means. And starts assuming.

Not hard to fool console gamers.

They honestly think they are getting a 2k PC in a 500 dollar box.

They will get a low/mid pc spec on hardware wise for 400 bucks.

Or for PC gamers, just slam a new 300 buck GPU in there and done you are.

who's saying that it supports 8k gaming? who are you guys ridiculing?

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#9 Edited by mrbojangles25 (43784 posts) -

rofl at the attempt at 8K.

Can we maybe get 4K dialed in first before jumping on the next fad? It's not like 1080p was done right, either, could always go back to doing that well. Gotta stop putting the cart before the horse.

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#10 Posted by Mandzilla (4037 posts) -

@mrbojangles25: Meh, anything above 720p is just witchcraft anyway. :P

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#11 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (6257 posts) -

@Gatygun said:
@Juub1990 said:

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

Dude doesn't understand what supported resolutions means. And starts assuming.

Not hard to fool console gamers.

They honestly think they are getting a 2k PC in a 500 dollar box.

They will get a low/mid pc spec on hardware wise for 400 bucks.

Or for PC gamers, just slam a new 300 buck GPU in there and done you are.

When you think about it the IPC gains from Zen 2 will be lost due lower frequencies so that Zen 2 8 core chip at 3.2GHz will actually no better than a Ryzen 1700 in raw gaming performance so any Ryzen 1700X/16GB RAM and a Vega 56 level GPU or higher is going to give you PS5 performance which now can be made for $800 and the PS5 isn't going to be out till late 2020 or even 2021.

The only difference is no PC gamer is going to use a Vega 56 for 4K and these console gamer's think its enough to run 8K let alone 4K/60 unless its that rare game that runs well or is designed to run at higher framerates like COD, BF or a Racing game there is little to no chance of getting 4K/60 especially if it means the developer has to lower the settings in a era where graphics sell.

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#12 Posted by SaltSlasher (1006 posts) -

I care more about what games the PS5 have, Xbox could have twice the power, but I would buy PS5 if it has the games....I have a bad feeling about PS5. Even though its the one I want.

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#13 Edited by ronvalencia (27452 posts) -

@nfamouslegend said:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumors-sony-playstation-5-399-ryzen-3600g,39141.html

We see these analysts all the time from Pachter continuously getting prediction wrong to these new guys. They say the PS5 will launch at $399 and feature the Zen 3600G. Of course it's just another prediction and at first glance it looks legit. However, after looking around there seems to be several mistakes. They claimed the 3600G was unveiled at CES which it wasn't. And while the 3600G is expected to feature 8 cores the GPU component only has 20CU with 1280 stream cores. Hardley a console capable of ray tracing and 8K graphics. Sony would need graphics 3X as fast as the rumored APU.

7nm 8 CPU core with 20 CU IGP sounds like Raven Ridge (14nm, 4 CPU cores with 11 CU IGP) replacement.

1800Mhz IGP and 20 CU lands about 4.6 TFLOPS which sounds like Xbox Scarlett's 4 TFLOPS IGP.

Xbox Scarlett is said to be Xbox One S (1.4 TFLOPS IGP) replacement.

Xbox Anaconda is said to be Xbox One X (6 TFLOPS IGP) replacement.

RX-580/590 --> RX 3080 (similar to Vega 64 + 15%)

RX-570 --> RX 3070 (similar to Vega 56) <------ PS4 Pro's parts was around RX-470 80GB/RX-570 SKU level

RX-560 --> RX 3060 (similar to RX 580)

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#14 Posted by ronvalencia (27452 posts) -

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@Gatygun said:
@Juub1990 said:

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

Dude doesn't understand what supported resolutions means. And starts assuming.

Not hard to fool console gamers.

They honestly think they are getting a 2k PC in a 500 dollar box.

They will get a low/mid pc spec on hardware wise for 400 bucks.

Or for PC gamers, just slam a new 300 buck GPU in there and done you are.

When you think about it the IPC gains from Zen 2 will be lost due lower frequencies so that Zen 2 8 core chip at 3.2GHz will actually no better than a Ryzen 1700 in raw gaming performance so any Ryzen 1700X/16GB RAM and a Vega 56 level GPU or higher is going to give you PS5 performance which now can be made for $800 and the PS5 isn't going to be out till late 2020 or even 2021.

The only difference is no PC gamer is going to use a Vega 56 for 4K and these console gamer's think its enough to run 8K let alone 4K/60 unless its that rare game that runs well or is designed to run at higher framerates like COD, BF or a Racing game there is little to no chance of getting 4K/60 especially if it means the developer has to lower the settings in a era where graphics sell.

Raven Ridge's Ryzen four core CPUs doesn't have CCX link latency penalty like Ryzen 3 1300/2300 models.

Zen v2's CCX module is based on 8 CPU cores instead of Zen v1's four CPU core CCX module.

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#15 Posted by npiet1 (2094 posts) -

@XVision84 said:

I don't believe any analyst. I also think Sony will sell at $499 because I doubt they can pull off PS5 specs at $399 unless they sell at a hefty loss. That hasn't worked out well for them in the past.

Yeah I think they will sell it here (Australia) for $650 so $499 sounds about right. Especially if it does what the rumours are. I think 8k is for movies only, they didn't say it will play games at 8k, only that it supports it.

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#16 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3050 posts) -

If AMD follows last years APU’s, we will get a 3200G and a 3400G. It also doesn’t make sense for Sony to use a APU chip as a CPU. The iGPU in the 3200G or 3400G wouldn’t be able to play next gen games at 1080p/60fps.

Again, journalist/analyst need to stop trying to talk about specs. These clicks are costing them their credibility

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#17 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -

I never once thought Sony were going to price the PS5 at $499.99 even with the current revealed specs. $399.99 is their sweet spot and if they want to come off strong next-gen they need to hit that price point. Don't forget the rumors suggest Microsoft will have two SKUs with one being a cheaper base model and the other a more expensive performance SKU.

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#18 Posted by Zero_epyon (13139 posts) -
@nfamouslegend said:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rumors-sony-playstation-5-399-ryzen-3600g,39141.html

We see these analysts all the time from Pachter continuously getting prediction wrong to these new guys. They say the PS5 will launch at $399 and feature the Zen 3600G. Of course it's just another prediction and at first glance it looks legit. However, after looking around there seems to be several mistakes. They claimed the 3600G was unveiled at CES which it wasn't. And while the 3600G is expected to feature 8 cores the GPU component only has 20CU with 1280 stream cores. Hardley a console capable of ray tracing and 8K graphics. Sony would need graphics 3X as fast as the rumored APU.

PS5 won't have 8K graphics. The system will just support 8K TVs, probably via upscaling.

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#19 Posted by Mandzilla (4037 posts) -

I'm calling it now, 599 US dollars™.

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#20 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@Gatygun said:
@Juub1990 said:

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

Dude doesn't understand what supported resolutions means. And starts assuming.

Not hard to fool console gamers.

They honestly think they are getting a 2k PC in a 500 dollar box.

They will get a low/mid pc spec on hardware wise for 400 bucks.

Or for PC gamers, just slam a new 300 buck GPU in there and done you are.

When you think about it the IPC gains from Zen 2 will be lost due lower frequencies so that Zen 2 8 core chip at 3.2GHz will actually no better than a Ryzen 1700 in raw gaming performance so any Ryzen 1700X/16GB RAM and a Vega 56 level GPU or higher is going to give you PS5 performance which now can be made for $800 and the PS5 isn't going to be out till late 2020 or even 2021.

The only difference is no PC gamer is going to use a Vega 56 for 4K and these console gamer's think its enough to run 8K let alone 4K/60 unless its that rare game that runs well or is designed to run at higher framerates like COD, BF or a Racing game there is little to no chance of getting 4K/60 especially if it means the developer has to lower the settings in a era where graphics sell.

I'd rather wait an extra year so I only have to pay $400 and be able to play Sony exclusives. Why are people still hung up about that 8K comment? Cerny never promised native 8K games, he said it technically supports it which it does. He never promised developers would actually target that resolution. Its simply an HDMI spec.

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#21 Posted by emgesp (7830 posts) -

Zen 2 is a chiplet/MCM design anyways. I'm pretty sure CPU and GPU dies will be seperate this time and not on an actual single die APU.

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#22 Posted by tormentos (28760 posts) -

@Juub1990 said:

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

That tomshardware i sure as hell don't think they believe that.

@rmpumper said:

Lol @ peasants who expect 8K60 with raytraycing. How dense do you have to be to believe bs like that. It will be as follows:

- 8K video output (even 1050Ti has 8K support)

- 1080p30/60 raytrayced gameplay

- 4k30/60 raster gameplay

I don't think anyone here has fell for that,in fact read the responses here and you will see.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

When you think about it the IPC gains from Zen 2 will be lost due lower frequencies so that Zen 2 8 core chip at 3.2GHz will actually no better than a Ryzen 1700 in raw gaming performance so any Ryzen 1700X/16GB RAM and a Vega 56 level GPU or higher is going to give you PS5 performance which now can be made for $800 and the PS5 isn't going to be out till late 2020 or even 2021.

The only difference is no PC gamer is going to use a Vega 56 for 4K and these console gamer's think its enough to run 8K let alone 4K/60 unless its that rare game that runs well or is designed to run at higher framerates like COD, BF or a Racing game there is little to no chance of getting 4K/60 especially if it means the developer has to lower the settings in a era where graphics sell.

Please point at the people who think here that the PS5 will run games at 8k..

This is damage control for something no one has claim, wow you hermits sure are an insecure bunch..lol

The are IPC improvements on ryzen 2 like cache latency improvements that would surely help even at lower frequency.

But even if there was no advantage over Ryzen 1700 damn dude that CPU run circles around the shitty jaguar inside the PS4 and xbox one and it should make for quite a boost.

Hell most PC gamers are not on vega 56 level of performance and you know it.

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#23 Posted by DaVillain- (36062 posts) -
@mandzilla said:

I'm calling it now, 599 US dollars™.

I did paid PS3 for the same price during it's launch day, so yeah, I can see myself paying $600 again...."if" PS5 has any good launch games that catches my fancy of course.

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#24 Posted by That_Old_Guy (1205 posts) -

@Gatygun: then add a $500 CPU, RAM, and all the other shit and you still can’t do 4K at 6fps on half the games and you just spent 5x what the PS5 would cost.

Grats you’re done.

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#25 Posted by Pedro (33969 posts) -

Lol at PS5 doing 8K at 60fps. Silly people.

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#26 Posted by AJStyles (739 posts) -

You guys are nuts if you don’t believe games won’t be 8K.

Sony already has Gran Turismo in 8K running on PS5 Dev Kits. It exists. It is possible.

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#27 Posted by Pedro (33969 posts) -

@tormentos: Exhibit A above me.

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#28 Edited by Grey_Eyed_Elf (6257 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@Juub1990 said:

>8K graphics

You seriously believe that?

That tomshardware i sure as hell don't think they believe that.

@rmpumper said:

Lol @ peasants who expect 8K60 with raytraycing. How dense do you have to be to believe bs like that. It will be as follows:

- 8K video output (even 1050Ti has 8K support)

- 1080p30/60 raytrayced gameplay

- 4k30/60 raster gameplay

I don't think anyone here has fell for that,in fact read the responses here and you will see.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

When you think about it the IPC gains from Zen 2 will be lost due lower frequencies so that Zen 2 8 core chip at 3.2GHz will actually no better than a Ryzen 1700 in raw gaming performance so any Ryzen 1700X/16GB RAM and a Vega 56 level GPU or higher is going to give you PS5 performance which now can be made for $800 and the PS5 isn't going to be out till late 2020 or even 2021.

The only difference is no PC gamer is going to use a Vega 56 for 4K and these console gamer's think its enough to run 8K let alone 4K/60 unless its that rare game that runs well or is designed to run at higher framerates like COD, BF or a Racing game there is little to no chance of getting 4K/60 especially if it means the developer has to lower the settings in a era where graphics sell.

Please point at the people who think here that the PS5 will run games at 8k..

This is damage control for something no one has claim, wow you hermits sure are an insecure bunch..lol

The are IPC improvements on ryzen 2 like cache latency improvements that would surely help even at lower frequency.

But even if there was no advantage over Ryzen 1700 damn dude that CPU run circles around the shitty jaguar inside the PS4 and xbox one and it should make for quite a boost.

Hell most PC gamers are not on vega 56 level of performance and you know it.

Ron... Ron does, he keeps bringing up Forza 7 running on a Vega 56 at 8K.

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#29 Posted by BoxRekt (980 posts) -

@nfamouslegend said:

@Juub1990: no I dont believe it, Cerny's words not mine. I'm sure 8K will be supported for movies and such or simple indie games.

Except those AREN'T his words!

This is a damn prediction, specualtion, in other words a guess!

These are Cerny's words:

""I believe that we will be able to release it at an SRP [suggested retail price] that will be appealing to gamers in light of its advanced feature set.""

Take note of the bold in his statement!

That is why it's not wise to expect the same launch price as the base PS4.

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#30 Posted by MosquitoBaby (77 posts) -

Honestly, Sony would be so stupid to release the PS5 at $500. Why? It's obvious console gaming is more about the GAMES than power. Sure a generational leap is good, but GAMES. I don't care about 8k right now, just bought a 4k TV. It's unnecessary this gen.

What if... hypothetical, Sony will release two different consoles? One at $400 and on at $599 US DOLLARS!

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#31 Edited by BoxRekt (980 posts) -

@mosquitobaby said:

Honestly, Sony would be so stupid to release the PS5 at $500. Why? It's obvious console gaming is more about the GAMES than power. Sure a generational leap is good, but GAMES. I don't care about 8k right now, just bought a 4k TV. It's unnecessary this gen.

What if... hypothetical, Sony will release two different consoles? One at $400 and on at $599 US DOLLARS!

The advantage Sony has over xbox this gen is that their BASE console is more powerful than the base xbox one.

Having 2 SKU's isn't an advantage it's a waste of resources and cripples development to the lowest base system. (see exclusive 4k X games like Crackdown 3)

MS doens't care about this because they have no exclusives and are simple going to develop for generic PC hardware and port their games to their xbox models.

Sony's advantage is having 1 powerful system to fully develop for that will show what developing an exclusive specifically for one specified hardware can produce.

PS5 will be 1 SKU at $499.

People who can't accept that should be prepared to go with MS's $399 Lockheart or stick with current gen games until they are ready to invest in a next gen system or the price comes down.

The Anaconda will be even more expensive at $599.

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#32 Posted by tormentos (28760 posts) -

@Pedro said:

@tormentos: Exhibit A above me.

Please that could be I_P_daily from one of its alt.

Hahahhahaa..

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#33 Posted by tormentos (28760 posts) -

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

Ron... Ron does, he keeps bringing up Forza 7 running on a Vega 56 at 8K.

Don't pay attention to Ronvalencia,he will try to use a single game that is not even impressive to hold his argument,he always does that also he is a lemming.

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#34 Posted by kuu2 (11110 posts) -

$500 is the new $400 for console prices.

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#35 Posted by Pedro (33969 posts) -

@tormentos said:

Please that could be I_P_daily from one of its alt.

Hahahhahaa..

Lets not be silly now. You know that is one of your peeps.

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#36 Posted by robert_sparkes (2932 posts) -

£399 would be a brilliant price I expect more in the range of £499.

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#37 Posted by Ant_17 (12157 posts) -

No idea what that means but I'm down for 399.

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#38 Posted by mazuiface (828 posts) -

It will not have 8k gaming. It might output 8k for streaming movies, but there is absolutely no way we will be playing console games at 4320 vertical pixels lmao.

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#39 Edited by xhawk27 (11188 posts) -

If PS5 is only $400 than expect Xbox 2 to be more powerful.

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#40 Posted by 2Chalupas (7042 posts) -

@XVision84 said:

I don't believe any analyst. I also think Sony will sell at $499 because I doubt they can pull off PS5 specs at $399 unless they sell at a hefty loss. That hasn't worked out well for them in the past.

The PS3 didn't work out because it was a crazy $600+ AND selling at a huge loss for the first several years. It wasn't even close to hitting a viable mainstream price point at it's launch (back then mainstream had to be $299 or less).

Assuming they are still targeting $399 for this console (just as PS4) and they are using off the shelf parts (rather than doing crazy R&D sunk costs like the cell processor), they are probably good so long as it's at least in the ballpark. Costs will decline rapidly so they shouldn't really focus on some arbitrary day 1 profitability, but rather what is the best balance for 5 years down the road when console starts hitting peak profitability.

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#41 Edited by JoshRMeyer (10349 posts) -

@xhawk27: I think everyone knows the next Xbox will be more powerful than ps5 since it'll more than likely release later and they have two skus, one at 4 tflops and who knows the other. It'll also be more expensive. I'm not sure where the X falls in with the 2 new models though. I'd rather have a 4 tflops gpu with a good cpu than a 6 tflop gpu and crap cpu. E3 will be interesting.

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#42 Posted by JoshRMeyer (10349 posts) -

@mazuiface: What about Indies, side scrollers, and sports games? Even racing games seem doable(I doubt it but maybe).

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#43 Posted by robert_sparkes (2932 posts) -

Sony releasing specs ms keeping quiet at the moment e3 could be a very telling reveal.

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#44 Posted by X_CAPCOM_X (8530 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

$500 is the new $400 for console prices.

I fuckin hope not.

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#45 Posted by xhawk27 (11188 posts) -

@joshrmeyer said:

@xhawk27: I think everyone knows the next Xbox will be more powerful than ps5 since it'll more than likely release later and they have two skus, one at 4 tflops and who knows the other. It'll also be more expensive. I'm not sure where the X falls in with the 2 new models though. I'd rather have a 4 tflops gpu with a good cpu than a 6 tflop gpu and crap cpu. E3 will be interesting.

It depends if Sony releases the PS5 at the end of 2020. MS is going to release both of their Consoles at the same time.

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#46 Posted by JoshRMeyer (10349 posts) -

@xhawk27: Dev kits have been out for awhile now. I actually thought it'd be released this fall, but obviously not anymore. Hoping for a spring 2020 date, not because I'll buy it then, but because I'll get it on sale holiday 2020 lol

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#47 Posted by JoshRMeyer (10349 posts) -

@robert_sparkes: Sony hasn't really released any specs yet. But I guess we have a little better idea of what it'll be.

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#48 Posted by hrt_rulz01 (18698 posts) -

I'd be more surprised if it's $399... I think $499 is more realistic.

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#49 Posted by Pedro (33969 posts) -

If dev kits are already out then the system is going to be underwhelming.

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#50 Edited by emgesp (7830 posts) -

@Pedro said:

If dev kits are already out then the system is going to be underwhelming.

This comment makes zero sense. You realize early dev kits just use target specs right? Dev Kits with the actual final silicon come much later in console dev cycle.